Great players who never appeared for their National team

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May 2nd, 2015, 5:24 am #1

For some strange reason, some very good players never got the chance to appear for their National team.
I think one of the most famous cases is represented by Arsenio Erico. Born in Paraguay in 1915, he moved to Argentina when he was very young. He is the all-time highest goalscorer in the Argentine first division, with 295 goals. Alfredo Di Stéfano used to define him “the best player I've ever admired”. In spite of all, he never represented the two National teams.
For Scotland - I don't know whether Neil agrees - I would mention the striker John Campbell. He was the top-scorer in the English League three times.
For Italy, well, there's a long and interesting list. I just cite two champions: goalkeeper Sebastiano Rossi and stopper Sergio Brio. Rossi was one of the best Italian goalkeepers in the 1990s. He won a Champions League with AC Milan and still holds the record for the longest streak without conceding a goal in Serie A history. He was called up in just two occasions, but never played for Italy.Brio was a formidable marker in the 1980s. If I just think that Andrea Ranocchia owns 18 caps and Sergio Brio none, I go mad!!! Jokes apart, Sergio also won as protagonist all the international competitions with Juventus and neutralized almost all the best strikers of that time.
In your countries, which are the best players who never got the chance to appear for the National team?
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May 2nd, 2015, 5:45 am #2

Former FC Den Haag player Joop Korevaar was not available for any national team because he is a Jehova's whitness.
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May 2nd, 2015, 5:05 pm #3

Heinz 'Kroket' Stuy kept a clean sheet in three European Cup finals, but that was not enough to earn him a single cap throughout his career. A fellow member of that '70s Ajax side, Horst Blankenburg, would also end up never representing his national team.
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May 3rd, 2015, 7:12 am #4

Kaizeler wrote:
Heinz 'Kroket' Stuy kept a clean sheet in three European Cup finals, but that was not enough to earn him a single cap throughout his career.
Jan van Beveren, Piet Schrijvers, Pim Doesburg and Jan Jongbloed were just better goalkeepers. Stuy just played in the very best Dutch clubteam at the time.
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May 3rd, 2015, 4:23 pm #5

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May 9th, 2015, 5:35 am #6

Thanks. For England I've found Craig Johnston. He won some caps with England Under-21, but never appeared for the "A" National team. Johnston was an important all-around midfielder for Liverpool in the 1980s, when he won the European Cup.
Provisional Top-11:
Goalkeepers: Rossi (Italy) or Stuy (Netherlands)Defenders: Blankenburg (West Germany), Brio (Italy)Midfielders: Johnston (England)Forwards: Campbell (Scotland), Erico (Paraguay) 
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May 9th, 2015, 5:53 am #7

Luca, you just mentioned Nayim in another topic. I think we can add him as well.
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May 9th, 2015, 8:37 am #8

In England, perhaps Steve Bruce should be considered.
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May 9th, 2015, 9:00 am #9

He's probably near the top of the list every time in those kind of articles over here. Also, David Fairclough never won a senior cap, not even a sub appearance ...
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May 15th, 2015, 2:53 pm #10

Thanks, good points, I forgot about them.And what about Brazil? This article from Globoesporte states that the best player to have never appeared for Seleção is Danilo. A skillful and classy midfielder with a good goal sense. He won no less than two Club World Cups and two Copa Libertadores titles with two different clubs (São Paulo and Corinthians).
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May 17th, 2015, 5:57 am #11

For France, I would say one of the best players to have never worn the National team kit is Pascal Olmeta.Goalkeeper, owner of 474 caps in Division 1 and winner of the 1992/93 Champions League with Olympique de Marseille (although as a reserve). Finalist in 1991.
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May 18th, 2015, 8:09 am #12

Ruud Hesp and Kiki Musampa for Netherlands
Mikel Arteta and Oleguer for Spain
Igor Protti, Dario Hubner and Pietro Paolo Virdis (topscorers of Serie A) for Italy
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May 18th, 2015, 11:38 am #13

SA wrote:
Oleguer for Spain
Oleguer could play for Spain, but he did not want to. He wanted to play internationals only for Catalonia.
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May 19th, 2015, 10:20 am #14

