Should South America merge with CONCACAF?

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Should South America merge with CONCACAF?

Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

21 Nov 2006, 00:35 #1

Because of the number of countries in CONMEBOL (only 10), I think it may be a good idea for them to join forces with CONCACAF. It would also increase the level of play in CONCACAF and give the teams more chance to play top quality teams, and would also prevent South American teams from playing the same 9 teams, year-in year-out.
Of course, another solution would be for more teams to join CONMEBOL, such as French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Falkland Islands
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006, 21:16

25 Nov 2006, 08:49 #2

I'd love the Falklands to affiliate, they're one of the most interesting non-FIFA nations IMHO. Anyway, that's a different story.
Merging both may make sense, however it could be problematic for smaller FAs (eg Bermuda, Bahamas, etc) to travel to Bolivia or Chile regularly. Also, it would force to completely restructure club tournaments like the Copa Libertadores.
The question is: does CONMEBOL want to merge anyway? With 4 World Cup slots and a play-off team, they're very well represented at the biggest tournament, while a merger includes the risk of South American teams losing out on the WC while USA, Mexico and Costa Rica could grab their spot. I doubt if S.America feels the need for a merger while local CONMEBOL members have approx 50% of qualifying for a World Cup now.
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Ali
Joined: 05 Nov 2006, 15:55

03 Dec 2006, 16:59 #3

well...i agree with Gerrit...it's logic SOUTH AMERICA has the most competitive qualifiers !!!!! for me i would be able to watch three games until 05.00 in the morning without sleeping cuz the quality of football is so good !!!!! but maybe merging with concacaf will add a place or two to the AMERICAS !!! let's see

SOUTH AMERICA : 5 1/2
CONCACAF: 3 1/2

MAYBE WITh merging it will be 10 or 11 places but here SOUTH AMERICA superiority will be obvious (i'm talking about football )...and "little" teams like Montserrat or Antigua will be smashed and there will be a lot of withdrews in the next coming years
plus America joins the north himisphere and the second himsphere so it will be really hard for poor federations !!!!!
i think that keeping this system will help the caraibeean teams,but if we will merge the two sub continents i think that we will crush them !!!
thank you
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Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 10:58

06 Dec 2006, 10:07 #4

The road to join CONMEBOL is forever closed for Falklands because of obstacle of Argentina which is easy to preview. To North America they have to far so the only way for them is possibly to make a bid for joining CAF (Africa) and maybe COSAFA at first. But I think they would rather stay in NF-Board.
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006, 21:16

07 Dec 2006, 11:19 #5

I hope Falklands join someday, it's one of my favourite Non-FIFA teams. I find the isles so interesting... Well, regardless of who applies, the CONMEBOL should keep politics and sports seperated, and Argentina is not in a position that it should be able to stop other nations to compete.
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Ali
Joined: 05 Nov 2006, 15:55

14 Dec 2006, 19:05 #6

hahaha very funny !!!!
you look so silly who ever you are "guest or bamboochka !!!"...this is a football forum not a reality tv !!!!!
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Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

06 Jul 2016, 21:54 #7

http://revistauncanio.com.ar/picado/la- ... on-kelper/

2005 - Easter Island 5-0 Falkland Islands (apparently!)

On Wikipedia, the scoreline is reversed, and the match is listed as being played on 07/11/2012!
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selecci%C ... _de_Pascua
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Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

06 Jul 2016, 22:55 #8

Sounds like a wikipedia invention which has been absorbed and/or garbled.
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Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

27 Jul 2017, 15:12 #9

Not actual merger, but apparently talks are continuing to try and get another Pan-American Copa organised. Montagliani kept it fairly vague so hopefully they still mean this tournament to be an addition to the schedule rather than replacing something...
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Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

27 Jul 2017, 18:11 #10

mattsanger92 wrote: Not actual merger, but apparently talks are continuing to try and get another Pan-American Copa organised. Montagliani kept it fairly vague so hopefully they still mean this tournament to be an addition to the schedule rather than replacing something...
A 4 year Panamerica Copa could replace the Copa America and the Gold cup....it will be of greater interest and prevent the same teams always playing each other...and there could be real qualifiying tourraments
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Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

27 Jul 2017, 21:52 #11

I think every confederation should have their own tournament, if a Centenario-style one happens it should only be as an addition similar to 2016.

I doubt the South American nations would be pleased at giving up their guaranteed spaces, and even if they all took part in qualifying and all failed, the North American nations would still find it harder by numbers to reach a finals than they currently do.
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Joined: 15 Aug 2013, 05:00

13 Jan 2018, 16:05 #12

In the ideal world, Brazil and Argentina must not clash often with Anguilla or Turks and Caicos, like Mexico and USA don't.

I liked the Copa América Centenario (and now 2019, and possibly later, Copa América) 16-teams format for a continental cup (I, like most of South Americans, am culturally inclined to see America as one continent, not two). A 24-teams cup, like the new Euro, is not so interesting both logistically and sportively speaking, but possibly viable.

I estimated that FIFA would give 12 WC spots (from 48) to a Pan-American confederation. For the qualifier, though, a 24-teams format (3 groups of 8, or 4 groups of 6) shines. The odds of all 10 South American teams qualifying, though, is not so absurd.
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Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Jan 2018, 16:34 #13

It is certainly a convenient union for CONCACAF and CONMEBOL to join up for the continental championships.  Neither has enough competitive teams on its own to make up a typical tournament format (with group stages then KO) without using big guests of the other.

Remaining separate is also convenient for World Cup purposes, as your last sentence highlights.  However, that then leaves CONCACAF with the responsibility of handling all the minnows in the American continent, even those in South America (Guyana etc). 

Both confederations' membership is more suitable for a competitive "nations league structure."  This is done sucessfully in the World Cup quals, with the South American 10-team league, and the CONCACAF "Hex."   So it will be interesting to see how the new CONCACAF nations structure works out.
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