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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

August 20th, 2013, 6:28 pm #1

Random browsing led me to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Norwegian_Cup) recently, it seems that Northern Norway was effectively exiled from the rest of Norway in football terms until the 1960s and 70s. While we would have known if there was an official 'national team' because of this, the issues ('travel and communication costs') at least seemed to affect the Norwegian Cup and 1st-tier league, so did it stretch any further (a seperate federation, etc.)?
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August 20th, 2013, 7:47 pm #2

Why would we have known about it?
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August 21st, 2013, 1:44 am #3

Because chances are they would have played another European nation at some point if it was some sort of official representation (and noted in Wikipedia archives, etc.), although an 'unofficial national team' would be able to slip under the radar a little better.
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August 21st, 2013, 7:22 am #4

This is nothing new. Many parts of Scotland and even England are exiled from the rest of the country (Highland League in Scotland, Northern League in England), and these are smaller countries than Norway.
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August 21st, 2013, 10:51 am #5

mattsanger92 wrote:
Because chances are they would have played another European nation at some point if it was some sort of official representation (and noted in Wikipedia archives, etc.), although an 'unofficial national team' would be able to slip under the radar a little better.
Surely if there is anything to be learned from the myriad of posts on this forum, it is that "established information" (e.g. Wikipedia, FIFA, etc) often turns out to be wrong or at least incomplete.  Perhaps Northern Norway played against Northern Finland, or some other regional team, in the past.   I don't see how we can conclude this didn't happen simply because it isn't written on Wikipedia.
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August 21st, 2013, 12:40 pm #6

You misunderstood what I meant here by 'official', as if that was the case for Northern Norway then it definitely would have featured somewhere on Wikipedia, etc., from what I've seen it seems to be comprehensive when it comes to former national teams.
'Unofficial' (i.e. Non-FIFA) internationals ('Northern Norway v Northern Finland', etc.), would not have as many records, and I am interested to find out if any of those did actually happen.
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August 21st, 2013, 5:07 pm #7

I knew what you meant but it depends who they played. Generally more is known about European teams but it's not always online. And complete is wikipedia for, say, North Vietnam, or North Yemen?

As for finding them, you could try searching Aftenposten, but there's no guarantee it would be reported of course.
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January 5th, 2018, 8:59 am #8

There hasn't been any updates or questions in this topic for a long time. Jonny Hansen has in his book "I futtbollens tjeneste" written in connection with "Troms Fotballkrets' 75 year jubileium a full list of Northern Norway's matches against Northern Sweden and Northern Finland (page 279) https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_d ... 7121104084 . In the book there are also mentioned matches agains Norway A and B. If this is of any interest for eg RSSSF and Mark, I can try to gather as much info from the book as possible, just let me know.
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January 5th, 2018, 1:06 pm #9

I'm sure Mark and Matt are interested in all that, if you could please post those lists in full.

Personally I am interested in matches with any national "A" opponent  (e.g. Norway A, or Finland A etc).
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January 5th, 2018, 3:15 pm #10

Yes, these lists would be most welcome - Meanwhile, here is a photo and the lineup of the Northern Norway team that played Northern Sweden and beat them 1-0 in Luleå in 1945.

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021016471408/ ... ner-trygve
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January 5th, 2018, 5:03 pm #11

TheRoonBa wrote: Yes, these lists would be most welcome - Meanwhile, here is a photo and the lineup of the Northern Norway team that played Northern Sweden and beat them 1-0 in Luleå in 1945.

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021016471408/ ... ner-trygve
I'll put it together according to the book, and send you.
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January 5th, 2018, 6:24 pm #12

From a quick search on the internet, I found there were 48 official matches between North Norway and North Sweden, but can only find a few results.  First was in 1930 (2-1 to N. Sweden in Boden), and last was in 1978 (5-0 to N. Norway in Tromsø).  Interestingly in 1939, it was North Norway (AIF selection) against North Sweden, when Norway had 2 separate FAs.  I don't know if this is counted in the 48 official matches.

In 1964, North Norway also lost 5-4 to a Trondheim City selection.
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January 5th, 2018, 6:26 pm #13

I have all the results from the book I mentioned.. also I think I can get some of the Norwegian line-ups...at least. The Norwegian AIF and the Norwegian Football association merged in 1940
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January 5th, 2018, 6:36 pm #14

This would make a good file for RSSSF.
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January 5th, 2018, 6:37 pm #15

Excellent!

Line-ups are not important at this stage - I think it will take enough effort just to post the dates and results :-)

Some lineups and team photos are available on digitalmuseum.no (for about 15 games or so).
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January 5th, 2018, 6:59 pm #16

I'll put as much as I can together and sent to you during the next couple of days.. too much winter here anyway
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January 7th, 2018, 6:55 pm #17

TheRoonBa wrote: From a quick search on the internet, I found there were 48 official matches between North Norway and North Sweden, but can only find a few results.  First was in 1930 (2-1 to N. Sweden in Boden), and last was in 1978 (5-0 to N. Norway in Tromsø).  Interestingly in 1939, it was North Norway (AIF selection) against North Sweden, when Norway had 2 separate FAs.  I don't know if this is counted in the 48 official matches.