Another famous one from Netherlands: Piet den Boer. He was the forward of the amazing Malines winner of the 1987/88 Cup Winners's Cup, scoring decisive goals in semifinal versus Atalanta and in final versus Ajax. He never got the best on competitors like Marco van Basten and John Bosman and never wore the National team shirt.John McGovern (Scotland) was the captain of Nottingham Forest European champion in 1978/79 and in 1979/80. He also won the English title in 1971/72 with Derby County and in 1977/78 with Forest. Strangely, he never won any caps with the National team.
Does anybody know if Delio Onnis played for Argentina? He's still the best bomber ever in the French League (299 goals). For sure he never played for France.
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May 19th, 2015, 10:38 am #15

According to the (English) Wikipedia site your link shows Onnis scored 21 goals in 14 matches for Argentina in the 1966-69 era, but Guy Oliver's Guinnes Record of World does not report any goals of Onnis. Wikipedia sites in other lanuages report no caps for Argentina. Onnis was born in Italy and had Italian and Argentinian citizenship, so this explains why he never played for France. I am very surprised you did not know about his Italian roots Luca. Somehow a bit disappointed.................
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May 19th, 2015, 10:41 am #16

Note that Piet den Boer was born in the Rotterdam qaurter of Charlois, which the old Rotterdam people pronounce both as Saarloos (means without Saar, Saar is a Dutch girl name derivated from Sarah) and Charleroi (the Belgian city). Boer is the Dutch word of Farmer.
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May 22nd, 2015, 5:19 am #17

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Onnis was born in Italy and had Italian and Argentinian citizenship, so this explains why he never played for France. I am very surprised you did not know about his Italian roots Luca. Somehow a bit disappointed.................
Ehm... Fast Midfielder... you underestimate me  I know about his Italian
origins from 1985, as Guerin Sportivo 35 from 1985 reports an
interesting article about him.
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May 22nd, 2015, 5:23 am #18

In that case I am only very surprised you did not mention about is Italian origin as you usually did with all great players who are/were.
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May 22nd, 2015, 2:16 pm #19

I thought the conclusion was that all great players must be Italian in some way. And vice versa (except Massimo Taibi - he is the exception that proves the rule).
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May 22nd, 2015, 5:08 pm #20

As far as I am informed the oldest human skeletons have been found in Uganda. Redirecting this to Adam and Eve, we all have Ugandan ancestors. Even all Italian players who have won the World Cup. I guess our big friend Blatter is not as he is an alien who, in 1936, has been delivered in Switzerland by an UFO instead of a stork.
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May 22nd, 2015, 5:19 pm #21

Luca wrote:
Another famous one from Netherlands: Piet den Boer. He [...] never wore the National team shirt.
Oh, but he did. In 1981 (when he was a player of amateur club Xerxes) he played in the Dutch national amateur team that took part in the Marah Halim Cup (http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/marahhalim.html#1981)BTW, even I wore the national team shirt! As a supporter of Oranje of course ;-)

PS, Piet den Boer must not be confused with Piet de Boer who played one international match for the Netherlands, scoring three times within 14 minutes! (28 November 1937, WCQ vs Luxemburg, score 4-0)
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May 26th, 2015, 5:26 am #22

I've found another interesting case. Between 2003 and 2004, Porto won 1 UEFA Cup, 1 Champions League and 1 Intercontinental Cup.Their forward, Derlei, was very important, scoring 12 goals in UEFA Cup and 3 goals in Champions League. Nevertheless, he never represented Brazil, because closed by monsters like Romário, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho etc...He was later naturalized Portuguese, but never appeared for the National team. 
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May 28th, 2015, 9:07 am #23

Brazilian goalkeeper Fábio (Cruzeiro-BRA) was drafted many times, but never debuted. Some says he should be the absolute titular of Brazilian goal, but I'm not that radical.

