Guatemala

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September 7th, 2010, 1:53 pm #1

Guatemala plays Japan and Salvador on the same day???
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September 7th, 2010, 2:28 pm #2

Yes. Two NT`s one in USA and one in Japan.
They also played Nicaragua on 4. September in USA.
The team in USA is a bit weaker "B" team . FIFA do not recognize the match against El Salvador as "A" match, though the match against Nicaragua is still a "A" match.
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Joined: April 28th, 2009, 5:00 am

October 24th, 2012, 4:59 pm #3

3 Guatemalan international players were banned for life cos of match fixing!
The players were involved in fixing Guatemala friendlies against Venezuela in June 2011 and Costa Rica in May 2012.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/s ... index.html
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October 24th, 2012, 8:27 pm #4

Guillermo Ramirez has over 100 caps, I wonder how many other times he was involved in such activities.
I watched South Africa 5-0 Guatemala in 2010, from what I saw I was strongly suspicious that that match was also fixed.
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Joined: February 9th, 2011, 2:58 pm

February 14th, 2016, 5:47 am #5

I want to share a couple of legendary documents celebrating the most important win for the Guatemalan football: their triumph at the 1967 Concacaf Championship.
An article from the newspaper Prensa Libre from March 20, 1967

And a stamp issued in that period:
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February 14th, 2016, 7:54 am #6

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February 21st, 2016, 4:56 am #7

Wow, spectacular! 



I had been searching for this trophy for a long time! I also contacted the Guatemalan FA a couple of times, but without success. The trophy was of the same model awarded to Mexico in 1965.My favourite one still remains the Gabriel Kafaty trophy awarded to Canada in 1985.
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May 22nd, 2016, 5:12 am #8

Directly from Twitter, a spectacular photo of the CONCACAF Championship trophy conquered by Guatemala in 1967. That was the first and only continental triumph for "Los Chapines"

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April 6th, 2017, 5:52 am #9

Three weeks ago, Guatemala celebrated the 50th anniversary of their triumph in the CONCACAF Championship. A spectacular picture taken from Twitter showing the squad with the trophy.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

June 7th, 2018, 9:18 am #10

suspension of Guatemala lifted by FIFA....
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June 7th, 2018, 10:45 am #11

pieter wrote: suspension of Guatemala lifted by FIFA....
Great!  Now they can start preparing to win the World Cup in Qatar.
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June 8th, 2018, 12:12 pm #12

"Guatemala possibly could enter into League C"
2019–20 CONCACAF Nations League  wiki article
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August 17th, 2018, 4:50 pm #13

A realistic aim for Guatemala would be to make the "Hex" and be competitive on the level of Honduras and Panama.  If they could manage that consistently, who knows what can develop.
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August 18th, 2018, 10:46 pm #14

Beat Cuba 3-0 on the 15th August, beating them again 1-0 as i type, making the hex is a realistic goal
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August 19th, 2018, 4:44 pm #15

Guatemala is one of only 10 teams who have made 6 of the modern "Hexes".  Only 3 teams have made all 6 Hexes.

NORTH AMERICA: Mexico (6), USA (6), Canada (1)
CENTRAL AMERICA: Costa Rica (6), Honduras (4), Panama (3). El Salvador (2). Guatemala (1)
CARIBBEAN: Trinidad & Tobago (4). Jamaica (3)

Of course, from 1965 to 1981, the CONCACAF Championship final tournament was a "Hex", and in some years acted as a qualifier for the World Cup.
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August 19th, 2018, 6:51 pm #16

Yes but it's about consistency... consistently reaching the Hex, consistently being competitive therein.  The chances of actually qualifying once you've made it to the Hex are pretty good, probably better than almost any other continental group.
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August 20th, 2018, 3:42 pm #17

TheRoonBa wrote: Guatemala is one of only 10 teams who have made 6 of the modern "Hexes".  Only 3 teams have made all 6 Hexes.

NORTH AMERICA: Mexico (6), USA (6), Canada (1)
CENTRAL AMERICA: Costa Rica (6), Honduras (4), Panama (3). El Salvador (2). Guatemala (1)
CARIBBEAN: Trinidad & Tobago (4). Jamaica (3)
Really drills home how top-heavy it's been lately. The top teams get to skip a couple of rounds but still...
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August 20th, 2018, 6:14 pm #18

It's designed to be top heavy, more blatantly than other continents.
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August 24th, 2018, 10:48 am #19

Yeah, but it's not quite [various continents] Champions League level of just letting teams bypass qualification to a later round. Or more relevantly, the CONCACAF Gold Cup pre-League of Nations, where NAFU countries got a free pass to the finals regardless of if they were hosts or holders (*cough*🇨🇦*cough*, although some years they could just claim to be 'best of the rest' from that region).

