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Joined: December 27th, 2007, 11:56 pm

January 9th, 2008, 11:25 pm #1

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I was just down there for a week. I was in Placencia, which is on the East Coast and in the south. It's a tiny town so they have a combined team with another town called Independence across the Bay. They are called Tex Mar and have now won 9 consecutive games, outscoring their opponents 31-0 in the process. I went to their game Saturday night against Punta Gorda and learned as much as I could about the game in Belize.
Here is what I know..... There are 2 leagues. One is a semi-pro league whose champion moves on to UNCAF and CCC qualifiers. Tex Mar is in not in this league. They are in a league called the Super League. Apparently they left the Semi-pro league because this Super League has a higher reward attached to it. There is no promotion and relegation between the leagues. I think the Super League is not affiliated with FIFA.
I would be very interested to learn more about the structure in Belize. If anyone is an expert please write as much about this subject as you can.
well can someone asnwer this because im curious also.
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Joined: January 3rd, 2007, 10:49 am

January 10th, 2008, 3:01 pm #2

Well the Super League is not actually part of the Belize FA but a separate organisation. Seems it's a bit of a split away league but thats all i can gather at the moment.
Heres the wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_of_Belize
Heres the FFB email they might give you some information but maybe not since they are not affilated.
ffbinfo@belizefootball.com
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Joined: November 2nd, 2006, 5:03 pm

January 10th, 2008, 5:39 pm #3

Belize have to play World Cup qualifier "home" match in Guatemala !
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January 11th, 2008, 11:42 pm #4

Belize v El Salvador on 23 Jan
but this match will play in Belize...
why will they play "home" match in Guatemala ?
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January 12th, 2008, 9:46 am #5

I guess FIFA have other requirements for a FIFA World Cup qualifier for the field and security.
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January 22nd, 2008, 5:47 pm #6

Belize - El Salvador 0-1
I feel sorry for Belize , still with 0 FIFA ranking points but the results are not that bad...
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February 3rd, 2008, 8:29 am #7

BELMOPAN, Belize: The government has announced that Belize is boycotting the upcoming World Cup qualifying football match to be held in Guatemala City on February 6,2008 between Belize and St Kitts and Nevis. The government has called on players not to attend the game.
Prime Minister Said Musa has said that to play the game in Guatemala City would be an insult to the sovereignty of Belize, especially since the game is being termed a “home” game.
Since players may be financially affected by their decision not to play, the government is calling on the private sector to collaborate with government in ensuring that players will be adequately compensated for any financial loss.
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/spor...&category_id=8
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February 3rd, 2008, 8:42 am #8

The government announced they were boycotting FIFA and the UDP and members of the community vocally opposed Belize playing the home game of its World Cup qualifying match in Guatemala. But Football Federation of Belize President Dr. Bertie Chimilio has remained steadfast – and the 20 member national football selection will leave Belize for Guatemala City sometime this weekend.
And it’s in Guatemala City on Wednesday afternoon, February 6th that they will play against St. Kitts at the Mateo Flores Stadium. The roster of players include Carlos Slusher, Shane Orio, Deon McCauley, Deon Frazer, Harrison Roches, and Ryan Simpson. The coach is Palmino Salas. The team spent the end of this week playing test matches in the Peten area of Guatemala. They reportedly won one game and it was a draw in the second.
Again the home game cannot be played in Belize because none of our stadiums meet FIFA’s standards for security and infrastructure. Football Federation of Belize President Dr. Bertie Chimilio has maintained that it would have taken less than two hundred thousand dollars to repair the Carl Ramos Stadium in Dangriga. The FFB says government dragged its feet and that’s why the stadium isn’t ready
http://www.7newsbelize.com/index.php#story1
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March 5th, 2008, 6:45 pm #9

Apparently, Belize played matches before their supposed debut in 1995. Their first match was reported as being 8th December 1983. Anybody know anything more about this?
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March 6th, 2008, 12:54 pm #10

I have Cuba-Belize 0-0 in 1946 but I cannot have any confirmation about this result. My Cuba Correspondent send me a lot of Cuba matches , but I am really not sure about this....
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January 3rd, 2009, 5:31 am #11

please can you send me the Cuba result matches?
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January 3rd, 2009, 6:05 am #12

