Jersey

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Jersey

Joined: May 19th, 2013, 3:58 pm

August 14th, 2015, 1:16 pm #1

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33770886
Maybe Mr Platini wishes to change this unfair admission rule,in case he gets elected as FIFA president.More members,more votes!!!
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

August 14th, 2015, 5:00 pm #2

Good news then, I thought they were the ones that had claimed to 'given up' a few years ago, or was that Guernsey? Either way it's encouraging, hopefully Gibraltar have managed to push the door open like they said.
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Joined: December 26th, 2008, 11:44 am

August 21st, 2015, 9:02 am #3

I also found here Guernsey was exploring opportunities to join UEFA and FIFA.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

August 24th, 2015, 7:17 pm #4

Perhaps they should mention the tax opportunities in their negotiations.
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Joined: December 28th, 2009, 10:38 am

July 25th, 2017, 9:16 am #5

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40479662

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40580383

Jerseys bid to join UEFA was rejected by UEFA. However, The CAS and Jersey had a hearing last month. Jersey is trying to get UEFA's decision overturned. A decision should be expected in late August.

Would be outstanding to see the decision reversed and Jersey becoming a UEFA member.
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Joined: January 20th, 2009, 11:52 pm

September 28th, 2017, 10:43 am #6

https://apnews.com/6ef394df900b4765aba0 ... y-congress
The island of Jersey’s application to join UEFA as a member must be put to the full congress of European soccer’s 55 member federations.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport says its judging panel gave a partial win to the Jersey Football Association which appealed against its 2015 application being rejected by UEFA’s executive committee.

CAS says the issue “must be forwarded to the UEFA Congress for decision.” It meets Feb. 26 in Bratislava, Slovakia.

Still, the judges note their belief that “on the basis of the evidence provided” Jersey does not fulfil UEFA’s membership rules.

UEFA allows membership only to countries recognized as independent by most United Nations members.

Jersey is a British dependency near the northwest coast of France, and the JFA is part of England’s Football Association.
Jersey shouldn't be anywhere near UEFA.
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September 28th, 2017, 3:21 pm #7

Blue Lou wrote: Jersey shouldn't be anywhere near UEFA.
Why not? They're arguably comparable to say, the Faroe Islands or Gibraltar in terms of their status as a territory, if it wasn't for all that 🇪🇸🇬🇮 business over the last two decades they'd probably have got in ages ago.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

September 28th, 2017, 4:25 pm #8

Blue Lou wrote:Still, the judges note their belief that “on the basis of the evidence provided” Jersey does not fulfil UEFA’s membership rules.
At least this suggests that the judges had read the evidence.  
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

September 30th, 2017, 9:56 pm #9

Blue Lou wrote: https://apnews.com/6ef394df900b4765aba0 ... y-congress
The island of Jersey’s application to join UEFA as a member must be put to the full congress of European soccer’s 55 member federations.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport says its judging panel gave a partial win to the Jersey Football Association which appealed against its 2015 application being rejected by UEFA’s executive committee.

CAS says the issue “must be forwarded to the UEFA Congress for decision.” It meets Feb. 26 in Bratislava, Slovakia.

Still, the judges note their belief that “on the basis of the evidence provided” Jersey does not fulfil UEFA’s membership rules.

UEFA allows membership only to countries recognized as independent by most United Nations members.

Jersey is a British dependency near the northwest coast of France, and the JFA is part of England’s Football Association.
Jersey shouldn't be anywhere near UEFA.
If Jersey shouldn't, then neither should Gibraltar and Faroe Islands - and they're both in.  Jersey has a much bigger population than both, and is a better team than Gibraltar (as demonstrated over several Island Games campaigns).  Jersey has pretty much the same political status as both current UEFA members (self-governing dependency).

Guernsey and Isle of Man would also make "better" entries than Gibraltar in terms of playing quality, and also both have bigger populations than the likes of the Faroes, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein and San Marino.

I reckon Jersey, Isle of Man and Guernsey would settle comfortably into the group of minnows alongside Andorra/Gibraltar/San Marino, and may even be alongside the "overachieving minnows" of Faroe Islands and Liechtenstein.

