Olympic Qualifies Tokio 1964

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Olympic Qualifies Tokio 1964

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05 Dec 2017, 17:20 #1

I am looking for results from this qualifies and below an information which I found. If anyone has got more details please not hesitate to write.

EUROPE

Group 1
Preliminary Round
02-06-63 Albania – Bulgaria 0:1 [at Tiranë]
[Panteley Dimitrov 31’]
16-06-63 Bulgaria – Albania 1:0 [at Sofiya]
[Nikola Kotkov 30’]
First Round
Bulgaria w/o Luxembourg (withdrew) (reason of withdrew?)
23.06.63 Denmark – Romania 2:3 [at København]
[Palle Bruun 17’, Henning Enoksen 59’ pen / Gheorghe Constantin 5’, Cicerone Manolache 52’ 75’]
03.11.63 Romania – Denmark 2:3 [at București]
[Emil Petru 35’ 80’ / Kjeld Thorst 1’ 9’, Carl Bertelsen 17’]
28.11.63 Denmark – Romania 1:2 [Playoff at Torino] [AET]
[Kjeld Thorst 84’ / Carol Creiniceanu 36’, Mircea Sasu 117’]
Second Round
23.08.64 Romania – Bulgaria 2:1 [at București]
[Gheorghe Constantin 50’ 84’ pen / Nikola Kotkov 87’]
31.05.64 Bulgaria – Romania 0:1 [at Sofiya]
[Constantin Koszka 71’]
Romania qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 2
First Round
04.05.63 Hungary – Sweden 4:0 [at Budapest]
[Károly Palotai 58’, Ferenc Bene 84’ 86’, László Povázsai 85’]
7.10.63 Sweden – Hungary 2:2 [at Göteborg]
[Tord Grip 9’, Harry Bild 16’ / Antal Dunai 18’, Mihály Laczkó 26’]
09.10.63 Switzerland – Spain 0:1 [at Lugano]
 [Ramón Montesinos 10’]
06.11.63 Spain – Switzerland 6:0 [at Palma de Mallorca]
[Rafael Echarri 12’ 41’, Luis Vidal 36’ 49’, Manuel Velázquez 47’, Fidel Uriarte 80’]
Second Round
29.04.64 Spain – Hungary 1:2 [at Palma de Mallorca]
[Manuel Velázquez 66’ / Ferenc Bene 12’ 78’]
06.05.64 Hungary – Spain 3:0 [at Budapest]
[Ferenc Bene 2’ 55’, Károly Palotai 43’]
Hungary qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 3
Preliminary Round
15.09.63 East Germany – West Germany 3:0 [at Karl-Marx-Stadt (Chemnitz)]
[Heino Kleiminger 25’, Hermann Stöcker 31’, Jürgen Nöldner 54’]
22.09.63 West Germany – East Germany 2:1 [at Hannover]
[Dieter Zettelmaier 47’ 59’ / Hermann Stöcker 20’]
First Round
22.07.63 Soviet Union – Finland 7:0 [at Kiev]
[Viktor Serebryanikov 16’ 46’, Boris Kazakov 27’ 39’, Andrei Biba 38’, Gennadi Matveyev 61’ pen 89’]
01.08.63 Finland – Soviet Union [at Helsinki]
[Viktor Serebryanikov 23’, Andrei Biba 25’ Boris Kazakov 48’, Gennadi Matveyev 75’]
15.03.64 or 14.04.64 Netherlands – East Germany 0:1 [at Den Haag]
[Otto Fräßdorf 12’]
28.03.64 or 28.04.64 East Germany – Netherlands 3:1 [at Rostock]
[Henning Frenzel 11’, Hermann Stöcker 15’, Otto Fräßdorf 27’ / Jan Mulder 3’]
Second Round
31.05.64 East Germany – Soviet Union 1:1 [at Leipzig]
[Henning Frenzel 11’ / Yu Sevidov 89’]
07.06.64 Soviet Union – East Germany 1:1 [at Moscov]
[Oleg Kopayev 15’ / Heino Kleiminger 62’]
28.06.64 East Germany – Soviet Union 4:1 [playoff at Warszawa]
[Heino Kleiminger 16’, Klaus Urbanczyk 40’ Eberhard Vogel 81’, Otto Fräßdorf 85’ / Viktor Serebryanikov 54’]
East Germany qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 4
First Round
20.11.63 Turkey – Italy 2:2 [at Ankara]
[Kemal, Elmastasoglu Ayfer / Luigi Giannini, Giuseppe Tamborini]
11.03.64 Italy – Turkey 7:1 [at Bergamo]
[Giuliano Fortunato, Angelo Domenghini, Sandro Mazzola x2, Giovanni Lodetti, Bruno Petroni x2 / Turan]
BYE: Poland
Second Round
18.06.64 Italy – Poland 3:0 [at Roma]
[Sandro Mazzola 39’, Giancarlo De Sisti 68’ Bruno Petroni 85’]
25.06.64 Poland – Itly 0:1 [at Poznań]
[Domenghini 7’]
Italy qualifies for final tournament in Tokyo. Later disqualified for using professional players. Poland were offered to take Italy’s place but declined the offer.

