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Combined National Teams

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February 1st, 2014, 11:15 am #1

With the recent 'team twinning' deal between Ellan Vannin and Darfur, I was wondering if there have been other similar arrangements in international football, also for nations that have joined forces to put out a combined team (not sure if it would actually happen with the above but who knows).
Great Britain at the 2012 Olympic Games and the British Caribbean team of the 1950's spring to mind, but going a little smaller there was an example from the 1930's with Chile-Peru: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89quipe_du_Chili-P%C3%A9rou_de_football, which is mainly the type of thing I'm interested in hearing about if anyone has any more examples. 
From a different sport, and in honour of 'big american unmissable event™' this weekend, one word to sum up the premise... Steagles.
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February 1st, 2014, 11:22 am #2

How about the Combinado Pacifico, which was a Peru-Chile combination that made a World Tour in 1933-34?
In 1891 a Canada-USA combination toured to the British Isles.
On 14-07-1925 a match Estonia 1-2 Austria/Finland.
Actually former USSR and CIS were combined national teams as well as RCS in 1993.
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February 1st, 2014, 11:42 am #3

I assume you're asking more for particular double acts, and not so much forcharity/gala matches such as "Wales vs Rest of the UK", "Nordic XI vs USSR2, or "The Three" vs "The Six", "Europe vs the Rest of the World", and also All-Star teams such as Asian All-Stars, Caribbean All-Stars, which had various outings over the years.

And more obvious cases, such as CIS, RCS, Serbia and Montenegro (the 2006 World Cup was just *after* the two had officially decided to separate).

How about the Dutch Antilles? Aruba and Curacao (and occasionally Bonaire) played separately against each other and visiting teams, but combined to play in larger tournaments for which the Netherlands Antillies association was registered. Either one island won the right to represent the whole, or they formed a combined team.

Or the Olympics when Germany entered a combined team? I think there was also a combined Korean team planned at one point.

In Hong Kong, visiting teams sometimes faced the "Combined Chinese", a combination of players from the HKFA and the CFA, effectively a combination of the national teams of Hong Kong and Republic of China.
From 1963 to 1965 Singapore was part of Malaysia, so the national team of Malaysia was formed from a combination of Singapore and Malaya (and technically of Sarawak & Sabah though none of their players were involved until the 1970s).

Also, All-Ireland 3-4 Brazil in 1973.
This is an official match for Brazil, but the Irish team was formally called "Shamrock Rovers All-Ireland XI"
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February 1st, 2014, 11:56 am #4

Can we regard Netherlands Anilles as a combined NT? At the beginning there was a Netherlands Antilles consisting of six islands: Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, Sint-Eustatius and Sint Maarten which used to be called (Gebiedsdeel) Curaçao until 1948 and Netherlands Antilles from 1948. In 1986 Aruba obtained a Status Aparte and became with Netherlands Antilles a country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In 2010 the Netherlands Antilles dissolved, so Sint-Maarten became another country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Also keep in mind i.e. Curaçao had internationally (until 2010) a
different status as i.e. the Russian SFSR (until 1991), Bonaire i.e. a
different status as i.e. Georgian SSR.
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February 1st, 2014, 1:19 pm #5

Fast Midfielder - The 'Combinado Pacifico' was the team I linked to in the first post. Austria-Finland definitely seems the most unusual.
nfm24 - There has in fact been a Korea team, played for 4 matches at this tournament: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_FIFA_World_Youth_Championship. And any suggestions are fine, it is interesting to see some of the teams that have temporarily existed over the years. The Dutch Antilles' 'winner represents' seems like the obvious solution to the 'Team GB' controversy for future Olympics should any of the Home Nations 'qualify'...
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February 1st, 2014, 4:19 pm #6

nfm24 wrote:
How about the Dutch Antilles? Aruba and Curacao (and occasionally Bonaire) played separately against each other and visiting teams, but combined to play in larger tournaments for which the Netherlands Antillies association was registered. Either one island won the right to represent the whole, or they formed a combined team.
The island winning the inter-island triangular didn't win the right to represent the NA, but the right to compose the national selection for a certain campaign. Each time tha NAVU (NA FA) determined the number of players for each island in the selection, but each island had to be represented by at least one player. However, on some occasions the national team was represented by only one island, mostly when time was too short to play a triangular and prepair together.
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February 1st, 2014, 4:22 pm #7

