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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

July 11th, 2009, 5:57 am #1

Maysia-Liberia or Malaysia-Zimbabwe ?
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 11th, 2009, 11:41 am #2

"We checked the players’ list faxed to us and found out that it was not their first team. It is with much regret that we have to call off the matches,” he said."

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp? ... sec=sports
Zimbabwe replacing Liberia . Dont think they will play with best team....
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 11th, 2009, 5:12 pm #3

Football: Malaysia to play Zimbabwe in friendlies

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp? ... sec=sports
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 12th, 2009, 11:13 am #4

Malaysia beat Zimbabwe 4-0 !
I wonder what team Zimbabwe fielded.
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 13th, 2009, 3:29 am #5

Con deal ?
Checks reveal that it was not Zimbabwe national team but more a club sides
http://www.mmail.com.my/content/7882-con-deal
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Joined: November 14th, 2006, 10:20 pm

July 13th, 2009, 4:37 am #6

it is not the first time that clubs represent countries...
and some of them counted as A matches
like Tahiti represented by AS Manu-Ura in last year
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

July 13th, 2009, 5:04 am #7

If FIFA, Malaysia FA and Zimbabwe FA count this as a full international , then it is... Which club is it ? Because if they field non-Zimbabweans we cannot accept it as a A-international....
I hope it is because I like to see teams from different confederations play each other, it gives us an idea of their strength.... Altough the results seems very strange to me, I cannot see Malaysia beat any African country except the minnows...
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July 13th, 2009, 6:08 am #8

Monomotapa United is playing in African Championsleague group stage. I doubt that they have any foreigners in the team?
FIFA put this match on fifa.com based on Malaysian reports that they were going to play Zimbabwe NT. The matches were also reported on afc.com and aseanfootball.org.
I been reporting today to fifa.com about this Zimbabwe team and they have to make a decision if still want to count the match as A match.
Here is a link from Zimbabwe :
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/sports-611-M ... ports.aspx
Malaysia :
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/ ... index_html
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 13th, 2009, 8:28 am #9

Yesterday`s match been deleted from fifa.com and will not count as A match for FIFA
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

July 13th, 2009, 8:50 am #10

Why don't these people learn their lessons... a similar thing happened with "Liberia" visiting Indonesia in June 2007.
About whether it is an international or not, it depends on whether the Zimbabwe FA officially appointed the team to represent them, so it was the de facto national team. There are many precedents for clubs representing national teams in whole. For example, 19/12/1968 "Brazil" 3-2 Yugoslavia. "Brazil" was entirely Atletico Mineiro, their coach, their players. They just changed to yellow shirts. The match is official...
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

July 13th, 2009, 9:50 am #11

And I seem to remember Kuwait Sports Club representing Kuwait against Portugal (and drawing 1-1) a few years ago...
Zimbabwe FA should be forced to repay the Malaysia FA for the cost of the trip and for pretending they were sending the national team. It might stop them from doing it again. I seem to remember last time they went to Malaysia for the Merdeka, they didn't send their national team either. This will thus deprive Malaysia (and Zimbabwe) of much-needed ranking points.
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Joined: September 11th, 2007, 8:28 pm

July 13th, 2009, 11:24 am #12

I don't think Zimbabwe FA has something to do with this.

"Monomotapa failed to pitch up for a league match with Highway on Saturday after they left Zimbabwe without approval from the Premier Soccer League (PSL)."
I suppose it's the FA that organizes the league..
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July 13th, 2009, 12:37 pm #13

PSL and ZFA may be different organizations, as in many other countries.
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Joined: November 7th, 2006, 9:12 pm

July 13th, 2009, 3:16 pm #14

Once again a chaotic situation in African Associations.
I found this on Youtube:

Nobody can tell me that this weak team is the Zimbabwe national team. Even for a CAF Champions League-Team this performance is an abasement.
Maybe they came the same day from Simbabwe and were driven directly from airport to stadium..
But it's also notable how "strong" the Malaysian attack is.
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July 13th, 2009, 4:52 pm #15

i think in Africa there's no such thing of a separation between FA and League as we see in Europe..
At least in the countries i follow there's no such difference (Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde..)
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

July 14th, 2009, 8:28 am #16

Today :
Malaysia NT - Monomotapa United 1-0 (1-0)
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July 15th, 2009, 2:47 am #17

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July 16th, 2009, 8:37 am #18

Even more news :
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/SPORTS-631-M ... PORTS.aspx
How the club used Zimbabwe NT kits :
"The yellow and green strip was a replica kit purchased from a Harare sports shop, he said."
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January 5th, 2018, 6:01 am #19

Brilliant... I can round up some friends, buy some replica Brazil shirts, and go to Bhutan and play as the Brazil national team.
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January 9th, 2018, 5:10 am #20

I post an old vintage photo showing Malaysia and their success at the 1970 Jakarta Anniversary Tournament. Source: Malay Mail.