Group 5
07.09.63 Iceland – Great Britain 0:6 [at Reykjavik]
[B. Harvey, B. Martin x2, M. Candey, Hugh Lindsay x2]
14.09.63 Great Britain – Iceland 4:0 [at London]
[T Lawrence x3 (one of them pen), B. Harvey]
28.09.63 Czechoslovakia – France 4:0 [at Plzen]
[Josef Pisa, Štefan Matlák, Karel Nepomucký, Jan Brumovský] čáéŠí
27.10.63 France – Czchoslovakia 2:4 [at Poitiers]
[?, ? / Vladimír Kos, Ján Galeta, Vojtéch Masný x2]
12.02.64 Great Britain – Greece 2:1 [at London]
[T. Lawrence 31’, Peter Buchanan 37’/ Dimitris „Mimis” Papaioanou 49’]
08.04.64 Greece – Great Britain 4:1 [at Piraeus]
[Efstahios Mavridis 3’, Dimitris „Mimis” Papaioanou 75’ 84’, Aristides Papazoglou 82’ pen, / Peter Buchanan 72’]

SOUTH AMERICA
GROUP STAGE
07.05.64 Peru – Ecuador 1:1 [at Lima]
[Víctor Lobatón 65’ / Simón Rangel 28’]
08.05.64 Argentina – Colombia 2:0 [at Lima]
[José Malleo 50’ 75’]
08.05.64 Chile – Uruguay 0:0 [at Lima]
10.05.64 Peru – Colombia 3:0 [at Lima]
[Inocencio La Rosa 5’ 24’ 47’]
11.05.64 Argentina – Ecuador 1:0 [at Lima]
[Ricardo Peréz 10’]
11.05.64 Brasil – Chile 2:0 [at Lima]
[Valentim Othon 23’, Ivo Soares 63’]
14.05.64 Ecuador – Uruguay 1:1 [at Lima]
[Felipe Landazuri 37’ / Raul Avellaneda 23’]
14.05.64 Brasil – Colombia 1:1 [at Lima]
[Nelio dos Antos Pereira 63’ / Efrain Padilla 70’]
16.05.64 Argentina – Chilr 4:0 [at Lima]
[Jose Malleo 6’, Nestor Manfredi 55’, Carlos Bulla 57’ 67’]
17.05.64 Peru – Uruguay 2:0 [at Lima]
[Enrique Casaretto 20’, Hector Chumpitaz 74’]
18.05.64 Chile – Colombia 2:0 [at Lima]
[Daniel Tabillo 37’, Juan Torres 56’]
18.05.64 Brasil – Ecuador 3:1 [at Lima]
[Jose Roberto Marques Ze Roberto 60’, Ivo Soares 70’, Nelio dos Antos Pereira 76’ / Kleber Ordonez 58’]
20.05.64 Colombia – Ecuador 4:1 [at Lima]
[Daniel Caicedo 11’ 68’, Julio Caro 24’, Hugo Varela 82’ / Alvarado 53’]
20.05.64 Argentina – Uruguay 3:1 [at Lima]
[Carlos Bulla 18’ 75’ 77’ / Milton Viera 87’]
23.05.64 Colombia – Uruguay 1:1 [at Lima]
[Dagoberto Guerrero 27’ / Luis Fontora 78’]
24.05.64 Peru – Argentina 0:1 [at Lima] [abandoned at 83’ or 85’]
[Nestor Manfredi 60’]
Match abandoned - after a goal by Peru was disallowed, two people tried to attack the referee; the police threw gas to contain disturbances but 328 people died in the ensuing panic. After this tragedy tournament interrupted.
 
Matches:
26.05.64 Chile – Ecuador n/p
26.05.64 Brasil – Urugauay n/p
28.05.64 Argentina – Brsil n/p
28.05.64 Peru – Chile n/p
31.05.64 Peru – Brasil n/p
 
1. ARGENTINA  5  5 0 0 11- 1  10
2. Brazil     3  2 1 0  6- 2   5
3. Peru       4  2 1 1  6- 2   5
4. Colombia   6  1 2 3  6-10   4
5. Uruguay    5  0 3 2  3- 7   3
6. Chile      4  1 1 2  2- 6   3
7. Ecuador    5  0 2 3  4-10   2
 
Argentina qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.
Additional playoff for second place (because Brasil and Peru has got the same points):
07.06.64 Brasil – Peru 4:0 [at Rio de Janeiro]
[Roberto Miranda 20’, Jose Roberto Marques Ze Roberto 30, Evaldo 45’ 84’]
Brasil qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

NORTH AND CENTRAL AMERICA
Preliminary Round
02.02.64 or 02.06.63 or 04.08.63 Dutch Antilles – Suriname 2:1 [at Willemstad]
[?, ? / ?]
09.02.64 or 16.06.63 or 13.10.63 Suriname – Dutch Antilles 3:0 [at Paramaribo]
[?, ?, ?]
Final Stage
16.03.64 Mexico – Panama 5:1 [at Mexico City]
[?, ?, ?, ?, ? / ?]
16.03.64 Suriname – United States 1:0 [at Mexico City]
[?]
18.03.64 Mexico – Suriname 6:0 [at Mexico City]
[Carlos Hose Gutierrez Padilla, Roberto Escalante (Memo?) Vazquez, Jose Luis Gonzalez, Javier Gonzalo Fragoso Martinez, ?]
18.03.64 United States – Panama 4:2 [at Mexico City]
[Wolfgang Wostl, Carl Gentile x3 / ?, ?]
20.03.64 Mexico – United States 2:1 [at Mexico City]
[Roberto Escalante (Memo?) Vazquez, ? / Carl Gentile]
20.03.64 Suriname – Panama 6:1 [at Mexico City]

