Should South America merge with CONCACAF?

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Should South America merge with CONCACAF?

Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

November 20th, 2006, 7:35 pm #1

Because of the number of countries in CONMEBOL (only 10), I think it may be a good idea for them to join forces with CONCACAF. It would also increase the level of play in CONCACAF and give the teams more chance to play top quality teams, and would also prevent South American teams from playing the same 9 teams, year-in year-out.
Of course, another solution would be for more teams to join CONMEBOL, such as French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Falkland Islands
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Joined: November 5th, 2006, 4:16 pm

November 25th, 2006, 3:49 am #2

I'd love the Falklands to affiliate, they're one of the most interesting non-FIFA nations IMHO. Anyway, that's a different story.
Merging both may make sense, however it could be problematic for smaller FAs (eg Bermuda, Bahamas, etc) to travel to Bolivia or Chile regularly. Also, it would force to completely restructure club tournaments like the Copa Libertadores.
The question is: does CONMEBOL want to merge anyway? With 4 World Cup slots and a play-off team, they're very well represented at the biggest tournament, while a merger includes the risk of South American teams losing out on the WC while USA, Mexico and Costa Rica could grab their spot. I doubt if S.America feels the need for a merger while local CONMEBOL members have approx 50% of qualifying for a World Cup now.
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Joined: November 5th, 2006, 10:55 am

December 3rd, 2006, 11:59 am #3

well...i agree with Gerrit...it's logic SOUTH AMERICA has the most competitive qualifiers !!!!! for me i would be able to watch three games until 05.00 in the morning without sleeping cuz the quality of football is so good !!!!! but maybe merging with concacaf will add a place or two to the AMERICAS !!! let's see

SOUTH AMERICA : 5 1/2
CONCACAF: 3 1/2

MAYBE WITh merging it will be 10 or 11 places but here SOUTH AMERICA superiority will be obvious (i'm talking about football )...and "little" teams like Montserrat or Antigua will be smashed and there will be a lot of withdrews in the next coming years
plus America joins the north himisphere and the second himsphere so it will be really hard for poor federations !!!!!
i think that keeping this system will help the caraibeean teams,but if we will merge the two sub continents i think that we will crush them !!!
thank you
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 5:58 am

December 6th, 2006, 5:07 am #4

The road to join CONMEBOL is forever closed for Falklands because of obstacle of Argentina which is easy to preview. To North America they have to far so the only way for them is possibly to make a bid for joining CAF (Africa) and maybe COSAFA at first. But I think they would rather stay in NF-Board.
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Joined: November 5th, 2006, 4:16 pm

December 7th, 2006, 6:19 am #5

I hope Falklands join someday, it's one of my favourite Non-FIFA teams. I find the isles so interesting... Well, regardless of who applies, the CONMEBOL should keep politics and sports seperated, and Argentina is not in a position that it should be able to stop other nations to compete.
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Ali
Joined: November 5th, 2006, 10:55 am

December 14th, 2006, 2:05 pm #6

hahaha very funny !!!!
you look so silly who ever you are "guest or bamboochka !!!"...this is a football forum not a reality tv !!!!!
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

July 6th, 2016, 5:54 pm #7

http://revistauncanio.com.ar/picado/la- ... on-kelper/

2005 - Easter Island 5-0 Falkland Islands (apparently!)

On Wikipedia, the scoreline is reversed, and the match is listed as being played on 07/11/2012!
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C ... _de_Pascua
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

July 6th, 2016, 6:55 pm #8

Sounds like a wikipedia invention which has been absorbed and/or garbled.
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

July 27th, 2017, 11:12 am #9

Not actual merger, but apparently talks are continuing to try and get another Pan-American Copa organised. Montagliani kept it fairly vague so hopefully they still mean this tournament to be an addition to the schedule rather than replacing something...
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

July 27th, 2017, 2:11 pm #10

mattsanger92 wrote: Not actual merger, but apparently talks are continuing to try and get another Pan-American Copa organised. Montagliani kept it fairly vague so hopefully they still mean this tournament to be an addition to the schedule rather than replacing something...
A 4 year Panamerica Copa could replace the Copa America and the Gold cup....it will be of greater interest and prevent the same teams always playing each other...and there could be real qualifiying tourraments
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

July 27th, 2017, 5:52 pm #11

I think every confederation should have their own tournament, if a Centenario-style one happens it should only be as an addition similar to 2016.