The 2 remaning independent non-UEFA countries (Monaco and Vatican City) appear to be content to play each other every year...
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October 1st, 2017, 3:29 pm #10

TheRoonBa wrote:The 2 remaning independent non-UEFA countries (Monaco and Vatican City) appear to be content to play each other every year...
Vatican City definitely appear content, in Monaco's case though isn't it a bit more forced upon them?
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

October 1st, 2017, 5:47 pm #11

I'm not sure what more the Vatican City is expected to do in international football.  At the moment they have reasonably frequent matches against the most similar scale opponent, and they appear to be able to arrange matches vs various Italian or Swiss selections, as desired, without difficulty.  

It seems they have decided not to involve themselves "non-FIFA" competitions, perhaps for reasons of cost or maybe because they don't want to be mixed in with non-countries.
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Joined: May 19th, 2013, 3:58 pm

November 21st, 2017, 1:42 pm #12

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41995287

Despite all those obstacles put by UEFA narrow-minded officials,Jerseyans look determined to fight hard to achieve their footballing recognition.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

November 21st, 2017, 2:42 pm #13

The head of Jersey's FA claims a top Uefa official has been "contemptuous" towards their application to become an international football nation.
Phil Austin says Uefa's legal affairs director Alasdair Bell has forced the island to apply before it is ready.
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Jersey Football Association president Austin told BBC Radio Jersey: "We had said to Uefa if we can go forward to membership, we don't want to be rushed to the next meeting, which is February 2018, because we'd need time to prepare, to talk to members, lobby and so on.

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In response to Austin's comments, Uefa said in a statement: "Uefa was required by Cas in the Arbitral Award dated 28 September 2017 to transmit the Jersey Football Association's application for membership to the Uefa Congress without delay.  "Accordingly, the application for admission will be transmitted to the next Uefa Congress in Bratislava in February 2018, unless the JFA notifies us that they have withdrawn their application for membership.
I'm with UEFA on this.   UEFA is doing what CAS told them to do.  They don't have to like it.  Why were/are Jersey applying if they aren't ready?  This looks clownish and naive to me.

CAS gave Jersey a free pass to apply at the UEFA Congress and try to get in on an open vote, despite that Jersey fails a fundamental criterion of membership (which the CAS even highlighted).  That's the most that Jersey could have hoped for.
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

January 23rd, 2018, 3:47 pm #14

Another article reiterating the same, Jersey state at the end they want to present their bid in 2019 but are apparently railroaded into doing it this year...
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 23rd, 2018, 4:04 pm #15

Probably they could wait until 2019 or beyond, but then would risk having to start all over again.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

January 24th, 2018, 7:16 am #16

mattsanger92 wrote: Another article reiterating the same, Jersey state at the end they want to present their bid in 2019 but are apparently railroaded into doing it this year...
Sloppy reporting by the Guardian, and also sloppy memory by the Jersey representative.

" we would see ourselves fitting quite naturally into Category D with teams like Gibraltar and Liechtenstein. We have played against those teams".

Nope, you haven't played Liechtenstein.

"Whereas matches against such as the Faroe Islands, Cayman Islands or Bermuda were once common".

0 matches against Cayman Islands, 0 against Bermuda, 1 match against Faroe Islands in 1991  - does this really count as common?

Boo!  Down with slackness!
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 24th, 2018, 4:09 pm #17

Wow that is quite amazingly poor.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

February 26th, 2018, 2:23 am #18

nfm24 wrote: Wow that is quite amazingly poor.
seems UEFA will vote on Jerseys membership today....
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

February 26th, 2018, 9:53 am #19

UEFA rejected the bid with 49 (?) votes against and no one in favour....
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Joined: January 20th, 2009, 11:52 pm

February 26th, 2018, 10:18 am #20

Faroe Islands absteined. Possibly leaving five British UEFA members who failed to vote.
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February 26th, 2018, 10:36 am #21

pieter wrote:UEFA rejected the bid with 49 (?) votes against and no one in favour....
That is, and I quote, "quite amazingly poor".
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

February 26th, 2018, 10:40 am #22

strange way to vote: the president asked everyone to reject the bid and almost every FA followed this ...
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Joined: May 19th, 2013, 3:58 pm

