New Fifa Members?

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New Fifa Members?

Eagles
Joined: 28 Dec 2009, 15:38

13 Apr 2016, 12:58 #1

Besides Kosovo, any news on nations that applied for fifa membership in 2016? Apparently Sint Maarten was going to apply this year, along with Zanzibar, Tuvalu, and Kiribati. 
With Tuvalu and Kiribati, the situation is kind of difficult. I feel if the two countries had an adequate stadium and headquarters that they would be admitted to FIFA, given that they are part of the UN and are independent countries. However, the two countries aren't going to be able to fund these projects by themselves, so they need FIFA or OFC to help them. Think we all know OFC aren't gonna be too much of a help. 

For Sint Maarten, if they did actually apply, they should have been admitted into FIFA. They have a stadium that could host tournaments, so I don't see it being an issue of being able to host a world cup qualifier. However, maybe FIFA wants to see them continue to be active before admitting them into FIFA. 

As for Zanzibar, I read that they are asking permission from Tanzania, but I do not see them being admitted to FIFA because they aren't an independent nation and they already tried this several times before. Im not sure if Tanzanias permission will help at all. 

Finally for Kosovo, I just don't see them getting in. I just believe theres going to be too much backlash from neighboring countries. 
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

13 Apr 2016, 15:19 #2

I posted a link in another thread - Kosovo is the only applicant this year.

Also, Sint Maarten (like Zanzibar) is not an independent nation. It may be styled as a "nation", but it is still a Dutch territory.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

13 Apr 2016, 16:34 #3

Kosovo isn't also an independent country (not recognised because they are not a member of UN), if they are admitted , I hope FIFA will  also think about other FA's, like Jersey and Martinique... 
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Apr 2016, 18:10 #4

There is no real reason to discount certain established "football countries" like Sint Maarten due to political status alone (regardless of what the FIFA statutes say at any given instant), except possibly that FIFA may want to dissuade other more awkward autonomous regions or sub-countries from applying in future. The status of places like Gibraltar and Sint Maarten is not significantly different from likes of Bermuda and Curacao. It is just quirks of timing that led to some being in the club before the gates were shut.

In the case of sovereign states like Tuvalu and Kiribati, it would be anyhow irresponsible of them to accede to FIFA's conditions. Building a large stadium and hotel would practically bankrupt the island, meaning they would be unable to fight off global warming and would ultimately become submerged. Eventually Tuvalu would just become a large underwater stadium with the only part above water being the FIFA "for the good of the game" flag. For these countries it would be in their best interests all round not to have anything to do with FIFA until such time as FIFA is prepared to reach out to them in a realistic and practical way.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Apr 2016, 18:19 #5

On the latter point, it would be good to see an organization setup to provide actual football help to places like Tuvalu and Kiribati. E.g. providing coaching, arranging donations of football equipment and administrative help to setup and run regular competitions and social games both internally and externally if possible. A good example was the Dutch campaign which helped Tuvalu a lot. But this needs to be generalized.

All the "non-FIFA" organizations have so far shown themselves to be inadequate in this regard, preferring instead to mess around holding "World Cups" for semi-fictional pseudo-nations and "ethnic teams" of dubious authenticity rather than work harder to involve/assist the genuine countries which actually need help.   It is actually FIFA which has done the most for such countries by occasionally giving charity funds/equipment or allowing them to join in with certain events, but this has been done only in a sporadic and unreliable way.
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Eagles
Joined: 28 Dec 2009, 15:38

14 Apr 2016, 12:54 #6

Thanks for the responses. I wasn't saying that Tuvalu or Kiribati should build their own stadiums or hotels by any means, but until FIFA helps, those two countries are gonna be left out of FIFA.
If Sint Maarten did apply this year for membership, I honestly do not know what would be holding them back too much.

Depending on you wanna look at it, Kosovo can be classified as an independent nation even though they arent recognized by the UN. However, Im still predicting that they don't get in this time around.