1939
1.6.8.Panama: Panama-Cub 0-4
194O
1.13.3.Habana: Cub-Haiti 2-1 (CAG) Lopez, Jimenez
2.19.3. " : Cub-Mexico 3-4 (CAG) Lopez (2), Saint
3.26.5.Bogota: Colombia-Cub 1-0 *
4.28.5 " : Ecuador-Cub 2-1 * Perea
5.12.11.Havana: Cub-P.Rico 1-1 Lopez
6.22.12 " : Cub-Chili 2-3 * Lopez (2)
1941
1.18.1.Havana: Cub-Panama O-2
2.26.1.Panama: Panama-Cub O-O
3.12.12.Los Angeles: Mexico-Cub 4-O *



1942
1.26.1.Havana: Cub-P.Rico 1-O Verdecia
2.29.1 " : Cub-P.Rico 1-O Lopez
3.26.7.Cali: Honduras-Cub O-O (CAG)
4.29.7 " : Venezuela-Cub 1-O (CAG) *
5.3.8 " : Salvador-Cub 1-4 (CAG) Verdecia(2),
Torrente, Nunez
6.5.8 " : Mexico-Cub 1-0 (CAG) *
1943
1.26.2.Havana: Cub-Jamaica O-O
2.2.3 " : Cub-Jamaica O-1
1944
1.17.5. P of Spain: Trinidad-Cub O-O
2.19.5. " : Trinidad-Cub 1-O
3.10.12.Havana: Cub-Mexico 1-1 (HC) *Gomez
4.12.12. " : Cub-Guatemala O-1 (HC)
5.14.12. " : Cub-Salvador 0-2 (HC)
1946
1.10.8.Barranquilla: C.Rica-Cub 3-O (CAG)
2.12.8 " : Honduras-Cub 2-O (CAG)
3.14.8 " : Belize-Cub O-O (CAG)
1947
1.12.1.Camaguey: Cub-Venezuela O-1 *
2.15.1 " : Cub-Venezuela O-O *
3.18.3.Caracas: Venezuela-Cub 3-O *
4.22.3 " : Venezuela-Cub 1-O *
5.26.5.Havana: Cub-Honduras 1-O (CC) Nunez
6.3O.5 " : Cub-Guatemala 3-O (CC) Nunez(2), Verdecia
7.17.7 " : Cub-Mexico 1-3 (NAC) Minsal
8.2O.7 " : Cub-USA 5-2 (NAC) Pito 2,
Carnerita, Rico 2
9.6.12.Santiago: Cub-P.Rico 4-O Verdecia(2),
Andrade, Gil
10.1O.12 " : Cub-P.Rico O-O
1948
1.12.3.Havana: Cub-Panama 1-1 Ramirez
2.14.3 " : Cub-Panama 1-O Ramirez
3.16.3 " : Cub-Venezuela O-O *
4.18.3 " : Cub-Venezuela 4-O * Darcourt(2), Alvarez, Gomez
5.23.5 " : Cub-Peru O-2 *
6.27.5 " : Cub-Peru O-1 *
7.31.5 " : Cub-Peru O-1 *
8.2.6 " : Cub-Peru 1-1 * Lopez
9.9.6 Jamaica-Cub 3-0
10.12.6 Jamaica-Cub 1-1
1949
1.18.2.Havana: Cub-Honduras O-O
2.22.2 " : Cub-Panama 1-2 Nunez
3.3O.3.P of Spain: Trinidad-Cub 4-O
4.3.4 " : Trinidad-Cub 3-1 Domenico
5.6.5.Suriname: Canada-Cub 1-0 (KC) *
6.9.5 " : Martinique-Cub O-O (KC)
7.12.5 " : Suriname-Cub O-1 (KC) Gomez
8.14.5 " : Repub.Dom-Cub 1-0 (KC)
9.11.9.Mexico: Mexico-Cub 2-O (WC+NAC)
1O.14.9 " : Cub-USA 1-1 (WC+NAC)
11.21.9 " : USA-Cub 5-2 (WC+NAC)
12.25.9 " : Cub-Mexico O-3 (WC+NAC)
13.18.12.P au Prince:Jamaica-Cub 5-2
1950
1.26.2.Guatemala: Bermuda-Cub O-O (CAG)
2.28.2 " : Salvador-Cub 2-0 (CAG)
3.3.3 " : Guatemala-Cub 4-0 (CAG)
4.1O.11.Caracas: Venezuela-Cub 3-1 * Tabio
5.13.11 " : Venezuela-Cub 1-1 * Verdecia
6.16.11 " : Venezuela-Cub 6-O *
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January 3rd, 2009, 7:48 am #13

thank you very much, but what does the *signs mean?
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January 3rd, 2009, 9:38 am #14