1. MEXICO     3  3 0 0  13- 2  6
2. Surinam    3  2 0 1   7- 7  4
3. USA        3  1 0 2   5- 5  2
4. Panama     3  0 0 3   4-15  0
 
Mexico qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

AFRICA

Group 1
First Round
09.10.63 Uganda – UAR (Egypt) 1:4 [at Kampala]
[John Bunyenyezi / Shehta? x4]
15.01.64 Egypt – Uganda 3:1 [at ?]
[Badawi Abdel Fattah 2’ 40’, Hassan El-Shazly 29’ / ?]
Sudan – Rhodesia w/o
Second Round
27.03.64 Egypt – Sudan 4:1 [at ?]
[Taha Ismail 6’, Farouk El-Sayed 23’ 66’, Hassan El-Shazly 69’ / ?]
17.04.64 Sudan – Egypt 3:3 [at ?]
[?, ?, ? / Mohamed Shahin 4’, Hassan El-Shazly 13’, Mahmoud Hassan 49’]
Egypt qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 2
First Round
17.11.63 Dahomey – Tunisia 2:2 [at ?]
[Corea 60’ 63’ / Sassi 25’ 35’]
18.03.64 Tunisia – Dahomey 1:1 [at ?]
[Jedidi 37’ / Rahimi 49’]
18.04.64 Tunisia – Dahomey 1:1 [playoff at Casablanca] [AET, Tunisia won the coin toss]
[Jedidi 70’ / Corea 57’]
18.01.64 Liberia – Ghana 4:5 [at ?]
[Brown, ?, ?, ? / Acquah x2, ?, ?, ?]
02.02.64 Ghana – Liberia 1:0[at ?]
[?]
Second Round
31.05.64 Ghana – Tunisia 2:0 [at ?]
[Mfum 44’, Kofi 88’]
21.06.64 Tunisia – Ghana 2:1 [at ?]
[Jedidi 12’ Ben Othman 87’ / Salisu 57’]
Tunisia qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 3
First Round
12.10.63 Kenya – Ethiopia 4:3 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ? / ?, ?, ?]
13.11.63 Ethiopia – Kenya 7:1 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? / ?]
16.11.63 Nigeria – Morocco 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]
08.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 4:1 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ? / ?]
24.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 2:1 [playoff at Cairo]
[?, ? / ?]
Second Round
10.05.64 Ethiopia – Morocco 0:1 [at ?]
[Bendayane 80’]
24.05.64 Morocco – Ethiopia 1:0 [at ?]
[?]
Morocco qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

ASIA

Group 1
Preliminary Round
27.11.63 South Korea – Taiwan 2:1 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?]
07.12.63 Taiwan – South Korea 1:0 [at ?]
[?]
xx.xx.xx South Korea – Taiwan w/o [playoff, Taiwan withdrew]
First Round
South Korea – Philippines w/o (Philippines withdrew)
29.12.63 South Vietnam – Israel 0:1 [at Ho Chi Minh]
[Roby Young 20’]
17.03.64 Israel – South Vietnam 0:2 [at Ramat Gan]
[Nguyen Van Quang 27’, Nguyen Van Ngon 41’]
Second Round
30.05.64 South Korea – South Vietnam 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]
28.06.64 South Vietnam – South Korea 2:2 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?, ?]
South Korea qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.

Group 2
Preliminary Round
xx.xx.63 Malaysia – Thailand 1:1 [at ?]
[? / ?]
xx.xx.63 Thailand – Malaysia 3:2 [at ?]
[?, ?, ? / ?, ?]
First Round
22.02.64 Burma – North Korea 0:0 [at ?]
27.03.64 North Korea – Burma 1:0 [at ?]
[?]
Thailand – Indonesia w/o
Second Round
31.05.64 Thailand – North Korea 0:2 [at ?]
[?, ?]
28.06.64 North Korea – Thailand 5:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ? ,?]
North Korea qualify for final tournament in Tokyo (later withdrew before tournament)

Group 3
Preliminary Round
02.10.63 Iran – Pakistan 4:1 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ? / ?]
01.11.63 Pakistan – Iran 1:0 [at ?]
[?]
27.11.63 Ceylon – India 3:5 [at ?]
[?, ?, ? / ?, ?, ?, ?, ?]
07.12.63 India – Ceylon 7:1 or 7:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ? / ?]
First Round
12.12.63 Iran – Iraq 4:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ?]
02.01.64 Iraq – Iran 0:0 [at ?]
India – Lebanon w/o
Second Round
07.06.64 Iran – India 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]
21.06.64 India – Iran 1:3 [at ?]
[? / ?, ?, ?]
Iran qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.
 
