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3:31 PM - Mar 01, 2016 #301

Clearly refereeing is similar to being the Pope (both are infallible after all), the older the better!
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12:09 PM - Mar 05, 2016 #302

Formiga has played for Brazil aged 38 in this year's Algarve Cup, so she joins our oldest players list. Rebecca Rolls is in the New Zealand squad but hasn't played yet.
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2:29 PM - Mar 05, 2016 #303

An article in the "Daily Mail" in July 1999 about Ces Podd (technical director for St Kitts & Nevis) suggested that Jevon Francis played 3 times for St Kitts & Nevis while aged 15.

I don't have concrete evidence of this, but he was certainly named in squads in this period and he scored aged 16y 47d on 15-Jul-1999 (1-1 vs Canada B/U23), but not in a full international AFAIK.

I suspect he played in the Copa Caribe qualifiers in April 1999 or nearby friendlies. I will add him to the youngest scorers list (but not numbered, since this was not a full international), and to the unconfirmed appendix for youngest players.
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4:46 AM - Mar 07, 2016 #304

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OLDEST DEBUTANT Team Age Birth date First appearance
1 Barrie Dewsbury Sark 52y 9d 20-Jun-1951 29-Jun-2003 (0-19 vs Gibraltar)


I share two legendary pictures showing Barrie Dewsbury in his international début. On June 29, 2003, he represented Sark in the Island Games against Gibraltar at the age of 52 years and 9 days (thanks to Neil for his contribution).


Here I've found an article about that participation, with a short interview with him.
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3:41 AM - Mar 10, 2016 #305

Bermuda played a warmup game on 23 Aug 2008 vs Miami FC, in preparation for the Caribbean Cup qualifiers a few days later. Because some of the squad members had not yet been released by their clubs, Bermuda had only 12 players for this game, so in the second half both the coach Kenny Thompson (age 53 if wiki birthdate is right) and the head of delegation Anthony Francis (age?) came on as subs.
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3:44 AM - Mar 11, 2016 #306

I have a doubt about Barrie Dewsbury's début. Our file states 27/06/2003, but I've consulted the official website of the 2003 Island Games, and the date of the game between Sark and Gibraltar is indicated as 29/06/2003. So he might have been two days older.
 
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3:47 PM - Mar 11, 2016 #307

Good point, not sure how that happened, because elsewhere in our file another Sark player in the same game has the correct date. 
I've corrected the earlier posts. 
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4:52 PM - Mar 11, 2016 #308

BTW, while we are discussing Channel Islanders, one very interesting case is Billy Bohan of Alderney. He was in the Muratti squad in 1959 (but did not actually play until 1961) and was still in the team in 1987 as player-coach. Mostly he was the goalkeeper but sometimes a forward. Obviously a glutton for punishment! So he has a playing "career" of around 26 years at least, and was generally involved with the team in some capacity right into the 2000s.

I don't yet know his date of birth, but he will surely appear in the oldest player list too.
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5:41 PM - Mar 16, 2016 #309

Is André Knol the first player born past 2000 to represent a "national" team? He was in the starting lineup vs Anguilla recently.
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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6:55 PM - Mar 16, 2016 #310

Could be the first male player, unless we missed one last year.

NMI women's team in 2014 had two players born in 2000.
If you don't count NMI, then Cook Islands women in 2014 had one.
There may well have been others in the CFU.
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5:31 AM - Mar 24, 2016 #311

nfm24 wrote:
BTW, while we are discussing Channel Islanders, one very interesting case is Billy Bohan of Alderney. He was in the Muratti squad in 1959 (but did not actually play until 1961) and was still in the team in 1987 as player-coach. Mostly he was the goalkeeper but sometimes a forward. Obviously a glutton for punishment! So he has a playing "career" of around 26 years at least, and was generally involved with the team in some capacity right into the 2000s.