Honestly they should atleast accept independent countries and get it over with. Then focused on the ones that arent exactly "indepedent". Just my opinion
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

14 Apr 2016, 14:23 #7

Guadeloupe, Martinique and French Guiana should be priorities in CONCACAF rather than Sint Maarten (as teams who have shown they can qualify or nearly qualify consistently for the continental championship).

In Oceania, Tuvalu has shown the most promise, and Kiribati has at least shown a willingness to compete (in futsal as well as football).

Independent countries - Monaco, Marshall Islands, Nauru and Vatican City haven't really shown any willingness to join any official organisations. That leaves Tuvalu, Kiribati, Micronesia and Palau.

In my opinion, the "independent" part is not so important - as I mentioned above, the 3 French CONCACAF territories would be much more "productive" FIFA members than any of the 4 Oceania independent countries. Réunion and Zanzibar from CAF would also be half-decent. Mayotte has, for some reason, not applied to join CAF, but they would still be streets ahead of the likes of Micronesia in terms of already having certain structures and football interest already in place. Isle of Man/Jersey/Guernsey are also light years ahead of Monaco, despite not being independent (IOM demonstrated this with their 10-0 win over Monaco recently).

As I see it, there are only around 20 or so potential members, only 12 of which would be serious priorities. Only 5 of these would have a chance of breaking the FIFA Top 100 (Kosovo, Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Réunion), with Zanzibar and Mayotte hovering between middle and bottom, and the rest being almost constantly at the bottom.

UEFA: Kosovo (Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man, Monaco, Vatican City)
CONMEBOL: (Falkland Islands)
CONCACAF: Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana (Bonaire, Sint Maarten, Saint Martin, Saint Barthélemy, Saint Pierre & Miquelon)
CAF: Réunion, Zanzibar, Mayotte (Western Sahara)
AFC: Northern Mariana Islands
OFC: Tuvalu, Kiribati, Palau, Micronesia (Nauru, Marshall Islands, Niue, Tokelau)
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Apr 2016, 18:00 #8

Eagles wrote:
Honestly they should atleast accept independent countries and get it over with.
Any potential new member has to (at the very least) have a Football Association which is enthusiastic and/or competent enough to justify inclusion alongside real football countries.  Regardless of stadiums and hotels, there needs to be an ongoing relatively self-sufficient structure with local competitions and potentially international involvement.  Of course, it's a Catch-22 because it is extremely hard for a very small country to sustain this by itself when it is outside of the international football community.
But look at it from FIFA's point of view for a moment.  You can't just accept anybody who applies with no tangible "proof" that they have football-organizing intentions.  New members would be eligible for many thousands of dollars of FIFA money and so it does make sense to put some practical restrictions in place before letting just any dodgy Pacific Jack-Warner-wannabe to setup a nominal FA and bag the cash.  Most of the remaining independent countries don't have an existing football structure to a sufficient degree.   My argument above was that FIFA should act as a catalyst and encourage this, rather than sitting and waiting for them to evolve on their own.  Otherwise things will move in cycles of occasional enthusiasm - one vigorous person may arrive and setup a league for a few years but then it will die away again.  These countries are very small and subject to fluctuations like this.  And FIFA's policy that the FA must be free from government control is basically unworkable in such cases.
The places which are not independent but do have a thriving football community  - these places are (indirectly) affiliated to FIFA via the mother country so it is far far easier for them to maintain a good football structure.   What they lack is just the status of being football-independent, as separate FIFA members, which includes (but is not limited to) fielding a "national" team in the World Cup.  If this is something they really want then (like Gibraltar) they can fight and fight for it and it becomes a bit of a lottery* whether they can fight their way in.
* or a political argument
I'm not sure why Sint Maarten should be in such good shape to qualify compared to these other places like Gibraltar which have been trying for years and have been considerably more active.   Even Tuvalu has been more active than Sint Maarten.
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junior17
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 17:25

14 Apr 2016, 19:06 #9

Greenland is also a good candidate, but once again forgotten on this forum
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Apr 2016, 19:57 #10

I hate Greenland. I went there once, and it wasn't even green.