Dejan Petković (retired) played for Yugoslavia, but, for some political issues, etc., never played on Serbia and Montenegro or Serbia. He was on official Brazilian Championship's top XI in 2005 and 2009.
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May 28th, 2015, 3:40 pm #24

Two more, one from England and one from Netherlands.
Ron "Chopper" Harris. He's still the most capped player for Chelsea. Won 1 Cup Winners' Cup in 1971. Very important defender. Rough but also talented. Never played for England.
Joop van Daele. Although he was a defender, he scored probably the most important goal in Feyenoord's history: the decisive 1-0 versus Estudiantes in the 1970 Intercontinental Cup. He also won the UEFA Cup in 1974.
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May 28th, 2015, 5:30 pm #25

Chopper Harris might be another player who never touched the ball.... only the leg.
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June 1st, 2015, 5:41 am #26

How many English champions have never represented their national team!Another one is Jimmy Case. A very important player for Liverpool in the 1970s and 1980s. He won 3 European Cups and 1 UEFA Cup, scoring also decisive goals.
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June 1st, 2015, 7:27 am #27

This case is also a good one for the funny name topics.
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February 18th, 2017, 5:13 am #28

Another important player without international caps was without doubt Bernd Dürnberger, a pillar of the powerful Bayern Munich and thrice
European champion in the 1970s.It's extremely interesting to note
that four stars of the best European clubs in the 1970s never appeared
for their respective national teams:
Heinz Stuy (thrice European champion with Ajax) 0 caps for NetherlandsHorst Blankenburg (thrice European champion with Ajax) 0 caps for West GermanyBernd Dürnberger (thrice European champion with Bayern Munich) 0 caps for West GermanyJimmy Case (thrice European champion with Liverpool) 0 caps for England
Football paradoxes...
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March 13th, 2017, 5:20 pm #29

Another one who should be mentioned here: Duško Radinović, a very good attacking right back who won the 1990/91 European Cup and the 1991 Intercontinental Cup for Red Star Belgrade. He was selected to represent Yugoslavia for the 1992 European Championship, but the war prevented him to appear at international level.
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April 28th, 2017, 4:23 am #30

Another uncapped player: Ramón Villaverde. Born in Uruguay in 1930, was the formidable winger of Barcelona in the 1950s and in the 1960s. He helped the club win two Fairs Cups and two Spanish titles, scoring many decisive goals. He only appeared for Spain B in a friendly versus West Germany B in 1956 and in some games of Catalonia. Never represented Uruguay.
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February 16th, 2018, 3:37 pm #31

Another prestigious player who never had the chance to appear for his national team was Bernd Wehmeyer. A fast and inexhaustible left back with offensive characteristics, won three national titles and the 1982/83 European Cup for Hamburger. He was also runner-up in the 1979/80 European Cup and in the 1981/82 UEFA Cup. He only represented West Germany Olympic, but never the "A" national team.
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March 11th, 2018, 6:30 am #32

Another famous "uncapped": Valérien Ismaël. A good centre back, won one Bundesliga title for Werder Bremen and one for Bayern Munich, but never had the chance to appear for France.

I remember him during the 19978/98 UEFA Cup, when he was a very tough opponent of Inter playing for Strasbourg.
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May 21st, 2018, 5:16 am #33

I have just noticed that an excellent midfielder like Gabi has never appeared for Spain "A". He has won as a protagonist some of the most important titles for Atlético de Madrid:
  • La Liga: 2013–14
  • Copa del Rey: 2012–13
  • Supercopa de España: 2014
  • UEFA Europa League: 2011–12, 2017–18
  • UEFA Super Cup: 2012
Too many strong competitors for him in Spain's midfield over the last years.
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September 16th, 2018, 5:36 am #34

Aílton  was another very good striker who never appeared for his national team. He managed to score 106 goals in the German Bundesliga, winning the title with Werder Bremen in 2003/04. In 2004 he also became the first foreign player to attain the "Footballer of the Year in Germany" honour. But he never appeared for Brazil, due to the strong competition in Brazil's attack at that time (Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Adriano etc... etc...).
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September 16th, 2018, 6:54 am #35

Luca wrote:I have just noticed that an excellent midfielder like Gabi has never appeared for Spain "A". He has won as a protagonist some of the most important titles for Atlético de Madrid:

Too many strong competitors for him in Spain's midfield over the last years.
Maybe then Qatar could become his national team, worked (temporarily) for Emerson Sheik, who knows what the rules are on that now though...
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September 16th, 2018, 1:59 pm #36

I predict Gabi Qatar's captain at Qatar 2022.
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