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05 Dec 2017, 17:25 #2

After matches Ghana - Tunisia, Ghana qualify to the final tournament. My fault
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05 Dec 2017, 20:42 #3

It was Southern Rhodesia which withdrew.
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06 Dec 2017, 10:05 #4

dynablaster wrote:29.12.63 South Vietnam – Israel 0:1 [at Ho Chi Minh]
oops
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06 Dec 2017, 10:49 #5

nfm24 wrote:
dynablaster wrote:29.12.63 South Vietnam – Israel 0:1 [at Ho Chi Minh]
oops
😱
[at Saigon] Another mistake. Sorry for that.
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06 Dec 2017, 14:16 #6

14.03.64 Netherlands – East Germany 0:1
28.03.64 East Germany – Netherlands 3:1

04.08.63 Dutch Antilles – Suriname 2:1 [at Willemstad]
[Alberts, Sillie (one of them pen) / Waoson]
13.10.63 Suriname – Dutch Antilles 3:0 [at Paramaribo]
[29' Harold Brammerloo, 44' Siegfried Haltman, ~75' Siegfried Haltman]

16.03.64 Suriname – United States 1:0 [at Mexico City]
[62' Kenneth Kluivert]
Note: Kenneth Kluivert is the father of Patrick Kluivert, former player of the Dutch national team for which he scored 40 times.
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07 Dec 2017, 14:32 #7

Thanks for all of this information. Can anyone know correct result of match India-Ceylon? 7:0 or 7:1?
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07 Dec 2017, 16:49 #8

dynablaster wrote: Thanks for all of this information. Can anyone know correct result of match India-Ceylon? 7:0 or 7:1?
07.12.1963  Bangalore  India - Ceylon 7-0
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07 Dec 2017, 20:51 #9

03.05.1964  (not 23.08.1964) Bucuresti Romania - Bulgaria 2-1
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07 Dec 2017, 21:05 #10

27.10.1963 (not 7.10.1963) Goteborg Sweden - Hungary 2-2
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07 Dec 2017, 21:15 #11

08.03.1964 (not 18.03.1964) Tunis Tunisia - Dahomey 1-1
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07 Dec 2017, 21:20 #12

27.11.1963 Kuala Lumpur  Malaysia - Thailand  1-1
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08 Dec 2017, 21:37 #13

Giampaolo wrote:
dynablaster wrote:Thanks for all of this information. Can anyone know correct result of match India-Ceylon? 7:0 or 7:1?
07.12.1963  Bangalore  India - Ceylon 7-0
7-0 is right, Bangalore is right, but the date is wrong.   It was 29th December.
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08 Dec 2017, 21:45 #14

Giampaolo wrote: 27.11.1963 Kuala Lumpur  Malaysia - Thailand  1-1
This date is also wrong.  It was 12th October.
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08 Dec 2017, 23:10 #15

Do you know also the date of the return match Thailand - Malaysia 3-2 in Bangkok?
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09 Dec 2017, 01:44 #16

16 Nov.
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09 Dec 2017, 13:52 #17

Coming back to the first post.
I have the following:
22.03.1964 (not 22.02) Rangoon     Burma - North Korea    0-0
02.04.1964 (not 27.03) Pyongyang  North Korea - Burma   1-0
06.06.1964 (not 07.06) Teheran       Iran - India                   3-0
19.06.1964 (not 21.06) Calcutta       India - Iran                   1-3      
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09 Dec 2017, 17:20 #18

What source are you using?  It may be time to dispose of it, since the four dates are all wrong.
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10 Dec 2017, 07:57 #19

I don't remember the Source.
But I just gave a look to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_ ... lification
and read:
22.03.1963 Burma - North Korea    0-0
02.04.1963 North Korea - Burma   1-0
31.05.1964 Iran - India                   3-0
28.06.1964 India - Iran                   1-3
No Venues (cities) are reported.  
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10 Dec 2017, 10:52 #20

I can't help further. I can just cite the official players' eligibility criteria for the 1964 Olympic Football Tournament according to what the FIFA's circulars stated at that time. The rule was very intricate:

Only amateurs could take part in the competition, while professionals were excluded. But all those players who had taken part in the preliminary or final matches of the 1962 World Cup, were excluded. This last particular qualification clause was not applicable to the representative amateur teams from the national associations of Africa and Asia.
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10 Dec 2017, 14:35 #21

Luca, what about North/Central America and Caribbean?
If I'm not wrong, the long discussion, in another topic, about eligibility for the Olympic Football Tnmt, reached the conclusion that, in 1964 (and in subsequent OG editions, till 1980), also CONCACAF, together with AFC and CAF, was excluded from the World Cup's restriction-clause.     
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10 Dec 2017, 14:44 #22

I just wonder how so many wrong dates can exist, and why so many apparently random guesses have been made over the years by authors of various "sources".   If the date is unknown, leave it blank. 

Correct dates (confirmed in newspapers from relevant countries):
22-Feb-64 Rangoon, Burma 0-0 North Korea  [Aung San Stadium]
22-Mar-64 Pyongyang, North Korea 1-0 Burma [Moranbong Stadium]
 7-Jun-64 Tehran, Iran 3-0 India  [Amjadieh Stadium]
21-Jun-64 Calcutta, India 1-3 Iran   [Rabindra Sarobar Stadium]


As for the rest of the qualifiers, I don't want to do a thorough study now (hence why I am only correcting errors here) but I expect that I have most of the necessary info, so I will try to compile something in the next few weeks.
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11 Dec 2017, 19:41 #23

Giampaolo wrote: Luca, what about North/Central America and Caribbean?
If I'm not wrong, the long discussion, in another topic, about eligibility for the Olympic Football Tnmt, reached the conclusion that, in 1964 (and in subsequent OG editions, till 1980), also CONCACAF, together with AFC and CAF, was excluded from the World Cup's restriction-clause.     
As regards the 1964 Olympic Games, CONCACAF teams surely didn't field their World Cup players, as ordered by the regulations.

