Inadequacy of live score sites (Northern Ireland - Belarus)

Joined: 12:28 PM - Apr 07, 2007

10:21 AM - May 29, 2016 #1

Going back to the Northern Ireland vs Belarus match on Friday, I was just typing up the notes I made from watching the game on TV, and I found that I seem to be the only source that includes the 5th Belarus sub.  Nekhaichik replaced Stasevich at 88'.
None of the live score sites show it.  None of the match catalogues show it  (eu-football, national-football-teams etc).  Even the Belarus FA and kick-off.by failed to register it). The only place I can see it (apart from my own notes) is the BBC website.
In general it is quite common that a substitution or yellow card in the aftermath of a goal is missed by the TV cameras (which are showing replays of the goal) and often the commentators.  Thus many "live score" websites miss out the subs, or catch up with them only several minutes later when the TV director notices the new player.
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11:22 AM - May 29, 2016 #2

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Joined: 12:28 PM - Apr 07, 2007

3:43 PM - May 29, 2016 #3

Yes though they did at least register the 3rd Belarus yellow card which the other sources also missed.
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Joined: 5:16 PM - Oct 31, 2006

5:47 PM - May 29, 2016 #4

Surely, in this day and age, an electronic referee report could be made available online within minutes of the match ending.
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Joined: 12:28 PM - Apr 07, 2007

6:28 PM - May 29, 2016 #5

Yes the referee should have a little tablet instead of writing the names on the back of his yellow card.

It's just the flaw of us nerds trying to document the match based on TV coverage alone. Previously at least you could rely on the journalists physically present in the stadium to give an independent (if not necessarily accurate) set of data. But now it seems even the guys who are detailed to cover the match are just working off the TV or online coverage.

An even more common problem is the formations used by the team. So many match reports simply take the formation preview from the TV picture, obviously before the game has started. If you're going to do that then there is no point giving the formation at all. The formation should be based only on actually watching the opening minutes of the game.

Likewise, websites that give players' heat maps and then infer a formation from that. Firstly, the heat map is normally based on ball touches, not positions occupied. Secondly, this does not account for changes of formation during the match, or individual swaps e.g. wingers switching sides.
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Joined: 2:58 PM - Feb 09, 2011

2:46 PM - May 30, 2016 #6

Football.by reports the substitution.
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Joined: 12:28 PM - Apr 07, 2007

4:27 PM - May 30, 2016 #7

I emailed kickoff after the match, perhaps the news is getting around.
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SDb
Joined: 5:10 AM - Jan 24, 2013

5:59 PM - May 30, 2016 #8

It's quite common actually. FIFA qualifiers live scoring is notorious for missing one or few substitutions and they seem to be very slow nowdays on updating the official match reports. Online media nowdays is even worse and very often they just don't give a damn when publishing their halfdone match reports!
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6:58 PM - May 30, 2016 #9

Yes it's the old classic - more important just to have something "live" and publish fast than for it to be any good.
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Joined: 11:44 AM - Dec 26, 2008

4:07 AM - Jun 01, 2016 #10

How about this one? Tonight at 18:30 a friendly Latvia vs Lithuania and at the very same time a Baltic Cup match between the same countries.
Last Sunday the friendly match Lithuania vs Estonia ended just as the Baltic Cup match Lithuania vs Estonia 2-0 as you can read here. Take a look at the goalscorer and the minutes they have scored....
Last edited by Fast Midfielder on 4:14 AM - Jun 01, 2016, edited 2 times in total.
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12:36 PM - Jun 01, 2016 #11

Maybe their correspondent was paid twice for the same job...
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Joined: 2:58 PM - Feb 09, 2011

4:48 AM - Jun 02, 2016 #12

The 2016 OFC Nations Cup matches are also valid for the 2018 World Cup qualifying round.It would be interesting if some live score site treated them as two separate events.....
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12:41 PM - Jun 02, 2016 #13

And then they get double points in the ranking.
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Joined: 10:54 AM - Apr 05, 2012

5:58 AM - Jun 04, 2016 #14

nfm24 wrote:
Likewise, websites that give players' heat maps and then infer a formation from that. Firstly, the heat map is normally based on ball touches, not positions occupied. Secondly, this does not account for changes of formation during the match, or individual swaps e.g. wingers switching sides.
Thirdly, the conclusion you reach is that the team is playing in a 1-0-10-0 formation.
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6:43 AM - Jun 04, 2016 #15

Average position looks like 0-10-0, but if the average position of defenders is in it's own penalty box, this means they are contineously under pressure. Even if you play against San Marino the forwarders won't be contineously in the opponent's penalty box. Here I read England de facto played something as 3-4-3 or 4-3-3.
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5:42 PM - Jun 05, 2016 #16

Well that again shows both the flaws I mentioned. #20 Dele Alli was initially on the left of the midfield but later became central once subs were made. Generally formations are assumed to be symmetric (left to right) but sometimes teams overload one side with an old-fashioned winger/
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SDb
Joined: 5:10 AM - Jan 24, 2013

6:55 PM - Jun 07, 2016 #17

Speaking of that, Soccerway updated the Yemen-Maldives qualifier with exactly the same lineups and events as in the first leg..
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5:36 PM - Jun 10, 2017 #18

In today's Scotland vs England hoof-fest, most sites are giving the sub time for Defoe replacing Livermore as 90+4' or 90+5'. In reality it was at 90+2'. You can clearly see Defoe running into the box as Dier takes the freekick which led to England's equaliser. Indeed Defoe is one of the first to congratulate Kane... odd then that sites claim he didn't even enter the field by then.
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5:46 AM - Jun 11, 2017 #19

More or less this reminds me of a recent anecdote happened to me. I was comparing some sources about the 1990/91 European Cup, because all the UEFA sources declare that a Red Star Belgrade player was substituted during a game against Rangers. After consulting a lot of British and Yugoslavian newspapers from the following day, and the video of the match, I could draw the appropriate conclusion that the substitution never occurred. To be more sure, I even contacted the Red Star's player who would have entered as a substitute, asking him whether he actually appeared against Rangers. He replied he did not recall the match...
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