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Joined: January 20th, 2009, 11:52 pm

November 23rd, 2016, 11:43 am #1

China's answer to the Kirin Cup will take place for the first time in January.
China will take part as hosts, the three invited teams are Chile,Croatia, and Iceland.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

November 23rd, 2016, 4:15 pm #2

China did have some similar tournaments e.g. Great Wall Cup back in the 1970s-80s, but then seem to have gone off the idea.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

November 24th, 2016, 4:41 pm #3

Croatia and Chile should find this quite easy if they take their best players (which they might not).
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

November 24th, 2016, 5:04 pm #4

I predict none of the best players will be involved for the 3 visitors.
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Joined: May 31st, 2014, 1:38 pm

January 18th, 2017, 12:58 am #5

HELLO, why did they consider that the NT of Croatia in the China Cup, was not A teams?
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

January 18th, 2017, 6:42 pm #6

Who is "they"?

FIFA considered it an A team.
Croatia FA considered it an A team.
I did not consider it an A team.

The simple reason for me - Croatia did not send their A team. Almost all of the players had zero previous appearances for Croatia. The same for China. Chile and Iceland sent a few more A team players, so I counted their match as an A match.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 18th, 2017, 7:36 pm #7

"A match" and "A team" are different. According to FIFA at least.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

January 19th, 2017, 2:33 am #8

FIFA has to consider it a A team as Croatia FA does...
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 19th, 2017, 5:03 pm #9

Well, FIFA's logic on these matters is about as secure as a central defensive pairing of Rafa Márquez and David Luiz.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 19th, 2017, 5:12 pm #10

Speaking of which, I would like to see the following lineup take the field:
-----------------Bravo-----------------
Lahm R.Márquez D.Luiz Bale-------------Pirlo---Xavi--------------
O.Abdulrahman Valdivia Riquelme
-----------------Zlatan-----------------

With Maradona as manager.

With such a lineup, whichever side has the ball will almost certainly score. Hence football becomes like basketball, or handball.
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

January 20th, 2017, 3:43 pm #11

On football games where a World All-Star team is an option, my tactics and the limited number of defensive players in those game-created squads end up making me shift Bale to left-back purely for being the most known quantity in that position.
Not sure why you have Lahm in there though, pretty reliable player. How about Ashley Young?
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

January 21st, 2017, 7:24 am #12

I can't believe the selection of Lahm was the first problem you found in that lineup :-)
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

October 18th, 2017, 10:16 am #13

The sequel, China Cup 2[018]: Dragon Buddies, is currently in development. Hopefully Bhutan get invited too...
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October 23rd, 2017, 6:15 am #14

Surely Wales don't want to jeopardise their high ranking by playing friendlies?
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

October 23rd, 2017, 3:05 pm #15

The next time the FIFA Rankings are going to be needed for Wales is at least 2020. Besides, friendlies were played in the build-up to Euro 2016 (none of them won), that approach seems to be a matter of timing.

Also, depending on how the new Nations League matches are counted (that is, if they're all classed as friendlies by FIFA), 'gaming the system' could be relatively nullified for everyone in Europe...
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

December 1st, 2017, 8:06 am #16

Forget the World Cup, the real biggest tournament draw happened earlier today for the 2018 China Cup:

🇺🇾 v 🇨🇿
🇨🇳 v [redactedWAL]
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

March 22nd, 2018, 4:23 pm #17

Sooo... can I change my opinion on Giggs to "hate the man, love his work"? How much of that work is actually his this early on though... 🤔
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

March 22nd, 2018, 5:30 pm #18

China is really terrible at the moment - for a country that is trying to be among the elite, the national team seem to be going backwards.  They don't seem to be able to compete with decent teams - losing 0-4 at home to Colombia in November as well.
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Joined: February 9th, 2011, 2:58 pm

March 23rd, 2018, 5:34 am #19

Considering demographic and economic potentialities, China is probably the most underperforming country in football. I would like to see if Uruguay had 1,400,000,000 inhabitants: they'd win every World Cup.
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Joined: April 5th, 2012, 10:54 am

March 23rd, 2018, 6:22 am #20

Glad to see I'm not the only one having Abe Jones withdrawal symptoms.

Maybe it's because they focus too much on badminton and table tennis...
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 23rd, 2018, 6:29 pm #21

I wonder how long it will be before China has more continental titles than Taiwan.
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March 23rd, 2018, 6:30 pm #22

mattsanger92 wrote:Sooo... can I change my opinion on Giggs to "hate the man, love his work"? How much of that work is actually his this early on though...
Surely Giggs must now be fast-tracked directly to Sunderland.
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Joined: October 31st, 2006, 5:16 pm

March 26th, 2018, 7:26 am #23

I thought China had been stung by the criticism they received here, and they led 1-0 at half-time against Czechia - but then they reverted to type and lost 4 in the second half.

I think China should perhaps aim a bit lower when selecting teams to invite for the next edition, but then I doubt Chinese fans will want to see Estonia, Curaçao and Congo.