In 1964, North Norway also lost 5-4 to a Trondheim City selection.
I've been searching for this AIFmatch between Northern Norway AIF and Northern Sweden AIF (AIF = "Workers' Federation of Sports"). There seems to be some mix-ups between this match and the match between Northern Norway and Northern Sweden (The Football Association of Norway). Both matches was played in Narvik, and the score was 3 vs 2 in both matches, but there is a difference, the AIF-match was played 25-9-1938 and N.Norway won 3-2, (Fremover 26-9-1938)  The FA-N match was played 20-8.1939 and N.Sweden won 3-2 (Fremover 20-7-1939), Fremover is the local newspaper for Narvik. The AIF-match is not counted in the 48 official matches, only matches organized by the Football Association of Norway are regarded as officials even though the two organizations merged after WW2.
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January 8th, 2018, 8:01 am #18

So far, this is what I found about Northern Norway national team:
Year Date Home Away where Type of match Result
1930 24.08.1930 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Boden (SVE) International 2 – 1
1931 23.08.1931 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 3 – 2
1932 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Umeå (SVE) International 4 – 2
1933 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Tromsø (NOR) International 2 – 1
1934 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Luleå (SVE) International 0 -1
1935 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 3 – 4
1936 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Umeå (SVE) International 2 - 4
1937 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Bodø (NOR) International 4 – 2
1938 10.08.1938 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Boden (SVE) International 5 – 2
1939 20.08.1939 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 2 – 3
1945 19.08.1945 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Boden (SVE) International 5 – 4
1946 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Tromsø (NOR) International 3 – 2
1947 24.08.1947 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Skellefteå (SVE) International 9 – 2
1948 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Harstad (NOR) International 1 – 6
1949 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Luleå (SVE) International 3 – 0
1950 27.08.1950 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 2 – 1
1951 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Umeå (SVE) International 6 – 1
1952 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Tromsø (NOR) International 1 – 5
1953 23.08.1953 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Boden (SVE) International 7 – 2
1954 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Harstad (NOR) International 1 - 3 
1955 11.08.1955 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Lycksele (SVE) International 1 – 0
1956 29.07.1956 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Mo i Rana (NOR) International 0 – 3
1957 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Piteå (SVE) International 8 – 1
1958 14.09.1958 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Harstad (NOR) International 3 – 0
1959 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Skellefteå (SVE) International 3 – 3
1960 31.07.1960 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 1 – 6
1961 28.07.1961 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Luleå (SVE) International 0 – 1
1962 29.07.1962 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Bardufoss (NOR) International 3 – 3
1963 31.07.1963 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Umeå (SVE) International 7 – 3 (or 7 – 4?)
1964 26.07.1964 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 2 – 0
1965 31.07.1965 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Bardufoss (NOR) International 1 – 3
1966 27.07.1966 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Boden (SVE) International 2 – 2
1967 Northern Finland Northern Norway Kajaani (FIN) International 0 – 3
1967 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Oulo (FIN) International 2 – 1
1968 Northern Norway Northern Finland Harstad (NOR) International 1 – 0
1968 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Bodø (NOR) International 1 – 3
1969 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 3 – 1
1969 Northern Finland Northern Norway Oulo (FIN) International 1 – 2
1970 12.07.1970 Northern Norway Northern Finland Alta (NOR) International 5 – 0
1970 15.07.1970 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Skellefteå (SVE) International 1 – 0
1971 17.07.1971 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Bardufoss (NOR) International 0 – 1
1972 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Tromsø (NOR) International 1 – 1
1973 22.07.1973 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Älvsbyn (SVE) International 3 – 2
1974 21.07.1974 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Vadsø (NOR) International 0 – 0
1975 20.07.1975 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Mosjøen (NOR) International 3 – 2
1976 08.07.1976 Northern Sweden Northern Norway Malåträsk (SVE) International 2 – 2
1977 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Narvik (NOR) International 1 – 1
1978 15.07.1978 Northern Norway Northern Sweden Tromsø (NOR) International 5 – 0
1947 Helgeland district team Northern Norway Mo i Rana (NOR) Test match
1949 Narvik-Nor (Club) Northern Norway Narvik (NOR) Test match 1 – 1
1958 Nord-Trøndelag district team Northern Norway Levanger Test match 1 – 11
1958 Narvik city team Northern Norway Narvik (NOR) Test match 4 – 4
1961 Narvik city team Northern Norway Narvik (NOR) Test match 2 – 0
1973 01.07.1973 Mjølner (Club) Northern Norway Narvik (NOR) Test match 3 – 1
1975 09.07.1975 Northern Norway Bodø/Glimt (Club) Bodø (NOR) Test match 0 – 1
1976 15.06.1976 Northern Norway Bodø/Glimt (Club) Bodø (NOR) Test match
1977 29.06.1977 Bodø/Glimt (Club) Northern Norway Bodø (NOR) Test match
1938 18.08.1938 SFK Lyn (Club) Northern Norway Oslo Friendlies 6 – 0
1938 21.08.1938 Drammens city team Northern Norway Drammen Friendlies
1938 22.08.1938 Hamar city team Northern Norway Hamar Friendlies 6 – 3 (or 5 – 3)
1938 Swedish district team Northern Norway Sundsvall (SVE) Friendlies 3 – 2
1947 Aker district team Northern Norway Oslo Friendlies 3 – 2
1947 Trondheims city team Northern Norway Trondheim Friendlies 3 – 1
1948 Norge B Northern Norway Trondheim Friendlies 12 – 1
1963 21.07.1963 Northern Norway Oslo city team Bardufoss (NOR) Friendlies 7 – 2
1964 18.06.1964 Northern Norway Trondheim city team Sørreisa (NOR) Friendlies 4 – 5
1964 Sunnmøre district team Northern Norway Friendlies
1965 17.07.1965 Northern Norway Trondheim city team Nordkjosbotn Friendlies 3 – 2
1967 Trondheims city team Northern Norway Trondheim Friendlies 2 – 2
1968 Northern Norway Trondheim city team Tromsø (NOR) Friendlies 1 – 4
1969 03.09.1969 Trondheims city team Northern Norway Trondheim Friendlies 1 – 1
1970 02.07.1970 Northern Norway Trondheim city team Bodø (NOR) Friendlies 0 - 0
1971 15.07.1971 Northern Norway Norge U-23 Bodø (NOR) Friendlies 0 – 3
1972 13.07.1972 Northern Norway Norge A Bardufoss (NOR) Friendlies 0 – 1
1938 Northern Norway AIF Northern Sweden AIF Narvik (NOR) AIF-International 3 – 2
Last edited by OisteinB on January 9th, 2018, 5:42 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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January 8th, 2018, 3:49 pm #19