As regards the 1968 Olympic Games, the eligibility criteria were even more intricate. FIFA's circulars officially stated: "in general, players who have taken part in the 1966 World Cup (preliminary and final competition) will not be eligible but National Associations who wish to nominate players who did participate will be expected to certify their amateur status". So World Cup players were not officially barred: they could be fielded only if they had the amateur status. Some communist countries used to employ some of them, because, according to their principles, footballers were amateurs. As to CONCACAF countries, they could field their World Cup players provided they were amateurs. Mexico didn't call them up. I didn't check the other Caribbean and Central American countries. If they still had an amateur league, they could surely use their World Cup players, otherwise they could not.

As regards the 1972 and 1976 editions, World Cup players could be fielded if they were amateurs. Communist states fielded a lot of them.

As regards the 1980 Olympics, only amateur footballers could be employed, with an additional rule: European and South American footballers who had already competed in the 1978 World Cup matches (qualifiers and final phase in Argentina) were excluded. Obviously CONCACAF coaches could call up their World Cup players if they were amateurs. If a European or a South American country wished to employ an amateur who had taken part in the 1974 World Cup matches, they could, because the rule stated 1978 World Cup.
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04 Jan 2018, 21:00 #24

EUROPE

28.09.63 Czechoslovakia – France 4:0 [at Plzen]
Goals: Jan Brumovský 35, Štefan Matlák 41 penalty, Karel Nepomucký 46, Josef Píša 77  

27.10.63 France – Czechoslovakia 2:4 [at Poitiers]
Goals: Planchet 25, 71 / Vojtech Masný 31, 52, Vladimír Kos 58, Ján Geleta 81 

ASIA

Iran – Pakistan 4:1 
Goals: Behzadi (2), Mehrab Shahrokhi, Shirzadegan / ?

Ceylon           3-5 India
Goals: M.Aluwiere (2), Sirisena / Appalaraju (3), Mohammed Yousuf Khan (2)

India – Ceylon 7:0 
Goals: Sukumar Samajapati, Inder Singh, Appalaraju (3), Sarmad Khan (2)

Iran – Iraq 4:0
Goals: Shirzadegan (3), Arab

Iran – India 3:0 
Goals: Shirzadegan, Behzadi, Barmaki

India – Iran 1:3 
Goals: Chuni Goswami / Shirzadegan (2), Behzadi

NORTH AND CENTRAL AMERICA

16.03.1964 Mexico           5-1 Panama
Goals: 1-0 Ayala, 2-0 Roberto “Púas” Escalante Vázquez, 3-0 Ayala, 4-0 Roberto “Púas” Escalante Vázquez, 4-1 Ernesto "Cascarita" Tapia, 5-1 Padilla

16.03.1964 Surinam          1-0 USA
Goal: Kenneth Kluivert 62 – from AMIGOE DI CURACAO 

18.03.1964 Mexico           6-0 Surinam
Goals: 1-0 Padilla (2), 2-0 Padilla (5), 3-0 Memo Vazquez (7), 4-0 Javier Gonzalo Fragoso Rodríguez (21), 5-0 Javier Gonzalo Fragoso Rodríguez (24), 6-0 José Luis Guerrero González Davila (31)

18.03.1964 USA              4-2 Panama
Goals: Wolfgang Wostl, Carl Gentile (3) / Ernesto "Cascarita" Tapia, Percival Piggott

20.03.1964 Mexico           2-1 USA 
Goals: 1-0 Memo Vazquez (4), 1-1 Carl Gentile (56), 2-1 Padilla (59)

20.03.1964 Surinam          6-1 Panama 
Goals: 1-0 Kenneth Kluivert (17), 2-0 Siegfried Haltman (21), 2-1 De Gracia (34), 3-1 Reumel (39), 4-1 Bill Waterval (48), 5-1 Siegfried Haltman (78), 6-1 Reumel (85)

This information from:


http://www.teammelli.com/AllMatches.htm
https://www.the-aiff.com/uploaded_files ... 209660.pdf
http://www.indianfootball.de/specials/i ... mpics.html
RUDÉ PRÁVO
EL INFORMADOR 
AMIGOE DI CURACAO

 
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04 Jan 2018, 22:12 #25

Antikov wrote:ASIA
Iran – Pakistan 4:1 
Goals: Behzadi (2), Mehrab Shahrokhi, Shirzadegan / ?
Pakistan scorer Abbas Ali.

18.03.1964 Mexico           6-0 Surinam
Goals: 1-0 Padilla (2), 2-0 Padilla (5), 3-0 Memo Vazquez (7), 4-0 Javier Gonzalo Fragoso Rodríguez (21), 5-0 Javier Gonzalo Fragoso Rodríguez (24), 6-0 José Luis Guerrero González Davila (31)
These goals were all in the second half (47 50 52 66 69 76).  Halftime 0-0.


18.03.1964 USA              4-2 Panama
Goals: Wolfgang Wostl, Carl Gentile (3) / Ernesto "Cascarita" Tapia, Percival Piggott
According to the "St Louis Post-Dispatch" (which sent a reporter along with the team to Mexico), the scorers were:
Dick Schweinert 52', Wolfgang Wostl ~65', Carl Gentile 72' 83' / Adolfo Díaz ~40', Cirilo Sánchez 60'
 
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04 Jan 2018, 22:30 #26

Help please.
Pakistan – Iran 1:0
What player scored goal?