Sensini wrote:
The island winning the inter-island triangular didn't win the right to represent the NA, but the right to compose the national selection for a certain campaign. Each time tha NAVU (NA FA) determined the number of players for each island in the selection, but each island had to be represented by at least one player. However, on some occasions the national team was represented by only one island, mostly when time was too short to play a triangular and prepair together.
From all six (since 1986 five) islands? Or from Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire (in the 1986-2010 era Aruba and Bonaire)?
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February 1st, 2014, 9:46 pm #8

Yes I was giving a simplified summary ;-)
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February 2nd, 2014, 4:50 am #9

Hopefully, a Palestine/Israel combined team. That will be a happy day for sport.
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February 2nd, 2014, 7:26 am #10

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Sensini wrote:
The island winning the inter-island triangular didn't win the right to represent the NA, but the right to compose the national selection for a certain campaign. Each time tha NAVU (NA FA) determined the number of players for each island in the selection, but each island had to be represented by at least one player. However, on some occasions the national team was represented by only one island, mostly when time was too short to play a triangular and prepair together.
From all six (since 1986 five) islands? Or from Aruba, Curaçao and Bonaire (in the 1986-2010 era Aruba and Bonaire)?
Just Aruba (till 1986), Curaçao and Bonaire, although for the Kingdom Games in 1995 also Sint Maarten played in the selection mathces (Amigoe, 21 June 1995), but that was just for youth teams.In 1989 the squad was selected directly by a technical staff (Amigoe, 9 February 1989). However one year later the old formula was re-intorduced (Amigoe, 19 March 1990).
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February 2nd, 2014, 12:18 pm #11

HM_IRAQ told me about an "Arab national team" which was organized in 1965 by an Egyptian radio station. They played some games vs Egyptian clubs and were going to play the winner of the Pan-Arab Games but that was cancelled. The squad was pretty strong, including top players from Sudan, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Jordan, and even a Yemeni and a Palestinian who were both playing in Egypt.

There was also a combined Gulf XI which played a few exhibition matches over the years, e.g. 0-1 vs Manchester United and 5-5 vs Hamburg
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February 2nd, 2014, 5:07 pm #12

What about IFA and FAI selections before 1950?
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February 2nd, 2014, 5:32 pm #13

Indeed, though it was not really a case of two teams combining, but rather two teams remaining separate, but selecting from an overlapping pool of players.
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February 2nd, 2014, 5:57 pm #14

Fast Midfielder wrote:
Can we regard Netherlands Anilles as a combined NT? At the beginning there was a Netherlands Antilles consisting of six islands: Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, Sint-Eustatius and Sint Maarten which used to be called (Gebiedsdeel) Curaçao until 1948 and Netherlands Antilles from 1948. In 1986 Aruba obtained a Status Aparte and became with Netherlands Antilles a country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In 2010 the Netherlands Antilles dissolved, so Sint-Maarten became another country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Also keep in mind i.e. Curaçao had internationally (until 2010) a
different status as i.e. the Russian SFSR (until 1991), Bonaire i.e. a
different status as i.e. Georgian SSR.
Saba, Sint-Eustatius and Sint Maarten were never part of NAVU. The other three had separate associations. At least Aruba and Curaçao did before NAVU was formed. For the Olympics, NA had a joint committee and they could select from all over the islands I believe.
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October 12th, 2014, 5:36 am #15

Also the United Arab Republic of the 1950s and 1960s could be defined a combined National team (Egypt + Syria), even if players generally came from Egypt only. Under this name, however, Egypt conquered the 1959 African Nations Cup.
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October 12th, 2014, 6:03 am #16

SDb wrote:
The other three had separate associations. At least Aruba and Curaçao did before NAVU was formed. For the Olympics, NA had a joint committee and they could select from all over the islands I believe.
These separate associations were under the NAVU umbrella.
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October 12th, 2014, 6:05 am #17

Luca wrote:
Also the United Arab Republic of the 1950s and 1960s could be defined a combined National team (Egypt + Syria), even if players generally came from Egypt only. Under this name, however, Egypt conquered the 1959 African Nations Cup.
In this case we can consider i.e. USA a combined NT as well as USSR (1917-91) and even Germany (before 1945).
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October 12th, 2014, 10:11 am #18