Probably that the other FA doesn't recognize matches as official, but Cuba does.
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January 3rd, 2009, 9:48 am #15

mcruic wrote:Apparently, Belize played matches before their supposed debut in 1995. Their first match was reported as being 8th December 1983. Anybody know anything more about this?
I've been to Belize FA website and read this :
"The Belize National Football Association (B.N.F.A.) was founded in 1980 and was accepted into FIFA, CONCACAF and UNCAF in 1986. The B.N.F.A. continued functioning under that name until 2001 when it became known as the Football Federation of Belize (F.F.B.)"
I feel tht it is not absurd to think that Belize played matches with other NT before 1995. I'm sorry, I didn't find any.
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January 3rd, 2009, 4:51 pm #16

According to RSSSF and to Romeo Ionescu CAG 1946 in Barranquilla were played in December not in August. Honduras, Cuba and Belize (who was British Honduras then) didn't play in that competition. Maybe there was some kind of qualification earlier?
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January 4th, 2009, 5:49 am #17

To Pieter:
What is this KC?
The Suriname FA had no record of this tournament, and I just read a book about the history of football in Martinique, and there was no mention of this tournament in 1949 (the Martinique league season was playing from April-June 1949).
1949
5.6.5.Suriname: Canada-Cub 1-0 (KC) *
6.9.5 " : Martinique-Cub O-O (KC)
7.12.5 " : Suriname-Cub O-1 (KC) Gomez
8.14.5 " : Repub.Dom-Cub 1-0 (KC)


About Belize:
??/??/1926 - Guatemala 4-0 British Honduras (Belize) - Friendly (in Guatemala City)
Guatemala played with a selection of players from the clubs of the capital (Guatemala City), but on various occasions after this, Guatemala did the same and the matches were counted as full internationals.
28.10.63 - St.Ann (Jamaica) 1-3 British Honduras
Belize were on a tour of Jamaica at this time, and played other club teams, but I don't have any other results.
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January 4th, 2009, 6:03 am #18

siepacz wrote:According to RSSSF and to Romeo Ionescu CAG 1946 in Barranquilla were played in December not in August. Honduras, Cuba and Belize (who was British Honduras then) didn't play in that competition. Maybe there was some kind of qualification earlier?
They were indeed played in December. You are right, this looks like it could be a qualification tournament, with Costa Rica winning a group of 4 against Honduras, Belize and Cuba (and so qualifying for the finals in December). This means that there were perhaps other qualification tournaments (for Panama and Guatemala, Puerto Rico and Curaçao).
Possible qualifiers:
23.11.46 - Aruba 0-4 Curaçao
24.11.46 - Aruba 3-1 Curaçao
05.11.46 - El Salvador 2-3 Panama
10.11.46 - El Salvador 3-3 Panama
I think Guatemala beat Haiti in another qualifier (though I don't have any details of any results from these games if they took place.
As for Puerto Rico, I have no idea, perhaps they beat Dominican Republic?
There was also a Puerto Rico 3-1 St.Thomas (US Virgin Islands) match in May 1946 according to Pieter, I wonder if this could be part of qualification?
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January 4th, 2009, 7:57 am #19

I got this information from a Cuban correspondent about 15 years ago; I just give it but I cannot garantee this is correct.
KC was the Kings Cup in Suriname but I also never found another source to confirm this tournament....
* means that the match may not be against an national team because the S.American opponents do not mention this match, so it could be against a club team .....
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October 9th, 2010, 5:36 pm #20

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October 10th, 2010, 8:17 am #21

Guatemala-Belize 4-2. Played in San José, just outside Belize border.
Guatemala lineup:
Cristian Alvarez (Jaime Carbajal 79), Carlos Castrillo, Luis Ricardo Rodríguez, Nery Godoy and Edwin Gonzalez, Marvin Avila (Dwight Pezzarossi 64), Jonathan Marquez (William Ramirez 65), Julián Chacón (Marco Tulio Ciani 7 and Gregory Lester Ruiz (Carlos Figueroa 30), Mario Castellanos and Jonny Brown (Juan Carlos Plata 5
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March 29th, 2011, 10:44 am #22

What about the Belize-Cayman game?
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March 29th, 2011, 11:29 am #23

pieter wrote:What about the Belize-Cayman game?
Cancelled.
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March 29th, 2011, 2:24 pm #24

Anyone knows the book ?
Sports, Sin and Subversion - A book by Evan X. Hyde
it is about sports in Belize (historical ) , also about football...
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May 17th, 2011, 9:38 pm #25

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March 23rd, 2018, 8:32 am #26

Read some reports that Belize beat Grenada yesterday 4-2. However, it wasn’t on the fifa website. Was this not an A-official international match?