What is best - watching your team lose heavily against 2nd-rate teams, or watching your team win against 5th-rate teams?
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

March 26th, 2018, 8:30 am #24

another question: will Wales be the first Euopean team that can beat a South American team in this period? Why are S.American teams so much stronger (in friendlies)?
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Joined: April 5th, 2012, 10:54 am

March 26th, 2018, 9:35 am #25

Also Concacaf not doing too bad: Mexico beat Iceland and Costa Rica beat Scotland (but Panama lost to Denmark)
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 26th, 2018, 4:07 pm #26

TheRoonBa wrote:I think China should perhaps aim a bit lower when selecting teams to invite for the next edition
Alex McLeish is already on the phone.
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Joined: November 3rd, 2006, 11:49 am

March 27th, 2018, 2:02 am #27

Curacao the only team that can beat a South American opponent....
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Joined: February 9th, 2011, 2:58 pm

March 27th, 2018, 3:31 am #28

These are just friendlies: it's the World Cup South America should win. Their last success was in 2002: it's their longest period of failures in the history of the World Cup.
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Joined: July 4th, 2011, 6:46 am

March 27th, 2018, 9:21 am #29

nfm24 wrote:
mattsanger92 wrote:Sooo... can I change my opinion on Giggs to "hate the man, love his work"? How much of that work is actually his this early on though...
Surely Giggs must now be fast-tracked directly to Sunderland.
🙏... if only to restore my faith in the idea that people get the jobs they deserve, between Coleman and Giggs that sense has been a bit off lately.
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Joined: August 4th, 2012, 4:06 pm

March 29th, 2018, 8:11 am #30

Luca wrote: Considering demographic and economic potentialities, China is probably the most underperforming country in football. I would like to see if Uruguay had 1,400,000,000 inhabitants: they'd win every World Cup.
Just for the record, China is not actually the most inefficient in football after economics are considered, but they are pretty bad. (:
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Joined: November 13th, 2017, 8:43 am

March 29th, 2018, 9:59 am #31

abramjones wrote:
Luca wrote: Considering demographic and economic potentialities, China is probably the most underperforming country in football. I would like to see if Uruguay had 1,400,000,000 inhabitants: they'd win every World Cup.
Just for the record, China is not actually the most inefficient in football after economics are considered, but they are pretty bad. (:
Could India potentially be the most inefficient team?


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Joined: August 4th, 2012, 4:06 pm

March 30th, 2018, 11:45 am #32

Eagles19 wrote:
abramjones wrote:
Luca wrote: Considering demographic and economic potentialities, China is probably the most underperforming country in football. I would like to see if Uruguay had 1,400,000,000 inhabitants: they'd win every World Cup.
Just for the record, China is not actually the most inefficient in football after economics are considered, but they are pretty bad. (:
Could India potentially be the most inefficient team?


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*these rankings don't include any countries with less than 11 counted matches, so technically there are some worse than them

Under current specifications, according to my rankings... which considers economics, here are the most inefficient countries in football:

2017:
#150: Puerto Rico (baseball and basketball country)
#151: Bhutan
#152: Djibouti
#153: India (cricket and kabaddi country)
#154: Singapore (sepak takraw country)
#155: Malaysia (sepak takraw country)
#156: Cambodia
#157: Indonesia (sepak takraw country)
#158: Taiwan (baseball country)
#159: Macau

China was ranked #147

Recent Decades (1992-2018)
#188: American Samoa (american football country)
#189: British Virgin Islands (cricket country)
#190: United States Virgin Islands (basketball country)
#191: India (cricket and kabaddi country)
#192: Cambodia
#193: Guam (american football country)
#194: Taiwan (baseball country)
#195: Pakistan (cricket and kabaddi country)
#196: Macau
#197: Brunei (sepak takraw country)

China was ranked #145

Cold War (1946-1991)
#109: Puerto Rico (baseball and basketball country)
#109: Thailand (sepak takraw country)
#110: Pakistan (cricket and kabaddi country)
#111: Singapore
#112: Japan (baseball country)
#113: Nepal (cricket country)
#114: Indonesia (sepak takraw country)
#115: India (cricket and kabaddi country)
#116: Panama (baseball and basketball country)
#117: Bangladesh (cricket country)
#118: United States (american football, baseball, basketball, and ice hockey country)

China was ranked #95

So really not that big of a difference... maybe my defense of China was a little premature. They rank much better in basketball which is their 2nd most popular sport.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 30th, 2018, 3:03 pm #33

When you label e.g. Singapore as a takraw country, what is your threshold for doing so?
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Joined: August 4th, 2012, 4:06 pm

March 31st, 2018, 2:29 am #34

nfm24 wrote: When you label e.g. Singapore as a takraw country, what is your threshold for doing so?
Pure bias. 😂 Not really, but Singapore is known as a Sepak Takraw country to a degree as most of the countries in that region are... not saying it is the most popular there.
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

March 31st, 2018, 8:48 am #35

OK.   I thought that perhaps there was some data underlying the ranking, at least the parentheses about the other sports.  There's some data about Singapore sport popularity here for example:  https://www.sportsingapore.gov.sg/about ... -singapore
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Joined: August 4th, 2012, 4:06 pm

April 3rd, 2018, 2:41 pm #36

nfm24 wrote: OK.   I thought that perhaps there was some data underlying the ranking, at least the parentheses about the other sports.  There's some data about Singapore sport popularity here for example:  https://www.sportsingapore.gov.sg/about ... -singapore
There is underlying data for the rankings and ratings, those are the Elo ratings on my website at time of publication. The information in parenthesis was just based on my own knowledge of the sports that those countries are good at.
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Joined: December 26th, 2008, 11:44 am

April 3rd, 2018, 2:47 pm #37

Luca wrote: Considering demographic and economic potentialities, China is probably the most underperforming country in football. I would like to see if Uruguay had 1,400,000,000 inhabitants: they'd win every World Cup.
How about Italy, Holland, Scotland and San Marino?
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Joined: April 7th, 2007, 12:28 pm

April 3rd, 2018, 5:51 pm #38

I think China might struggle to beat San Marino by more than a goal or two.
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