I don't yet know his date of birth, but he will surely appear in the oldest player list too.
Over the 2003 Island Games, Alderney fielded two players whose family name was Bohan. I don't exclude they were Billy's relatives.
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12:27 PM - Mar 24, 2016 #312

Yes Robert Bohan was the nephew of Billy Bohan. He scored Alderney's goal in the 1-4 defeat in the 2003 Muratti. Possibly the son of George Bohan (Billy's brother) who also played for Alderney in the 1960s. Not sure about Mike Bohan.

http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/20030 ... s_star.pdf

It's quite funny to read the lineups of Muratti matches, it's basically the same surnames on a loop...
Kevin Le Tissier, Carl Le Tissier, Marcus Le Tissier etc...
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2:18 PM - Apr 01, 2016 #313

Wow, this is interesting! The famous South African captain Mark Fish was fielded by the National team in the last game at the remarkable age of 42 years, and registering a 22 year-span.
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2:23 PM - Apr 01, 2016 #314

Now you will start Mark on one of his fish pun episodes...
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3:07 PM - Apr 01, 2016 #315

Not for nothing I chose Fish, as a fish is the symbol of April Fools' Day in a lot of countries...
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10:07 PM - Apr 15, 2016 #316

SDb wrote:
Is André Knol the first player born past 2000 to represent a "national" team? He was in the starting lineup vs Anguilla recently.
Another was
Ellie Carpenter   Australia  15y 309d   28-Apr-2000    2-Mar-2016 (9-0 vs Vietnam)
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1:54 PM - May 11, 2016 #317

A recent one.

24/03/2016 Australia 7-0 Tajikistan

Alisher Tuychiev (Tajikistan
goalkeeper), born on 08/03/1976, played at the age of 40y 16d.
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7:31 AM - May 22, 2016 #318

Taizo Kawamoto of Japan is a contender for the "20-year career" club, having been called up for both the 1936 and 1956 Olympic squads. So far the latest game in which I could find him was India v Japan in 1954 (he was aged 40 years 10 6 days)
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12:06 PM - May 22, 2016 #319

Kaizeler wrote:
Taizo Kawamoto of Japan is a contender for the "20-year career" club, having been called up for both the 1936 and 1956 Olympic squads. So far the latest game in which I could find him was India v Japan in 1954 (he was aged 40 years 10 6 days)
Good one.  That was his last game (even including unofficial games) so his career is span 19y 355d.  Let's put him on the end of the list anyway...
I'll also put him on the oldest scorers list unranked for his goal in 1952 vs a touring Hong Kong Chinese XI.
Luca
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A
recent one.

24/03/2016 Australia 7-0
Tajikistan

Alisher Tuychiev
(Tajikistan
goalkeeper), born on 08/03/1976, played at the age of 40y 16d.



His birthdate is given more often as 3rd March or 8th March, anybody know for sure which is correct?
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4:31 PM - May 22, 2016 #320

When UEFA and FIFA disagree with eachother it's difficult...
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9:47 AM - May 23, 2016 #321

His former club's website, in addition to the date of birth, also gives his height and weight. So it seems to be closer to the reliability.
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3:43 AM - Jun 07, 2016 #322

Another player for the "Men - Oldest Débutants" list. Gordon Bradley of the USA. Born in Sunderland (UK) on 23/11/1933, made his début on 15/11/1973 against Israel aged 39y, 357d. The curious things are that he was also the team coach and that was his only international cap.Existing three different versions abous his year of birth (1933, 1934 and 1938), I contacted the municipality of Manassas, the city where he passed away in 2008, who gave me the precise info. Year of birth: 1933.
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2:04 PM - Jun 16, 2016 #323

If this is right, Abdinur Mohamud of Somalia would be a new entry at number 2 in our youngest player list (débuting at 14y 60d)
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7:21 PM - Jun 16, 2016 #324

He is listed in the "unconfirmed cases" appendix along with some other Somalians.
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3:29 AM - Jun 17, 2016 #325