Yours,
J.S. Blatter
Cell 84
Alcatraz
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Apr 2016, 20:02 #11

I love Greenland. I encourage Greenland to join Concacaf anytime. Send me a cheque and I will personally ensure that this happens.

Yours,
C. Blazer
Trump Suite
Sing Sing
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Apr 2016, 20:09 #12

Are there any jobs coaching in Greenland?

Yours,
J. Klopp
Anfield
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

14 Apr 2016, 23:25 #13

junior17 wrote:
Greenland is also a good candidate, but once again forgotten on this forum

It was an oversight. Not intentional. You speak like we have some sort of prejudice against Greenland. Toerag.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Apr 2016, 23:41 #14

You forgot to mention Turkish Cyprus too, but so far nobody has complained about oh wait.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

14 Apr 2016, 23:54 #15

I also missed out Norfolk Island and Pitcairn Island and Saint Helena and Saba and Sint Eustatius. What the hell was I thinking? I fear my days on this forum are numbered, and I will soon be replaced by an animatronic slab of Swiss cheese, which hates Greenland.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

15 Apr 2016, 00:24 #16

I nu it. You'll end up in emmental institution.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

15 Apr 2016, 08:57 #17

If I'm not wrong, Tahiti isn't independent either, but Fédération Tahitienne de Football is a FIFA member.
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mjhiggins498
Joined: 05 Nov 2015, 16:16

24 Apr 2016, 14:09 #18

Kosovo's application to UEFA is being voted on at the UEFA congress on 3 May, if UEFA approve, FIFA will vote on membership on 13 May:

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2 ... 80780.html
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

24 Apr 2016, 19:26 #19

I wonder if it will be done by the same scientific method as Gibraltar's UEFA vote, when Platini just called for a show of hands and declared them members. Even the Cambridge University Tiddlywinks Club had a better following of constitutional protocol...
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mjhiggins498
Joined: 05 Nov 2015, 16:16

03 May 2016, 14:15 #20

FIFA will now be voting on Gibraltar's membership thank to the CAS:

http://www.fifa.com/governance/news/y=2 ... 89313.html

Kosovo were accepted as UEFA members, so they will also be considered:

http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/newsi ... joins+uefa
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

03 May 2016, 17:53 #21

mjhiggins498 wrote:
FIFA will now be voting on Gibraltar's membership thank to the CAS:
http://www.fifa.com/governance/news/y=2 ... 89313.html
That isn't quite what FIFA have said, but hopefully you are right.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

04 May 2016, 00:23 #22

nfm24 wrote:
I nu it. You'll end up in emmental institution.
Not Aleut of people know that you Gruyère hair to accommodate your expanding pun repertoire. 
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

04 May 2016, 00:25 #23

Luca wrote:
If I'm not wrong, Tahiti isn't independent either, but Fédération Tahitienne de Football is a FIFA member.
Apparently, all the other islands were OK with it going by the name of Tahiti rather than French Polynesia when it joined FIFA.  I remember reading somewhere in an old World Soccer that they had some discussions and all agreed that Tahiti was the best name.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

04 May 2016, 07:54 #24

Tahiti is certainly a more marketable name.
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Georgios63
Joined: 19 May 2013, 19:58

04 May 2016, 20:21 #25

http://fifa.to/1q03OCd
Circular letter sent by FIFA to its members concerning the admission of Gibraltar FA.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

04 May 2016, 21:47 #26

Fantastic.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

05 May 2016, 10:17 #27

Wait - first we have to hope that at least one person reads the circular...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

05 May 2016, 12:12 #28

Nonsense, I'm already planning my flights for 2022 when Gibraltar hosts the World Cup, after Qatar is declared bankrupt due to offering Messi and Zlatan more money than physically exists in the universe.
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junior17
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 17:25

13 May 2016, 18:57 #29

congratulations to both Gibraltar and Kosovo as new FIFA members
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 May 2016, 19:25 #30

