League or Cups?

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League or Cups?

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League or Cups?

mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 May 2013, 11:55 #1

I understand that in many cases national leagues are a source of huge financial benefit to clubs, but the way that cup competitions get treated as a result of this is disgraceful. Ever since Wigan Athletic qualified for the FA Cup final this weekend, I have heard pundits pretty much suggesting that they should give up on that game so they can 'focus on Premier League survival'  (on a side note, how are they even supposed to 'give up', rest star players, not put in any effort?). Can't speak for any Wigan fans, but if they were given a direct choice of winning the FA Cup or finishing 17th in the Premier League, surely they would go for the one which puts them in the history books, or am I missing something obvious?
I prefer watching cup games because of their knockout nature (plus my first season properly watching football was Liverpool's 2000-01 season, so that might have helped ), but what does everyone else prefer ('cups' can also include continental competitions such as the Champions League), and what is the situation in other countries? It seems as though some places (Italy, Holland, etc.) value their cups even less than in England...
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

11 May 2013, 13:36 #2

In Belgium the cup is treated as a minor competitionThe FA let the 1/4 an 1/2 finalss played in winter conditions with home and away taking away a lot of typical cup suspense; so low attendences were the result!Cercle Brugge played the final but it was very clear they preferred to avoid relegation rather then winning the cupFinally they played to win and lost narrowly to the favourites RC Genk 2-0I think the cup must get the importance and attention it deserves and it is completely different to championship
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Fast Midfielder
Joined: 26 Dec 2008, 16:44

11 May 2013, 17:09 #3

Both, but Cup competitions have to be played by knock out system.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

12 May 2013, 09:05 #4

The Cup is more "ecumenical", that is to say that it allows the "minnows" to compete with the strongest sides. I can say that in Italy, in the past, it was considered more or less as an umbrella-stand.
Nowadays the situation is changing and its prestige is on the increase, due to some formula's modifications.
However, if you ask presidents, coaches, players and fans: “Which would you prefer winning: the Cup or the League?”, the answer would always be the following: “The League”. And I agree with them.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 May 2013, 16:43 #5

If a team doesn't want to play the cup (in whatever country) then don't enter it.
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Moses
Joined: 02 Nov 2006, 21:55

13 May 2013, 17:03 #6

nfm24 wrote:
If a team doesn't want to play the cup (in whatever country) then don't enter it.
That's is all well and good to say that but my memory goes back to when Manchester United withdrew from the FA Cup to go to Brazil for the 1st World club cup as they valued that compertion more than there own nation cup (The press coverage was big). I will always say Cup over league as having the oldest knockout national cup compertion in the world and the chance to see the upsets as we do (Wigan beating Manchester City in the final, just an example of the romance of the FA Cup).
I will be even more happy when our cup final goes back to being played on the Saturday after all the leagues have finished and at 3pm not a stupid time of 5.15 just to please TV.
I will also be even more happy when the leagues all start & finish together on the same day & time (Not going to happen any time soon though); I also think the UEFA need to look at it's club compertitions again as well (They moan the players are playing to many games yet they do nothing about it)
European Cup (Champions League) = Holders & National Champions ONLYBring Back the Cup-Winners Cup = Holders & National Cup Winners/Runners-up (If a club has won it's league and national cup)UEFA Cup (Europa League) = Holders & Best of the rest
All straight 2 leg knock out will free up dates and allow players to rest as well; there by reducing the number of games that they play.
But UEFA will never go back to this as the clubs only want to play in the Champions League as that is where all the money is.  
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

13 May 2013, 22:44 #7

I don't see why my short comment led to a retro plea. My point was that if a club enters a cup in the first place, it shouldn't complain later when it has to play the games.

Things are the way they are because people (in general) like it and pay money to see it, buy replica shirts, pay for expensive TV packages.

Romance of the cup is great but the fact is that viewing figures go down when 2 "big" teams aren't in the final, and that dictates everything.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

07 Dec 2017, 18:19 #8

A minor miracle has happened following this week's FA Cup draw - Manchester United's game will not be live on TV for the first time since 2005 (a replay away at Exeter City, which ironically sounds like it should have been a pretty nailed-on choice for broadcasters after the first tie). Since then, they'd played 58 FA Cup games, and none of them, no matter how dross it sounded before or after compared to other fixtures that weekend, had gone unbroadcasted. All it took to finally stop the run was 4-5 'big club visits smaller club' stories, a Merseyside Derby, and 'big rivalry no.2'...

And loosely tied to Exeter City, a story to keep an eye on later in the season (or even now*), as the various past and ongoing cup successes of 8th-tier club Heybridge Swifts have given them a 12-game backlog in the league that could yet grow. At some point between now and April they'll go on a catchup run involving levels of fixture congestion (plus obligatory mention of day jobs and lack of elite sports scientists at hand) that would send top-level coaches into a coma.



*Interests of fairness/hypocrisy, sort of.
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