Luca wrote:
Another player for the "Men - Oldest Débutants" list. Gordon Bradley of the USA. Born in Sunderland (UK) on 23/11/1933, made his début on 15/11/1973 against Israel aged 39y, 357d. The curious things are that he was also the team coach and that was his only international cap.Existing three different versions abous his year of birth (1933, 1934 and 1938), I contacted the municipality of Manassas, the city where he passed away in 2008, who gave me the precise info. Year of birth: 1933.
He had no citizenship of the country he played for at the time. This could be a topic as well.
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4:14 AM - Jun 17, 2016 #326

Similar to Mike Renshaw.
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10:57 AM - Jun 17, 2016 #327

nfm24 wrote:
He is listed in the "unconfirmed cases" appendix along with some other Somalians.
Ah, I had searched for a variant spelling of his name and didn't find him. 

On the citizenship topic we could name a number of US players. Joe Gaetjens also comes to mind.
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6:47 PM - Jun 17, 2016 #328

Also we can go along the Tony Cascarino route.
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5:05 AM - Jun 18, 2016 #329

According to his Wikipedia article, Raoul Shungu of Zaire was born on 1958 and made his début in 1971. Such info is also confirmed by the following Seychellois article.I've been trying to get in touch with him through the clubs and the Football Associations he has worked for, but without success so far.By the way, as happened for other African players, such data don't seem supported by consistent and reliable proofs.
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12:25 PM - Jul 02, 2016 #330

Luca wrote:
Another player for the "Men - Oldest Débutants" list. Gordon Bradley of the USA. Born in Sunderland (UK) on 23/11/1933, made his début on 15/11/1973 against Israel aged 39y, 357d. The curious things are that he was also the team coach and that was his only international cap.
That's a great find Luca.   Also in the same match Bruce Arena won his only cap as a player, of course later more well known as USA's national coach.
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12:55 PM - Jul 02, 2016 #331

Luca wrote:
According to his Wikipedia article, Raoul Shungu of Zaire was born on 1958 and made his début in 1971
I'm not convinced this guy ever played for Zaire (certainly not in 1971).  Anybody have some examples of international matches in which he featured?
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11:38 PM - Jul 09, 2016 #332

Some cases from recent EAFF qualifiers.Men
Young player Alan Hinson Northern Marianas 15y 227d 18-Nov-2000 2-Jul-2016 (1-3 vs Macao)
Women
Old player Sarah Allen Northern Marianas 39y 67d 27-Apr-1977 3-Jul-2016 (0-5 vs Guam) Kuok Ut-Meng Macao 38y 107d 16-Mar-1978 1-Jul-2016 (0-0 vs Northern Mariana Isl.)
Old debut Sarah Allen Northern Marianas 39y 65d 27-Apr-1977 1-Jul-2016 (0-0 vs Macao) Kuok Ut-Meng Macao 38y 105d 16-Mar-1978 29-Jun-2016 (0-5 vs Guam)
Young player Yae Kawauchi Guam 14y 298d 24-Jan-2000 18-Nov-2014 (0-3 vs Hong Kong) Skyylerblu Johnson Guam 14y 336d 14-Dec-1999 15-Nov-2014 (0-4 vs Taiwan) Gillian Villagomez Northern Marianas 15y 91d 1-Apr-2001 1-Jul-2016 (0-0 vs Macao) Lyka Sally Northern Marianas 15y 96d 27-Mar-2001 1-Jul-2016 (0-0 vs Macao) Guinevere (Gwen) Borja Northern Marianas 15y 140d 12-Feb-2001 1-Jul-2016 (0-0 vs Macao) Colleen Naden Guam 15y 158d 10-Jun-1999 15-Nov-2014 (0-4 vs Taiwan) De'Jana Muna Northern Marianas 15y 255d 22-Oct-2000 3-Jul-2016 (0-5 vs Guam) Jalana Garcia Guam 15y 286d 17-Sep-2000 29-Jun-2016 (5-0 vs Macao)
Young scorer Skyylerblu Johnson Guam 16y 198d 14-Dec-1999 29-Jun-2016 (5-0 vs Macao)
Some of those NMI youngsters (and others of similar age) played a match in mid 2015 against Singapore's women's national team, but for some reason the NMIFA labelled their team as "all-stars" so I'm not sure whether to include this.
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11:53 AM - Jul 10, 2016 #333