February 26th, 2018, 2:23 pm #23

Ridiculous decision by a Union which has lost its credibility.They don't care about football,they care about money and power.The chairman of Jersey FA was only allowed five(!!!)minutes to present his views.They refused to examine the sporting aspect of application,they just rejected it on the grounds of legal matters concerning the political status of Jersey.
In my humble opinion,UEFA could at least offer Jersey FA associate membership,allowing them to play in Youth competitions and Nations League so that local players have a strong motivation to keep the ball rolling on the island.
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February 26th, 2018, 5:48 pm #24

Georgios63 wrote:The chairman of Jersey FA was only allowed five(!!!)minutes to present his views.They refused to examine the sporting aspect of application,they just rejected it on the grounds of legal matters concerning the political status of Jersey.
CAS gave Jersey a "free hit" by insisting the application go to a vote.  Given that Jersey were not eligible for membership, this is basically asking UEFA to overlook its own rules in this particular case.   So it looks like UEFA was just grudgingly following the CAS orders, without enthusiasm.  Not so surprising. 

Also, about the 5 minutes, Jersey had months to canvas and lobby for votes among the other associations - clearly they were not at all successful at this.


Piet:
strange way to vote: the president asked everyone to reject the bid and almost every FA followed this ...
This is the best kind of democracy.  Tell people how to vote, to avoid them getting any ideas of their own.

I recommend that Jersey hires a Mr J.Warner of Trinidad.  He should be able to get them in the door.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

February 26th, 2018, 8:26 pm #25

Instead of FAs wasting time and resources trying to get into organisations that they can't get into based on current rules, they should get together and campaign for the admission rules to be changed back to what they were (i.e. no need to be a UN member/sovereign state).  Otherwise, it will all be a waste of time.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

February 26th, 2018, 8:32 pm #26

More sloppy nonsense, this time from the Jersey FA president.  RESEARCH YOUR OWN FUCKING HISTORY!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43183023

"In years gone by we would play against Gibraltar, the Faroe Islands, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands," added Austin.

"Now with Fifa and Uefa commitments they no longer play us."

Jersey has never played Bermuda or Cayman Islands.  In fact, Cayman Islands has never played football at the Island Games...

Also, from the UEFA president:

""We are ready to modernise and ready to change football, but we are not above our own statutes."

If you can change football, you can surely also change the statutes (like you did to prevent non-sovereign nations getting in).

People are so thick...
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

February 26th, 2018, 9:31 pm #27

It worked for Gibraltar, so it was was worth a shot for Jersey.  They just seem a bit clueless in actually going about it. Perhaps they underestimated how hard Gibraltar had to work, and how competent their leaders were.

Obviously, UEFA could change its own statutes at exactly the same sort of meeting they just held.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

February 27th, 2018, 3:33 am #28

and since the congress UEFA's website is offline.....coincidence?
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

February 27th, 2018, 6:29 am #29

Gibraltar had a better case (they applied before the statute change allowing only independent countries into UEFA).

All confederations should really have the same admittance rules as FIFA - CONCACAF, for example, has no trouble admitting non-independent countries.  Nor does AFC.  There really shouldn't be any difference between confederations - after all, they are all supposed to be equal 2nd tiers under FIFA's organisational structure.  FIFA (technically) can admit non-independent countries with the permission of the FA of their "ruling" country.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

March 1st, 2018, 5:59 am #30

hypotetical question: if Jersey was admitted, this would be the end of the Muratti Vase ?
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 1st, 2018, 8:20 am #31

Doubt it.  It is only one (or two) games a year against a traditional rival.  Even if they decided to phase it out, they could still use B teams or something.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

May 12th, 2018, 6:45 am #32

19 may Slough: Panjab-Jersey
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

Yesterday, 1:13 pm #33

Panjab-Jersey 1-1
any chance to see the channel islands join CONIFA?
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Joined: November 13th, 2017, 8:43 am

Yesterday, 4:32 pm #34

pieter wrote:Panjab-Jersey 1-1
any chance to see the channel islands join CONIFA?
Honestly I think they will join CONIFA. Gives them a platform to play more games and improve the game in the islands. That’s the reason they wanted to join UEFA.


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