I'd say no, the situations for each are unique (I'm presuming by USA you mean the 50 states? Or years when places like Alaska were only American territories?), but I'm definitely looking more along the lines of Chile-Peru than UAR, which was an official team in its own right.
On the USSR point, though, did any of their SSRs ever play matches alone or together?
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October 12th, 2014, 1:48 pm #19

mattsanger92 wrote:
On the USSR point, though, did any of their SSRs ever play matches alone or together?
Well from here on you can read about, I think. It's in this topic, which has more posts about this.
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October 12th, 2014, 6:27 pm #20

Luca wrote:
Hopefully, a Palestine/Israel combined team. That will be a happy day for sport.
It already happened in Australian Rules Football (they have a combined national team).  I think a better (but still happy) day would be Israel playing against Palestine, both as independent states, and with no trouble.
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October 12th, 2014, 6:28 pm #21

"Rest of the UK" would be an interesting partial national team based on 3 separate associations playing together to play the 4th association. They played a few matches (my memory fails me, but I believe they played Wales, at least).
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October 12th, 2014, 7:20 pm #22

TheRoonBa wrote:
Luca wrote:
Hopefully, a Palestine/Israel combined team. That will be a happy day for sport.
... I think a better (but still happy) day would be Israel playing against Palestine, both as independent states, and with no trouble.
After The Enlightenment there will be no trouble.
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November 4th, 2014, 5:43 am #23

On December 16, 1998 Italy faced a team called "FIFA All-Stars" for the century of FIGC.This match is considered full official by the Italian FA. "FIFA All-Stars" was a combined team, as they fielded 19 players from 15 different countries.
Some highlights:
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August 7th, 2016, 3:08 pm #24

TheRoonBa wrote:
"Rest of the UK" would be an interesting partial national team based on 3 separate associations playing together to play the 4th association. They played a few matches (my memory fails me, but I believe they played Wales, at least).
Looks like your memory doesn't fail (or at least didn't back then), Rest of the UK played Wales on two occasions.
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December 10th, 2016, 7:30 pm #25

[from other thread] I remember a table football world cup where there was a combined "national team" of "Wales & Iran" due to neither country having a complete team.

There was a also a friendly after the 1959 Asian Cup qualifiers in Singapore, presumably played to try to recoup the shortfall of fixture receipts when Burma withdrew at short notice. The Malaya and Singapore teams combined to play against South Vietnam, who won 2-0.
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September 28th, 2017, 4:03 pm #26

Not a national team but a possible regional team created by joining forces, namely the age-old enemies of Borussia Dortmund and FC Schalke, allegedly planning to combine for a match against the Polish national team in May 2018 to commemorate the end of German hard coal mining.

The "Kohlespiel" is getting a lot of controversy anyway for the very idea of those two teaming up, in my case it's the idea of it being a club vs country game rather than a unique region v country affair (even if the 'region' players will be representing more 'Isle of Man' style than 'Ellan Vannin'). An early name suggestion that they can feel free to use: "Metropolregion Rhine-Ruhr Nord/Nordost", or a more boring alternative "North Rhine-Westphalia - Gelsenkirchen and Dortmund".

Either way it not being against a FIFA member plays in well to Poland's gaming of the ranking system...
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November 14th, 2017, 6:18 pm #27

Not that anything should be read into these completely scientific and accurate opinion polls, but apparently 73% of RTE viewers want to see a Unified Ireland national team. I'm presuming the true acid test here (amongst several hurdles in the way) would be to ask the Northern Irish public the same question.
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November 15th, 2017, 3:06 pm #28

It would be to ask the IFA (and FAI) committees.    Democracy hasn't yet completely infiltrated smoky old boardrooms.
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November 15th, 2017, 4:06 pm #29

Well the acid test of whether it would be a popular idea anyway.

I see no reason why they can't go rugby/cricket-style on the odd occasion and combine like Team GB as long as their individual statuses are protected (same with other potential combi-national teams like Scandinavia). But unfortunately I'm not the person in charge of these things, the people who are would be extremely better/worse equipped depending on who you ask, and almost definitely more petty.

If they're at a stalemate then the Irish are good at creating their own sports, so have an alternative to chess boxing called 'golf MMA' that the executives can gamble on or something, McGregor v McIlroy for the decision. Eddie Irvine can referee.
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November 15th, 2017, 4:11 pm #30

Perhaps, instead of combining, they should annihiliate each other.   It would be a shame to lose the Ulstermen, what with all the Healy-based joy they gave us, but it's a price worth paying to be rid of the potato blight.
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