Open please:

27.11.63 South Korea – Taiwan 2:1 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?] ? /
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2413

07.12.63 Taiwan – South Korea 1:0 [at ?]
[?]WONG Manwai 49
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2414

http://m.blog.daum.net/knftrec/20?categoryId=8

30.05.64 South Korea – South Vietnam 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2252

28.06.64 South Vietnam – South Korea 2:2 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?, ?]
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2253

http://m.blog.daum.net/knftrec/22?categoryId=8

This information in Korean.
Who scored goals in these games (in English)?
What rosters in these games (in English)?
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04 Jan 2018, 22:53 #27

Antikov wrote: Help please.
Pakistan – Iran 1:0
What player scored goal?

Open please:

27.11.63 South Korea – Taiwan 2:1 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?] ? /
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2413

07.12.63 Taiwan – South Korea 1:0 [at ?]
[?]WONG Manwai 49
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2414

http://m.blog.daum.net/knftrec/20?categoryId=8

30.05.64 South Korea – South Vietnam 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2252

28.06.64 South Vietnam – South Korea 2:2 [at ?]
[?, ? / ?, ?]
http://www.kfa.or.kr/national/result2.a ... gle%3D2253

http://m.blog.daum.net/knftrec/22?categoryId=8

This information in Korean.
Who scored goals in these games (in English)?
What rosters in these games (in English)?
You can try Google translate - it is the easiest option:

https://translate.google.co.uk/
Just choose the languages (Korean/English) and then paste the link into the left box, and it will translate the whole page.
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04 Jan 2018, 23:01 #28

Antikov wrote:Help please.
Pakistan – Iran 1:0
What player scored goal?
Jehangir Khan


This information in Korean.
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What rosters in these games (in English)?
http://web.archive.org/web/201401021940 ... -1960.html
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04 Jan 2018, 23:48 #29

ASIA

Malaysia – Thailand 1:1 
Goals: S.Gabrielle 24 / Suphot Phanich 79 

Help please.
Who scored goals in these games?

Thailand – Malaysia 3:2
Goals:  Asdang Paykabut (or Asdang Panikabutr), ?,  ? /  ?,  ?

North Korea – Burma 1:0 

Thailand – North Korea 0:2 

North Korea – Thailand 5:0 
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05 Jan 2018, 00:48 #30

Antikov wrote:Help please.
Who scored goals in these games?

Thailand – Malaysia 3:2
Goals:  Asdang Paykabut (or Asdang Panikabutr), ?,  ? /  ?,  ?

North Korea – Burma 1:0 

Thailand – North Korea 0:2 

North Korea – Thailand 5:0
Asdang Panikabutr 10', Yanyong Nilpirom 27' 59' / Mahat Ambu 11', Abdullah Noordin 79'
dunno
Pak Seung-Zin 58', Kong Si-Hak 71'
Kim Seung-Il 21', Pak Doo-Ik 24' 71' 76', Pak Seung-Zin 67'






S.Gabrielle = Stanley Gabrielle (in case you were interested).
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05 Jan 2018, 03:13 #31

Thank you very much!

AFRICA
Open please.
12.10.63 Kenya – Ethiopia 4:3 [at ?]
http://www.soccer-db.info/index.php?opt ... ch&id=6343

13.11.63 Ethiopia – Kenya 7:1 [at ?]
http://www.soccer-db.info/index.php?opt ... ch&id=6388

Help please.

Who scored goals in these games?

15.01.64 Egypt – Uganda 3:1 [at Cairo]
[Badawi Abdel Fattah 2’ 40’, Hassan El-Shazly 29’ / ?]


27.03.64 Egypt – Sudan 4:1 [at Cairo]
[Taha Ismail 6’, Farouk El-Sayed 23’ 66’, Hassan El-Shazly 69’ / ?]

17.04.64 Sudan – Egypt 3:3 [at Khartoum]
[?, ?, ? / Mohamed Shahin 4’, Hassan El-Shazly 13’, Mahmoud Hassan 49’]

18.01.64 Liberia – Ghana 4:5 [at Monrovia]
[Brown, ?, ?, ? / Acquah x2, ?, ?, ?]

02.02.64 Ghana – Liberia 1:0[at Accra]
[?]

16.11.63 Nigeria – Morocco 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]

08.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 4:1 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?, ? / ?]

24.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 2:1 [playoff at Cairo]
[?, ? / ?]

24.05.64 Morocco – Ethiopia 1:0 [at ?]
[?]
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05 Jan 2018, 23:46 #32

You are asking the same questions as dynablaster, i.e. "give me all the data of this tournament".   Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about who you are or what you are working on :-)

As I wrote above:
As for the rest of the qualifiers, I don't want to do a thorough study now (hence why I am only correcting errors here) but I expect that I have most of the necessary info, so I will try to compile something in the next few weeks.
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07 Jan 2018, 18:37 #33

nfm24 wrote: You are asking the same questions as dynablaster, i.e. "give me all the data of this tournament".   Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about who you are or what you are working on :-)

Open please:
http://mfa.forumfree.it/?t=70774187

08.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 4:1 
[Mohamed LamariX2(42,89),Owowon(59og),Ali Bendayane(66)/Paul Hamilton(35)]

24.05.64 Morocco – Ethiopia 1:0
[Ali Bouachra(75)]

AFRICA

Help please.