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March 23rd, 2018, 8:58 am #27

I think a much more likely cause of it not appearing is that FIFA is a clownfest no better than CONIFA or NFB.

In FIFA's case it's obvious that someone is being paid to maintain that list of theirs, and the person hates his job so much he can't do one thing right, ever.
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March 23rd, 2018, 6:47 pm #28

Not that I disagree with the previous post, I would just add that there are various examples of matches not appearing on FIFA for admin reasons such as not informing FIFA sufficiently in advance, as referred to in this post - and FIFA does also pay people in order to ignore them.
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March 23rd, 2018, 11:20 pm #29

A major organization shouldn’t need that much notice haha (not disagreeing with you nfm or Roonba). In no way should they have to rely on that. As an American and heavy on American sports, those organizations never ever miss on football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc. For example, yesterday espn had a link for Turks and Caicos vs Dominican Republic. Fifa still has nothing about that. In terms of FIFA, that’s embarrassing.


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March 23rd, 2018, 11:48 pm #30

It's not necessarily that nobody connected to FIFA knows that the match is happening (this is very unlikely), but rather that the match did not fulfil all the criteria to be included in FIFA's list.   

The list on FIFA's website is not a list of "all" international matches between FIFA members, but rather, a list of *approved* matches for the rankings which fulfil all the necessary criteria.   Sadly, the former is what everyone would prefer to see.

It should be easy for them to have a "supplementary" list, featuring all the matches which were expunged or omitted from the ranking list for various reasons.  But, as Kirill suggests, that would require the people working at FIFA to be interested in football.
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March 26th, 2018, 7:20 am #31

They do technically have a "supplementary" list, but it's hidden and only accessible to FIFA employees.  Also, they have half-time scores in their database, but this information is not visible on FIFA.com.

It's possible to work out which matches FIFA don't count simply be comparing other lists with theirs for contemporary matches, but it's not always possible to work out why FIFA doesn't list them (although it's usually one of 4 reasons).

1: FIFA not notified in time
2: More than 6 subs made by one or both teams
3: FIFA officials not used.
4: Insufficient days between matches (i.e. less than 3) in an international window - one of the matches is usually made unofficial.
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March 26th, 2018, 4:11 pm #32

Have there been any cases of the "two continents in the same window" rule being breached?
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March 26th, 2018, 5:58 pm #33

I'm not sure what the exact dates for the windows were, but in 2017 alone the following cases sprung up of teams playing in two different confederations within a week. I'm ignoring the intercontinental WC playoffs and some friendly matches before the Africa Cup of Nations and the Confederations Cup.

04/01 Tunisia 2-0 Uganda (in Tunisia) || 06/01 Uganda 1-0 Slovenia B (in the UAE)^
Distance between venues: 4404km / 5h

16/02 Jamaica 1-0 Honduras (in the United States) || 22/02 Ecuador 3-1 Honduras (in Ecuador)^
3905km / 4h25m

24/03 Tunisia 0-1 Cameroon (in Tunisia) || 28/03 Guinea 2-1 Cameroon (in Belgium)
1750km / 2h

31/05 Morocco 1-2 Netherlands (in Morocco) || 04/06 Netherlands 5-0 Ivory Coast (in the Netherlands)
2655km / 3h

01/06 Mexico 3-1 Ireland (in the United States) || 04/06 Ireland 3-1 Uruguay (in Ireland)
5127km / 5h50m

02/06 Chile 3-0 Burkina Faso (in Chile) || 09/06 Russia 1-1 Chile (in Russia)
14117km / 15h55m

02/06 France 5-0 Paraguay (in France) || 08/06 Peru 1-0 Paraguay (in Peru)
9748km / 11h

02/06 Nicaragua 0-1 Bolivia (in Nicaragua) || 07/06 Bolivia 3-2 Nicaragua (in Bolivia)
4513km / 5h05m