And a correction to an earlier one (born 1997 not 1998): 57 Marielle Gariguez             Northern Marianas 15y 100d     8-Apr-1997    17-Jul-2012 (0-6 vs Guam)
 
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11:19 AM - Jul 17, 2016 #334

In case anyone feels like doing some digging, there are some possible cases of young (male) players in Guam's 1991 South Pacific Games squad.
A newspaper report from the time said that "half of Guam's soccer team are under the age of 22". The following players were named in reports:

Toby Irish (17 yo GK), Robert Jensen (20 yo GK), Rod Hidalgo, Albert Samalia, Neil Urbano (scored Guam's goal vs Fiji), Richard Quiambao, Fred Ungacta, Kevin (or Ken) Kanable, Bobby Torres [captain] (married with kids), Scott Carpenter, George Hokanson (both juniors at George Washington High School)
Coach: Bob Hartsock

From a very brief look, the only one I've been able to pin down is George Hokanson born 24-Nov-1975 so aged 15y 290-298d during the period of Guam's matches (10-18 September 1991).
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5:13 AM - Aug 27, 2016 #335

If this find were right, I would deserve the "Nobel Prize For Football Historians Of The Year"....
On
28/03/1992, the Dominican Republic faced Puerto Rico for the World Cup
qualifiers in San Juan and drew 1-1. All the sources indicate Óscar Mejía (nicknamed "Junior") as goalkeeper of the Dominican republic. His
date of birth is 07/12/1978, so this means he was just 13 years, 112
days
!Being a World Cup match, strange that FIFA has never mentioned this possible record.
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10:12 PM - Aug 27, 2016 #336

I think you may be right. Clear a space on your mantelpiece :-)

My only doubt is that the lineups for that match appear to come only from the FIFA files - can you find a contemporary source e.g. newspaper or agency?
For the first leg (21-Mar-1992) Mejia was an unused substitute (#12). Rafael Caminero was DR goalkeeper in the first leg (#1), but in the 2nd leg according to the FIFA file he wore #5 while Mejia was #1. Occasionally those FIFA reports mixed up starters with subs etc, so it would be great to have a confirmation of another source.

There doesn't seem to be any doubt about the DOB, nor any mistaken identity, because the FIFA report gives his full name "MEJIA Oscar Abrew" [sic, should be Abreu].

If it is indeed correct, this probably escaped notice at the time because the "story" of this tie was about two other aspects. Firstly, the first leg was the very beginning of 1994 WCQ, and secondly the Puerto Rico team attracted wide coverage due to the use of imported mainland Americans after a dispute with the local players.

E.g. from "World Soccer":
Puerto Rico have 14 mainland Americans in their squad, mostly from teams in the New York area, nine of whom have no connection with Puerto Rico by heritage or residency. The Puerto Rican federation supported by FIFA says that a player needs only a US passport to be eligible to play for Puerto Rico since Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

Also mentioned was that DR included 16 year old striker Omar Cuevas and their team had an average age of 19.
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8:39 AM - Aug 28, 2016 #337

Things seem to be adding up. From the El Nuevo Día archives:
Finalizo la etapa empatada pese a que Puerto Rico merecio mas goles, especialmente en un disparo potente a los 43 minutos de Borja desde 30 metros que en forma espectacular atajo con seguridad el portero Abreu.
[1] http://www.adendi.com/archivo.asp?num=6 ... 92&month=3
la porteria bien defendida por el felino cuidavallas Oscar Mejia Abreu
[2] http://www.adendi.com/archivo.asp?num=6 ... 92&month=3
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2:49 PM - Aug 28, 2016 #338

Hmm. A third article from that archive: http://www.adendi.com/archivo.asp?num=6 ... 92&month=3

SON SUPLENTES: Juan Sanchez, Feliciano Morell, Jose Martinez, Eduardo De La Cruz y Oscar Modesto Mejia.
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6:46 AM - Aug 29, 2016 #339