I doubt the South American nations would be pleased at giving up their guaranteed spaces, and even if they all took part in qualifying and all failed, the North American nations would still find it harder by numbers to reach a finals than they currently do.
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Joined: August 15th, 2013, 1:00 am

January 13th, 2018, 11:05 am #12

In the ideal world, Brazil and Argentina must not clash often with Anguilla or Turks and Caicos, like Mexico and USA don't.

I liked the Copa América Centenario (and now 2019, and possibly later, Copa América) 16-teams format for a continental cup (I, like most of South Americans, am culturally inclined to see America as one continent, not two). A 24-teams cup, like the new Euro, is not so interesting both logistically and sportively speaking, but possibly viable.

I estimated that FIFA would give 12 WC spots (from 48) to a Pan-American confederation. For the qualifier, though, a 24-teams format (3 groups of 8, or 4 groups of 6) shines. The odds of all 10 South American teams qualifying, though, is not so absurd.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 13th, 2018, 11:34 am #13

It is certainly a convenient union for CONCACAF and CONMEBOL to join up for the continental championships.  Neither has enough competitive teams on its own to make up a typical tournament format (with group stages then KO) without using big guests of the other.

Remaining separate is also convenient for World Cup purposes, as your last sentence highlights.  However, that then leaves CONCACAF with the responsibility of handling all the minnows in the American continent, even those in South America (Guyana etc). 

Both confederations' membership is more suitable for a competitive "nations league structure."  This is done sucessfully in the World Cup quals, with the South American 10-team league, and the CONCACAF "Hex."   So it will be interesting to see how the new CONCACAF nations structure works out.
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

March 16th, 2018, 5:37 pm #14

A worrying suggestion at the end of this article, claiming the 2019 Copa America could be the last and it's only Centenario-style Pan-American tournaments (starting in 2020 with 20 teams, and naturally 🇺🇸-hosted) from then on out.

Hopefully just got lost in translation somwhere and it'll still only be additional to what already exists (which includes the Copa America after next that got announced as being moved back a year in addition to the Copa PanAmerica)...
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 16th, 2018, 5:55 pm #15

It does seem overkill to have both.  Perhaps they can alternate, e.g. every 4 years Copa América (CONMEBOL only, with a couple of guests maybe), and CONCACAF only, and then in the other even years, the combined tournament.
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March 16th, 2018, 6:47 pm #16

nfm24 wrote:It does seem overkill to have both.  Perhaps they can alternate, e.g. every 4 years Copa América (CONMEBOL only, with a couple of guests maybe), and CONCACAF only, and then in the other even years, the combined tournament.
But then they'd only be getting that sweet sweet 💵 once every 8 years when USA inevitably hosts...

In all seriousness though it's worrying that they'd even consider taking a tournament that's over a century old (as was the loose reasoning for playing a spin-off in America in the first place) and casually throwing it under the bus to die like this... not to mention the atmosphere that could only come from one of their own 10 members hosting... overkill's a better option than actual kill at the very least.
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Joined: August 15th, 2013, 1:00 am

March 16th, 2018, 7:15 pm #17

mattsanger92 wrote: A worrying suggestion at the end of this article, claiming the 2019 Copa America could be the last and it's only Centenario-style Pan-American tournaments (starting in 2020 with 20 teams, and naturally 🇺🇸-hosted) from then on out.

Hopefully just got lost in translation somwhere and it'll still only be additional to what already exists (which includes the Copa America after next that got announced as being moved back a year in addition to the Copa PanAmerica)...
As a native Portuguese speaker, I can say: no, you're not lost in translation.

According to news report, Brazil 2019 will be the last Copa America in current format. After that, it'll be played every four years, on the same time of the Euros. However, it implies that, although the first competition will be hosted in USA, it won't always be the case.

Some Ecuadorian news outlets make believe that 2024 competition will still be there (the country was previously scheduled to host 2023 edition, still with 16 teams), but no confirmations.
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