04/06 Netherlands 5-0 Ivory Coast (in the Netherlands) || 10/06 Ivory Coast 2-3 Guinea (in the Ivory Coast)+
4982km / 5h40m

10/06 Cameroon 1-0 Morocco (in Cameroon)+ || 13/06 Colombia 4-0 Cameroon (in Spain)
4316km / 4h55m

16/08 Qatar 1-0 Andorra (in England) || 23/08 Qatar 2-1 Turkmenistan (in Qatar)
5350km / 6h05m

05/10 Iran 2-0 Togo (in Iran) || 10/10 Russia 1-1 Iran (in Russia)
2239km / 2h30m

07/10 Cape Verde 0-2 Senegal (in Cape Verde)+ || 10/10 Mozambique 1-0 Cape Verde (in Portugal)^
2988km / 3h25m

07/10 Morocco 3-0 Gabon (in Morocco)+ || 10/10 Morocco 3-1 South Korea (in Switzerland)
1957km / 2h15m

07/10 Morocco 3-0 Gabon (in Morocco)+ || 10/10 Benin 1-0 Gabon (in France)
1579km / 1h45m

07/10 Uganda 0-0 Ghana (in Uganda)+ || 10/10 Saudi Arabia 0-3 Ghana (in Saudi Arabia)^
2450km / 2h45m

10/11 Algeria 1-1 Nigeria (in Algeria)+ || 14/11 Nigeria 4-2 Argentina (in Russia)
2878km / 3h15m

12/11 Malta 0-3 Estonia (in Malta) || 19/11 Fiji 0-2 Estonia (in Fiji)
17492km / 19h45m

Bonus for 2018:
17/03 Iran 4-0 Sierra Leone (in Iran) || 23/03 Tunisia 1-0 Iran (in Tunisia)
3673km / 4h10m

+ = official competition match (i.e. not a friendly)
^ = not on FIFA.com list
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March 26th, 2018, 6:27 pm #34

OK so bearing in mind that the FIFA rule allows two continents in the same window provided the flight time is under 5 hours, which cases would breach the rule?

(as you note, also the exact dates of the window are needed because apparently, outside of the windows, anything goes)
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March 26th, 2018, 6:53 pm #35

I've added the "as-the-crow-flies" distances between venues, but that does seem to raise more questions than answers. Matches that are removed from FIFA.com don't fall foul of this rule (they may very well of others though), while those that do are still present on the official list (again, to investigate proper window dates).
Especially the African cases on 07/10 and 10/10 are very intriguing.

Do you happen to know when this "two continent" rule was implemented? I might look at other matches from further back.
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March 27th, 2018, 3:26 am #36

It came into effect in the Sept 2014 window - see Mark's post

Also some discussion from 2015 here

And here from Nov 2017 here  - where Mark made it clear that it was the actual flight time of the team which counts, not the typical flight time using commercial flight connections.

But all this applies only in the "window", and it seems to me that the June period isn't really a window, being outside of the (Western European) season.
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March 27th, 2018, 9:49 am #37

Kirill wrote:I think a much more likely cause of it not appearing is that FIFA is a clownfest no better than CONIFA or NFB.
But they do run one hell of a nice museum... and I'm assuming the same of their 4-star hotel across the road but that part would've been a ridiculously expensive experiment (even by Swiss standards) to actually conduct.
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March 27th, 2018, 7:56 pm #38

But somewhat amazingly, their museum doesn't contain a book with all the results of every FIFA international match ever played.
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March 28th, 2018, 8:45 am #39

May I recommend instead the Wharfedale International Football Data and Hobnob Repository ?   Appointments necessary - the curator (Mabel) doesn't take kindly to unexpected visitors.
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March 28th, 2018, 10:48 am #40

TheRoonBa wrote:But somewhat amazingly, their museum doesn't contain a book with all the results of every FIFA international match ever played.
They do actually have an on-site library (open only on weekdays or by special appointment though), through the window I saw a bunch of magazines from around the world though so either they keep the heavy stuff further back or the place in general might be a bit too 'un-niche' for the liking of some around here...
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March 28th, 2018, 12:14 pm #41

Yes, I've been in the library (there was not a single other person there). They didn't seem to have too much in the way of detailed things such as compendiums of results, but I was only given a very brief 10 minute tour.  Things such as books about Pelé and World Cup photo books seem to be given more priority. 
But, as we know, FIFA don't even make use of their own resources properly (FIFA news bulletins for example have several results that do not appear in the main FIFA results database).
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