What is also perhaps surprising is that Mejia did not have a very long national team career. If he was really 13 when he began, and by all accounts one of their best players in the 1990s (able to make the team as goalkeeper and outfield), why did he not play on for another decade? Could it be an age cheat issue?
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2:31 PM - Aug 29, 2016 #340

I've found another source which seems
to strengthen the hypothesis it was really Junior Mejía our man.
Summarizing: in the first leg (that is to say Dominican Republic 1-2
Puerto Rico, played on 21/03/1992),
the young goalkeeper Óscar “Junior” Mejía had been on the bench, among the unused subs. So we are almost sure it was
really him. Perhaps “Modesto” is his middle name, being his full
name “Óscar Modesto
Mejía Abreu”.

Now the doubt does
really concern his true date of birth. There's a particular point
that makes me suspect: the date of birth of his teammate Rafael
Caminero (07/12/1971). Both were goalkeepers/outfield players and
were born on December 7, but in two different years. Could it be a
coincidence, an incorrect propagation of data or, even, an age cheat
issue?
By the way all the
sources do confirm 1978 as Mejía's
date of birth.I'm trying to
interview him with the help of the clubs he played for, but it's an
extremely difficult task. The only info I've achieved so far is he
now lives somewhere in the United States.
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5:25 AM - Aug 30, 2016 #341

I fear I must renounce to my "Nobel Prize"....I received an answer from one of his friends who told me that it was surely Junior Mejía the goalkeeper of the Dominican Republic on 28/03/1992, but that his date of birth is 07/12/1974 and not 1978, as confirmed also by his Facebook account. 
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3:15 PM - Aug 30, 2016 #342

Oh, it was too good to be true. Still it was a good anomaly to find.

This reminds me of that scientific paper a few years ago announcing particles travelling faster than light...
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3:24 PM - Sep 04, 2016 #343

Eu-football.info now allows sorting of players according to age of debut. Potential additions listed as is:


nfm24 wrote:
Youngest player Team              Age       Birth date       First appearanceAntun Rudinski Yugoslavia 15y 32d 1-Oct-1937 2-Nov-1952 (5-0 vs Egypt)
Rudolf Donhardt Austria 15y 136d 24-Jan-1893 8-Jun-1908 (1-11 vs England)
Joseph Fischer Luxembourg 15y 224d 24-Feb-1909 5-Oct-1924 (1-4 vs Belgium*)
Jaroslav Jirkovský Bohemia 15y 356d 15-Oct-1891 6-Oct-1907 (5-3 vs Hungary)

Oldest débutant Team              Age       Birth date       First appearancePaddy Bermingham Irish Free State 48y 276d 15-Mar-1896 16-Dec-1934 (2-4 vs Hungary)
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4:36 PM - Sep 04, 2016 #344

Kaizeler wrote:
Eu-football.info now allows sorting of players according to age of debut. Potential additions listed as is:


William Hamilton Ireland 43y 124d 9-Dec-1864 11-Apr-1908 (1-0 vs Wales)


EU-football gives following link. It says that the William Hamilton who was born on 09-12-1864 played 1 full cap for Ireland in 1885. So it seems EU-football's info is not very reliable.
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5:18 PM - Sep 12, 2016 #345

Kaizeler wrote:
Oldest débutant Team              Age       Birth date       First appearancePaddy Bermingham Irish Free State 48y 276d 15-Mar-1896 16-Dec-1934 (2-4 vs Hungary)
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2:59 PM - Sep 22, 2016 #346

Look at this one: Gleofilo Hasselbaink of Suriname.