I've already opened a celebratory beer.
We see finally a real crossover from so-called "non-FIFA" nations to become FIFA nations.   This shows a real pathway for other similar nations to progress.  If you have any seriousness, don't waste your time joining the "alternative" organizations which will just mix you up with dubious "ethnic teams" or joke "nations".  Show your professionalism and dignity, and don't accept any substitute  -  push to join FIFA and keep fighting.   It may be some time before Gibraltar wins a competitive match, but they have shown the world how a small nation can be winners against the odds.
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Interesting that Kosovo's FIFA vote had fewer against than their UEFA vote...  (maybe Gibraltar voted against Kosovo...?)The long and tedious statement by the Serbian guy probably did more to help Kosovo than hinder it.  If he had been brief and made the point quickly and effectively, or indeed if he had shown any non-zero amount of charisma and enthusiasm, perhaps his words would have done more than simply waste time and bore everybody.   At least Spain had the decency not to make a similar statement.
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junior17
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 17:25

07 Jun 2016, 21:58 #31

decision yesterday: Gibraltar is allocated in group H (group with Belgium) and Kosovo in group I (group with Croatia) for the World Cup qualifiers 2018 European zone  
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Eagles
Joined: 28 Dec 2009, 15:38

27 Jun 2017, 13:54 #32

Besides Zanzibar, any news of potential membership applications from other countries for next year?
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

27 Jun 2017, 14:53 #33

French Concacaf members could apply, even N.Marianas could possibly do, but who knows?
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

27 Jun 2017, 16:33 #34

Greenland still seem to have their eyes on it:
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Eagles
Joined: 28 Dec 2009, 15:38

27 Jun 2017, 22:26 #35

Do the French CONCACAF members have permission to do so from the FFF?? I thought they needed that in order to be able to apply.
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cebo16
Joined: 05 Mar 2013, 19:02

28 Jun 2017, 12:54 #36

Does anybody know if Conifa is in any form assisting those teams with their potential Fifa applications?
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mjhiggins498
Joined: 05 Nov 2015, 16:16

18 Sep 2017, 14:50 #37

There are independence referendums scheduled for Iraqi Kurdistan (25 Sept 2017) and Catalonia (1 Oct 2017).  Not sure how legally binding they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kur ... ndum,_2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_i ... ndum,_2017
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

18 Sep 2017, 19:55 #38

mjhiggins498 wrote: Not sure how legally binding they are.
Veneto tried one 3 years ago that was overwhelmingly in favour of independence, but as the description says (and the fact that Italy remains in one piece) there wasn't much official about it. So there's a benchmark for 'least legally binding' at least...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

18 Sep 2017, 20:41 #39

Non-binding referenda are surely the way forward, after Borexit.
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Eagles19
Joined: 13 Nov 2017, 13:43

13 Nov 2017, 14:04 #40

https://m.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualite ... gle.com%2F

Apparently the FFF and the four French Islands (French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and Saint Martin) that aren’t apart of Fifa are looking to come to an agreement. Would this mean they would become fifa members?
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 Nov 2017, 14:54 #41

Sounds to me more like one of those meetings where some suits shake hands, have lunch, some rudimentary discussion happens and then only later does it occur to anybody to actually read the rules of the relevant organizations.  

Something smaller they could push for would be an explicit recognition in the statutes of CONCACAF in order to avoid the fiasco of the last Gold Cup, where CONCACAF interpreted its own rules in a different way than everybody else.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

14 Nov 2017, 19:20 #42

nfm24 wrote:Something smaller they could push for would be an explicit recognition in the statutes of CONCACAF in order to avoid the fiasco of the last Gold Cup, where CONCACAF interpreted its own rules in a different way than everybody else.
So to start with, would this 'explicit recogniton' feature an allowance of the 'Malouda Clause' or would it become forbidden?
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

14 Nov 2017, 20:44 #43

Either way, it should at least be clarified in the rules.   The current fuzzy situation is unacceptable. 
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