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Champions Cup

mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

10 Apr 2017, 18:31 #1

Interesting bit of news from India - a new 4-team international mini-tournament will be held in August ambitiously named the 'Champions Cup'. Would have been nice to see the word 'International' stuck in front of it but unfortunately that's already taken.
Guest teams joining India for the tournament are unconfirmed but apparently they're asking around Asia, North America, and Africa...
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Kaizeler
Joined: 05 Apr 2012, 14:54

10 Apr 2017, 20:57 #2

"India focus on climbing FIFA rankings"... by creating a friendly tournament. You're doing it wrong.
Perhaps the plan is to sabotage the teams slightly above India in the rankings, making them lose points...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

10 Apr 2017, 21:01 #3

When India hosted the Nehru tournament in the 80s and 90s, they invited genuinely good national teams (until the last couple of editions) and went on a long run of consecutive defeats in the tournament. Their competitiveness on Asian terms also went downhill in the same period.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

22 Jul 2017, 11:54 #4

All matches of the tournament to be held in Chennai, and confirmed teams are India, Afghanistan, and St Lucia, with ongoing attempts to invite an African nation as team #4. Cutting it a bit fine getting the last team if the tournament is only a few weeks away...
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

03 Aug 2017, 06:51 #5

it seems to be Mauritius and St Kitts...any chance that the fourth team will come from Oceania?
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

04 Aug 2017, 19:15 #6

pieter wrote: it seems to be Mauritius and St Kitts...any chance that the fourth team will come from Oceania?
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

06 Aug 2017, 10:56 #7

Latest line-up of invitees seems to be Saint Kitts and Nevis, Mauritius, and Afghanistan - really cutting it fine for a tournament that's starting in two weeks...
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

06 Aug 2017, 12:53 #8

why is it called "Champions cup"? 
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Kaizeler
Joined: 05 Apr 2012, 14:54

06 Aug 2017, 20:57 #9

Because one team will win and become champions? Or maybe some committee decided it sounded trendy. It's the same thing with McDonald's: if they had called their menu "Sad Meal" then the kids wouldn't want it.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

07 Aug 2017, 16:40 #10

In the end, it will be a 3-nations tournament - India, Mauritius and Saint Kitts & Nevis.  Better than nothing I suppose.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

07 Aug 2017, 17:28 #11

better than nothing, I agree, it is a confederations cup for small countries without Oceania or a European minnow....
St Kitts is very busy on the intercontinental scene....
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SDb
Joined: 24 Jan 2013, 10:10

09 Aug 2017, 19:49 #12

pieter wrote: better than nothing, I agree, it is a confederations cup for small countries without Oceania or a European minnow....
St Kitts is very busy on the intercontinental scene....
Interesting, where are they getting the funds for all the travel? Or are they actually using their FIFA funds for football..
www.soccer-db.info - football internationals
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

10 Aug 2017, 10:45 #13

Tournament is no longer called the Champions Cup (it doesn't seem to have a name now).  Also, it has been moved from Chennai to Mumbai.

Great organisation...
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

10 Aug 2017, 10:55 #14

SDb wrote:Interesting, where are they getting the funds for all the travel? Or are they actually using their FIFA funds for football..
Perish the thought.

But they do receive $1.25m/year from FIFA and stuff like this is exactly the type of thing it's supposed to encourage, so credit to them for being standard-bearers like that (unless they found a generous wealthy backer to fund all this in which case also congratulations), well done 🇰🇳. Same could also be said of 🇪🇪 with all their recent/upcoming exotic matches, have they played 🇽🇰 yet to maintain their UEFA record?

I feel a new thread coming on soon, one to praise teams like that who are showing the rest how it can/should be done on the international stage, and simultaneously shame the ones that aren't.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

10 Aug 2017, 10:58 #15

TheRoonBa wrote: Tournament is no longer called the Champions Cup (it doesn't seem to have a name now).  Also, it has been moved from Chennai to Mumbai.

Great organisation...
I didn't even predict it would get on the slippery slope like this (always like to give the benefit of the doubt), but the warning signs were there, late changes can happen but the bulk of this tournament (teams, venue, etc.) should have been set in stone at least a month or two in advance, especially considering some of the travel distances involved for the invitees.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

10 Aug 2017, 20:31 #16

Shambles.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

11 Aug 2017, 09:36 #17

nfm24 wrote:Shambles.
Many Indians are thinking it will be a walk in the park due to the FIFA rankings (India is currently 97th, which is laughable, with SKN 125th and Mauritius 160th).  In the eloratings, SKN is 149, India is 168 and Mauritius is 184 - probably a better representation of the current strengths of these teams.

They quite recently beat Puerto Rico 4-1 in an "exotic" friendly, but Puerto Rico had had a terrible time travelling from what I've read, and didn't get much time before the match to acclimatise.

Perhaps this is the new technique for Indian football - invite teams that have to travel long distances, make things a bit quirky by changing the schedule at the last minute, then hope by the time they turn up, they will be tired and listless, thus resulting in large Indian victories, which can further fuel the mistaken belief that India is becoming a footballing superpower.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

11 Aug 2017, 09:42 #18

Fixtures have been announced, finally.  At least we get 3 "unusual" match-ups.
19 August : India vs Mauritius
22 August : St Kitts & Nevis vs Mauritius
24 August : India vs St. Kitts & Nevis.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

11 Aug 2017, 19:58 #19

TheRoonBa wrote:Perhaps this is the new technique for Indian football - invite teams that have to travel long distances, make things a bit quirky by changing the schedule at the last minute, then hope by the time they turn up, they will be tired and listless, thus resulting in large Indian victories, which can further fuel the mistaken belief that India is becoming a footballing superpower.
And if all else fails, exaggerate the truth to achieve a similar effect.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

21 Aug 2017, 08:11 #20

And the budget for this crappy 3-match tournament exceeds the entire annual budget for the women's national team...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/football/ ... 4hBiK.html
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

21 Aug 2017, 19:42 #21

TheRoonBa wrote: And the budget for this crappy 3-match tournament exceeds the entire annual budget for the women's national team...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/football/ ... 4hBiK.html
Turn India's flag 🇮🇳 90 degrees clockwise, remove the wheel, and bam, Ireland 🇮🇪.

Coincidence? Lets just say for the next extreme bouts of sexist national team funding disparity we should keep an eye on Niger 🇳🇪 and Ivory Coast 🇨🇮...



On a slightly different topic though, fair play to Stephen Constantine in an article linked in your one, quoted as saying:

"I've not had the opportunity to be at a big club for people to say: 'Yeah, he can handle it'.

"What's to handle? Do you think there's less pressure on me in a country (India) of 1.3 billion people than if I managed a Championship club or a Premier League club. No, I'm sorry, that's not pressure."
Unfortunately the existence of cricket means that the '1.3 billion' part won't be taken too seriously should the words reach mainstream British media (not that they would be regardless of a population figure). And I think due to the nature of international and club football the pressure probably is greater at clubs mainly due to the sheer knee-jerk lunacy surrounding them (but also just because more games are played), but definitely not in a 'Stephen Constantine couldn't hack it at Reading' kind of way.

But full kudos to him for the effort 👍, might even help to neutralise the place I forgot to give India in the hall of shame...
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