But thinking about it the CONCACAF Fourth Round is definitely the most blatant in the World Cup Qualifiers, 6 out of the 12 teams being byed straight there .

Although don't get me started on how easy it is for South American teams to reach their final round...
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August 28th, 2018, 5:00 am #20

But there is more strength in depth in South America.  In fact, it seems that except possibly the OFC which is weak all round, CONCACAF has the biggest drop off in strength after the first N elite teams.  In the other continents it is more of a gradual drop.  Perhaps some more interesting plots to burden the data churners with... relative strength graphs of members of each confederation.
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August 28th, 2018, 1:26 pm #21

nfm24 wrote:But there is more strength in depth in South America.
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August 28th, 2018, 1:58 pm #22

Guatemala played the two friendlies against Cuba with two different teams. 29 players were used over the two games. Almost all of them were debutants.
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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August 28th, 2018, 2:56 pm #23

mattsanger92 wrote:
nfm24 wrote:But there is more strength in depth in South America.
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This was the point all along.  Guatemala and teams of their ilk have to make an order of magnitude improvement to qualify, as it requires a sustained success.  Whereas, the second level teams in Europe and South America need a relatively smaller improvement to have a good crack at qualifying - they only need to overtake one or two teams in their group, and this might equate to only one or two improved results (even just a goal or two somewhere along the campaign).  I suppose Africa and particularly Asia is a bit closer to CONCACAF, in the last phase, but fewer teams in each group advance.
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August 28th, 2018, 9:27 pm #24

With respect to "Dropping Off" (in terms of elo rating points):

The highest difference in each confederation between 2 neighbouring teams in the rankings are as follows:
UEFA
190 points between 54th (Andorra) and 55th (San Marino) (bottom 2 teams)
CONMEBOL
168 points between 1st (Brazil) and 2nd (Uruguay)
CAF
165 points between 48th (Sudan) and 49th (São Tomé & Príncipe)
AFC
171 points between 46th (Bhutan) and 47th (Northern Mariana Islands) (bottom 2 teams)
CONCACAF
130 points between 3rd (Costa Rica) and 4th (Panama)
OFC
313 points between 7th (Papua New Guinea) and 8th (Tuvalu)
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August 29th, 2018, 1:52 am #25

Tuvalu is not in OFC....
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August 29th, 2018, 5:14 am #26

That shows where the boundary layers are.  But to answer the top heavy issue, we'd need some measure along the lines of "N such that the total points of the top N teams is equal to the sum of the rest of the teams"  (i.e. play around with medians and means until you confirm the conclusion you want to conclude... )

Like one of those political campaign leaflets with a misleading bar chart with one massive bar and 3 tiny bars, when the actual  figures are about 30, 24, 23, 23.
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August 29th, 2018, 5:14 am #27

pieter wrote:Tuvalu is not in OFC....
Doesn't the OFC still claim that Tuvalu is an associate member?
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August 29th, 2018, 5:28 am #28

possible they claim it, but OFC does nothing for their so called Associate members
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August 29th, 2018, 5:34 am #29

True.
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August 29th, 2018, 1:43 pm #30

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-18/o ... id/5163998

But Mr Nicholas says his organisation is doing everything it can to help Tuvalu.
"It's very disappointing that he makes these comments in the media when he knows full well what the requirements are," he said.
"We provide financial grants to them every year, we provide technical courses, footballs, coaching courses.
"We actually even help pay for them to come to OFC tournaments."
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August 29th, 2018, 1:49 pm #31

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=uk

In officially confirming its backing, UEFA has joined the Government of Australia and John Walker’s Find Your Field of Dreams Foundation as supporters of Just Play.
The programme has already been launched in Tahiti, Tonga, Vanuatu, the Solomon Islands and south Auckland and another nine countries are on the list. The nations set to benefit within the next two years are: American Samoa, the Cook Islands, Fiji, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Kiribati, Tuvalu and Niue.
Just Play is led by OFC head of social responsibility Franck Castillo, technical coordinator Colin Tuaa and consultant Vania Kenning.
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August 29th, 2018, 1:57 pm #32

Well going by what Sascha told us before (more recently than the links posted above), they didn't actually deliver on any of this.  Personally I don't know what the correct situation is, beyond simply choosing which one of the conflicting versions to believe. 
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