Who scored goals in these games?

15.01.64 Egypt – Uganda 3:1 [at Cairo]
[Badawi Abdel Fattah 2’ 40’, Hassan El-Shazly 29’ / ?]

27.03.64 Egypt – Sudan 4:1 [at Cairo]
[Taha Ismail 6’, Farouk El-Sayed 23’ 66’, Hassan El-Shazly 69’ / ?]

17.04.64 Sudan – Egypt 3:3 [at Khartoum]
[?, ?, ? / Mohamed Shahin 4’, Hassan El-Shazly 13’, Mahmoud Hassan 49’]

18.01.64 Liberia – Ghana 4:5 [at Monrovia]
[Brown, ?, ?, ? / Acquah x2, ?, ?, ?]

02.02.64 Ghana – Liberia 1:0[at Accra]
[?]

16.11.63 Nigeria – Morocco 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]

24.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 2:1 [playoff at Cairo]
[?, ? / ?]


P.S.
I'm a Russian football and hockey statistician (Zaur Antikov from Rostov-on-Don, Southern Russia).

Open please:

http://ice-hockey-stat.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=10
http://ice-hockey-stat.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=20

http://www.internationalhockey.net/foru ... 27-Ec-1929
http://www.internationalhockey.net/foru ... 29-Ec-1927
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07 Jan 2018, 19:01 #34

Antikov wrote:
nfm24 wrote: You are asking the same questions as dynablaster, i.e. "give me all the data of this tournament".   Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about who you are or what you are working on :-)

Open please:
http://mfa.forumfree.it/?t=70774187

08.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 4:1 
[Mohamed LamariX2(42,89),Owowon(59og),Ali Bendayane(66)/Paul Hamilton(35)]

24.05.64 Morocco – Ethiopia 1:0
[Ali Bouachra(75)]

AFRICA

Help please.

Who scored goals in these games?

15.01.64 Egypt – Uganda 3:1 [at Cairo]
[Badawi Abdel Fattah 2’ 40’, Hassan El-Shazly 29’ / ?]

27.03.64 Egypt – Sudan 4:1 [at Cairo]
[Taha Ismail 6’, Farouk El-Sayed 23’ 66’, Hassan El-Shazly 69’ / ?]

17.04.64 Sudan – Egypt 3:3 [at Khartoum]
[?, ?, ? / Mohamed Shahin 4’, Hassan El-Shazly 13’, Mahmoud Hassan 49’]

18.01.64 Liberia – Ghana 4:5 [at Monrovia]
[Brown, ?, ?, ? / Acquah x2, ?, ?, ?]

02.02.64 Ghana – Liberia 1:0[at Accra]
[?]

16.11.63 Nigeria – Morocco 3:0 [at ?]
[?, ?, ?]

24.03.64 Morocco – Nigeria 2:1 [playoff at Cairo]
[?, ? / ?]


P.S.
I'm a Russian football and hockey statistician (Zaur Antikov from Rostov-on-Don, Southern Russia).

Open please:

http://ice-hockey-stat.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=10
http://ice-hockey-stat.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=20

http://www.internationalhockey.net/foru ... 27-Ec-1929
http://www.internationalhockey.net/foru ... 29-Ec-1927
16.11 Lagos  Morocco 3-0 (A.Ekpe 2, og)
24.11.Kumasi Egypt  3-6    Ekpe, Bassey, A.Onyeanwuna   
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07 Jan 2018, 20:46 #35

Open please:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_ ... Qualifiers

17.04.64 Sudan – Egypt 3:3 [at Khartoum]

[Nasr El-Din Abbas "Jaxa" 2 goals, ? 1 goal / Mohamed Shahin 4’, Hassan El-Shazly 13’, Mahmoud Hassan 49’]
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07 Jan 2018, 23:36 #36

Can we not use Wikipedia as a source please, unless it itself cites another source.
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08 Jan 2018, 02:01 #37

Antikov wrote:
nfm24 wrote:Perhaps you could tell us a little bit about who you are or what you are working on :-)
...
I'm a Russian football and hockey statistician (Zaur Antikov from Rostov-on-Don, Southern Russia).
I know, we are all football statisticians here :-)
Are you collecting information for a website, or a book, or your own files, or what?
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08 Jan 2018, 21:54 #38

While I collect information for my files. I do not know what I will do in the future with this information. I do not have the ability to predict the future, because I'm not Marie-Anne-Adélaïde Lenormand.
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08 Jan 2018, 22:20 #39

Thanks for this useful clarification.
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10 Jan 2018, 13:02 #40

Just an additional note about the European zone. Not only Italy withdrew from Tokyo 1964, but also Greece, because they fielded some professional players during the qualifiers.
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10 Jan 2018, 13:14 #41

It was a little complicated, as Greece was not disqualified by FIFA (or the IOC) but by Greece's own Olympic Committee, on the grounds that the Greek FA was a hybrid amateur and professional body, which they (mistakenly) believed was against the rules.  This was first announced in mid April 64, less than a week after the Greeks had knocked out the British team, and the British press wondered whether this meant that GB was back in, or not (pending a FIFA decision on it).