Date of birth: 17/09/1999. His international début occurred on 30/04/2015 (Suriname 1-0 Guyana in Paramaribo). He was just 15y, 225d.
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5:13 PM - Sep 25, 2016 #347

Kaizeler wrote:
Eu-football.info now allows sorting of players according to age of debut. Potential additions listed as is:

Youngest player Team              Age       Birth date       First appearance
> Antun Rudinski         Yugoslavia        15y  32d   1-Oct-1937       2-Nov-1952 (5-0 vs Egypt)
I still think he was more likely born in 1934, but lacking confirmation either way.  Let's add him to the unconfirmed list.
> Rudolf Donhardt        Austria           15y 136d  24-Jan-1893       8-Jun-1908 (1-11 vs England)
Seems wrong.  Donhardt played 2 years earlier for Wien vs Berlin and apparently played 6 years earlier in a domestic match.
> Joseph Fischer         Luxembourg        15y 224d  24-Feb-1909       5-Oct-1924 (1-4 vs Belgium*)
Seems no problem with this case, will be added.
> Jaroslav Jirkovský     Bohemia           15y 356d  15-Oct-1891       6-Oct-1907 (5-3 vs Hungary)
Hmm, various DOBs online. He was more known as an ice hockey player but its the same guy in both sports.   DOB also given as 8-9-1891, and 8-3-1891 here; in either case he would be too old for our list.   The 15-Oct date is given by the Czech FA website which in turn seems to derive from Jerabek's book, although I note that the original edition of that didn't give DOBs.  Will add to unconfirmed.
> Look at this one: Gleofilo Hasselbaink of Suriname.
Good find.  Again perhaps somebody can ask NFT to flag these up automatically for us.  The benefit for them is that adding an young/old age detector will likely flag up various errors/inconsistencies in their own data too.
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5:16 AM - Sep 26, 2016 #348

Kaizeler wrote:
Oldest débutant Team              Age       Birth date       First appearancePaddy Bermingham Irish Free State 48y 276d 15-Mar-1896 16-Dec-1934 (2-4 vs Hungary)
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Kaizeler wrote:
Oldest débutant Team              Age       Birth date       First appearance
> William Hamilton       Ireland           43y 124d   9-Dec-1864      11-Apr-1908 (1-0 vs Wales)
A big 3-player mixup.  The correct situation should be: Willoughby James Hamilton   9-Dec-1864    1 cap in 1885 William Drummond Hamilton   4-May-1859    1 cap in 1885 R. William J. Hamilton      DOB unknown   1 cap in 1908
> Martinho Oliveira      Portugal          39y 358d   9-Apr-1888       1-Apr-1928 (0-0 vs Argentina)
Seems a simple typo.  DOB more often given as 9-Apr-1898.  Pictures of him suggest a younger man, for what it's worth.
> Ernest Arend           Luxembourg        40y 187d   6-Aug-1889       9-Feb-1930 (0-1 vs Belgium*)> Jean Weimerskirch      Luxembourg        38y 180d  19-Jul-1883      15-Jan-1922 (3-2 vs France*)> Jean Wagner            Luxembourg        37y 314d   3-Dec-1969      13-Oct-2007 (1-0 vs Belarus)> György Szabó           Hungary           37y 185d  24-Apr-1942      26-Oct-1979 (0-2 vs United States)Seems no obvious problem with these, will add.
I also noticed Vincent Thill (Luxembourg) born 4-Feb-2000, scored aged 16y 117d on his 2nd cap on 31-May-2016 (1-3 vs Nigeria).He seems to be the first (male) player born 2000+ to score in an international match, though it's quite possible we missed one recently.Both his parents Serge and Nathalie Thill played for Luxembourg (Nathalie is in our list as one of the oldest female players) and his brother Sébastien is also an internationalist - just the other brother Olivier (U21 international) is missing for a full house :-)
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3:35 PM - Oct 17, 2016 #350

A few players who have taken part in their national teams' most recent match (so they may climb higher still)


Oldest player Team              Age       Birth date       Last appearance
Essam El Hadary Egypt 43y 268d 15-Jan-1973 9-Oct-2016 (2-1 vs Congo) [link]
Kilifi Uele Tonga 40y 294d 14-Nov-1974 4-Sep-2015 (0-3 vs Samoa) [link]
Andy Selva San Marino 40y 141d 23-May-1976 11-Oct-2016 (1-4 vs Norway) [link]
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