PS: this one is not from my personal archive, but from Neil's, who also suggests that Soh Chin Aun is on the right of the photo and not on the left as stated by the caption.
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SDb
Joined: January 24th, 2013, 5:10 am

January 10th, 2018, 2:28 pm #21

1992-12-02 Malaysia-Uzbekistan 1-1. I think the match should be considered official. Not sure why it's not listed as such. Malaysia played with their Merlion Cup squad and Uzbekistan had the team from the Central Asian Cup they played during the year.
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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January 10th, 2018, 4:15 pm #22

I have a note (I forget from where) that it was Pakhtakor.  But it probably needs checking.
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Joined: January 24th, 2013, 5:10 am

January 10th, 2018, 5:14 pm #23

Well based on the lineup most of the players were with Paxtahor. But some like Rustam Abdullaev and Viktor Makarov weren't, unless the club data is wrong. Only one player was uncaped for the NT before the match.
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January 10th, 2018, 6:11 pm #24

Hmm.  Sometimes these clubs did take a few guest players or trialists on a tour with them, so it would be good to know how the team was called in Uzbek sources.   There must be some reason why this match isn't counted today by Uzbekistan, and it isn't likely to be that it was simply lost in time, like matches of earlier decades.
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Joined: January 24th, 2013, 5:10 am

January 10th, 2018, 7:59 pm #25

The only more clue was a picture from the match in New Straits Times; Uzbek players jersey says Uzbekistan on the back.

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January 11th, 2018, 2:28 pm #26

Luca wrote: I post an old vintage photo showing Malaysia and their success at the 1970 Jakarta Anniversary Tournament. Source: Malay Mail.





PS: this one is not from my personal archive, but from Neil's, who also suggests that Soh Chin Aun is on the right of the photo and not on the left as stated by the caption.
From Soh Chin Aun's perspective, he is standing on the left.

From the photographer's perspective, he would be on the right. ;-)
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 11th, 2018, 3:20 pm #27

Well, they're both standing side-on anyway.

Back to 1992 - yes and also Xinhua News and The Independent (London) mentioned it as "Uzbekistan".   Still can't remember where Pakhtakor was written.
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June 22nd, 2018, 1:37 pm #28

in march 1958 in K.Lumpur: Malaya-Singapore 5-2 and 3-1: seems to be the first game between the two rivals (from the book "Lions and Tigers")  can someone confirm this?
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June 22nd, 2018, 7:19 pm #29

pieter wrote: in march 1958 in K.Lumpur: Malaya-Singapore 5-2 and 3-1: seems to be the first game between the two rivals (from the book "Lions and Tigers")  can someone confirm this?
It's mentioned here
http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/footb ... es.html#as
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val
Joined: April 23rd, 2007, 4:47 pm

June 23rd, 2018, 1:19 pm #30

SDb wrote: 1992-12-02 Malaysia-Uzbekistan 1-1. I think the match should be considered official. Not sure why it's not listed as such. Malaysia played with their Merlion Cup squad and Uzbekistan had the team from the Central Asian Cup they played during the year.
Apparently there was another game between same teams on 1992-12-01: http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/football/1992oth.html and http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/malay-intres.html 
In recent interview (in russian) with one of the former Uzbekistan NT players was mentioned that national team for central asia cup in 1992 was formed on the base of "Pakhtakor" Tashkent with 2 or 3 players from other clubs and that the same national team (labelled as "Pakhtakor") made the trip to Malaysia afterwards.
http://www.lpgzt.ru/aticle/69339.htm



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August 10th, 2018, 11:02 pm #31

pieter wrote:in march 1958 in K.Lumpur: Malaya-Singapore 5-2 and 3-1: seems to be the first game between the two rivals (from the book "Lions and Tigers")  can someone confirm this?
Which part is to be confirmed?  That the matches happened (yes), or that they were the first matches between the rivals (no) ?

It could be that your book is only counting after the independence of Malaya in 1957?  Although, Singapore wasn't independent until some years later...
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August 10th, 2018, 11:11 pm #32

val wrote:
SDb wrote:1992-12-02 Malaysia-Uzbekistan 1-1. I think the match should be considered official. Not sure why it's not listed as such. Malaysia played with their Merlion Cup squad and Uzbekistan had the team from the Central Asian Cup they played during the year.
Apparently there was another game between same teams on 1992-12-01: http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/football/1992oth.html and http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/malay-intres.html
Surely those two are the same match.  Although perhaps Pakhtakor/Uzbekistan did play vs some Malaysian state or club teams on the same trip.
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SDb
Joined: January 24th, 2013, 5:10 am

August 24th, 2018, 11:13 am #33

val wrote:Apparently there was another game between same teams on 1992-12-01: http://www.cantab.net/users/nfm24/football/1992oth.html and http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/malay-intres.html 
In recent interview (in russian) with one of the former Uzbekistan NT players was mentioned that national team for central asia cup in 1992 was formed on the base of "Pakhtakor" Tashkent with 2 or 3 players from other clubs and that the same national team (labelled as "Pakhtakor") made the trip to Malaysia afterwards.
http://www.lpgzt.ru/aticle/69339.htm
Indeed I think it's the same team. Either all the matches in 1992 should be included or none. Not even sure if FIFA registered any of the matches in 1992 as official.
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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