On April 30 FIFA announced that Greece would continue, and play Czechoslovakia.
At the end of June (the deadline for qualifiers to be played), FIFA announced that Czechoslovakia had qualified by walkover, as Greece had again been ordered to withdraw by the Greek national sports council, saying it was not "truly amateur."

Whereas, I believe Italy was actually disqualified by FIFA later, after the finals group draw had been made  (could you please check this).
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10 Jan 2018, 16:40 #42

Correct.
Italy tried in 1964 the same "escamotage", as in 1960: to field Under 21 players (independently of the belonging team- Serie A or B), in the assumption they were in the minor age (21 years old, at that time), and therefore unable to sign contracts.
But that position was rejected by FIFA/Olympic Committee and Italy couldn't participate to OG final Tnmt (Poland was eliminated 3-0 and 0-0 in the qualifiers).
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10 Jan 2018, 21:39 #43

Just to modify my wrong sentence.
In '64 OG qualifiers Italy eliminated Poland 3-0 and 1-0 (not 0-0) and Turkey 2-2 and 7-1.
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11 Jan 2018, 10:39 #44

The controversy began on September 7, when the IOC sent a letter to the Italian National Olympic Committee stating that they were investigating the status of some footballers, because they were convinced some of them were not amateurs. According to the information in their possession, during that season Sandro Mazzola had earned 12,000,000 ₤.
The Italian National Olympic Committee and the Football Association replied that all the footballers of the olympic squad had signed an amateur contract with their respective clubs and were therefore eligible. The truth is: a lot of them played for AC Milan and Inter Milan, so, although they were amateurs on paper, in practice they had earned money recompences for their domestic and international triumphs and were therefore "masked" professionals. Not only the IOC, but also the Japanese FA were against Italy, declaring they did not want the professionals in their Olympic Games.
The reaction of the Italian FA was angry. They stated that the IOC should investigate also the status of other footballers in other countries, because, for example, some Socialist countries used to employ "masked" professionals.
The IOC replied that the explanations of the Italians didn't convince them, so on September 16 Italy officially decided not to compete in the Olympic Football Tournament. One of the reasons was they feared that footballers could be disqualified, so, in order to avoid more serious punishments, they preferred to withdraw. On September 19, Corriere dello Sport published a memorable article against the Olympic hypocrisy: "The Big Lie".
Some years ago, FIFA's former president, Sepp Blatter, declared that until 1980 the Olympic Football Tournament was an authentic farce.
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11 Jan 2018, 20:30 #45

Thanks guys.   Sounds like Italy jumped before they were pushed out by IOC/FIFA.
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12 Jan 2018, 09:07 #46

nfm24 wrote: Thanks guys.   Sounds like Italy jumped before they were pushed out by IOC/FIFA.
Exactly. Corriere dello Sport also added an interesting assumption: a "spy" inside the Italian clubs informed the IOC that some members of the olympic squad were not amateurs. Some of the most important clubs were not pleased to give some of their best talents to the olympic team for several weeks.
dynablaster wrote: Group 4
First Round
20.11.63 Turkey – Italy 2:2 [at Ankara]
[Kemal, Elmastasoglu Ayfer / Luigi Giannini, Giuseppe Tamborini]
I have the exact minutes in which the goals were scored: Ayfer 8', Giannini 68', Tamborini 85', Kemal 90'
dynablaster wrote: 11.03.64 Italy – Turkey 7:1 [at Bergamo]
[Giuliano Fortunato, Angelo Domenghini, Sandro Mazzola x2, Giovanni Lodetti, Bruno Petroni x2 / Turan]
Mazzola 7', Fortunato 9', Lodetti 18', Mazzola 35, Domenghini 49, Turan 61, Petroni 73', Petroni 88'.

The source is Calcio 2000 issue 33 from August 2000, page 114.
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16 Jan 2018, 19:50 #47

dynablaster wrote: Second Round
03.05.64 Romania – Bulgaria 2:1 [at București]
[Gheorghe Constantin 50’ 84’ pen / Nikola Kotkov 87’]
31.05.64 Bulgaria – Romania 0:1 [at Sofiya]
[Constantin Koszka 71’]
Romania qualify for final tournament in Tokyo.
If anybody is interested, I add just a note: some sources state that Ivan Dimitrov appeared for Bulgaria in these two games versus Romania. But I have serious doubts about this, because he had already competed at the 1962 World Cup in Chile, so he was not eligible. I think Panteley Dimitrov played instead, because, although he had been in the 1962 World Cup squad, he had never been employed.
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16 Jan 2018, 21:59 #48

Yes it was Panteley Dimitrov (also played in both legs vs Albania).  I had the same in my files already, but I checked the old book "Bulgaria na futbolnia globus" (1970, pg 219).   Note in this book the Olympic matches are in a separate list, after the A-team and B-team matches.

Incidentally his name is spelled Pantaley Dimitrov in the book.
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17 Jan 2018, 13:59 #49

Thanks.
Another interesting point regards Gheorghe Constantin of Romania. As we can see above, he participated in the 1964 Olympic Games, even if he had already appeared for Romania during the 1958 World Cup qualifiers. The professional and the European footballers who had competed in the 1962 World Cup games were ineligible for the 1964 Olympics, therefore Constantin was perfectly eligible, because he was an amateur and because he had appeared in the 1958 campaign (not in the 1962 one).
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