Cool, thanks, just goes to show that if you leave something in the internetspace and forget about it for 5 years, sometimes it materialises*.

Side question, do you know what colours the teams typically wore? Completes the mental picture.

* = Can I have a mansion please, oh Internet gods? I'll set the timer.
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January 8th, 2018, 4:37 pm #20

mattsanger92 wrote: Cool, thanks, just goes to show that if you leave something in the internetspace and forget about it for 5 years, sometimes it materialises*.

Side question, do you know what colours the teams typically wore? Completes the mental picture.

* = Can I have a mansion please, oh Internet gods? I'll set the timer.
Putting something out there in cyber space, it stays there :)

Looking at pictures from the matches the Norwegian team wore the same colours as the full Norwegian national team. Red jerseys with the Norwegian flag, The Swedes wore light jerseys, I would assume they are yellow. The pictures are of course black and white.
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January 9th, 2018, 11:04 am #21

For the 1963 alternative score match (7-3 or 7-4), the score seems to be 7-4.

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021016471405/ ... inn-harald
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January 9th, 2018, 1:57 pm #22

OisteinB wrote: Putting something out there in cyber space, it stays there :)
Yes, this has been the downfall of some British politicians recently.  Not in the USA though, unfortunately.
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January 9th, 2018, 2:48 pm #23

"Politician". Ah well, just gives him more time to spend with friends...

As for 'Murica, if he somehow manages to see out his term (but he just keeps on going! 😐), the best way to get rid of him might be to fight celebrity with celebrity. Apparently Oprah might challenge him, as might The Rock. Choose the latter and an alternative form of debate is probably on the cards:



We the people's elbow.
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January 9th, 2018, 4:35 pm #24

Thanks very much for the list Øistein.  Matt, your Christmas is a little late but I hope you enjoyed it :-D

So, we can see that among that list, there was one match against a recognised 'A' national team.
13.07.72 Northern Norway 0-1 Norway in Bardufoss
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January 9th, 2018, 4:57 pm #25

TheRoonBa wrote: For the 1963 alternative score match (7-3 or 7-4), the score seems to be 7-4.

https://digitaltmuseum.no/021016471405/ ... inn-harald
I agree that it seems to be 7-4, but I got two different sources: Jonny Hansens book https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_d ... 7121104084 page 274 say 7-3, but the newspaper Tromsø 2-8-1963 say 7-4, thats why I listed both results.
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January 9th, 2018, 4:58 pm #26

mattsanger92 wrote:"Politician". Ah well, just gives him more time to spend with friends...
Um.  I was thinking more of the guy who beat Clegg but then got binned for some old Twitter posts.  There have been one or two others like that.
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