Alderney

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June 29th, 2016, 5:34 pm #1

https://twitter.com/mattrowley1973/stat ... 2737724416



@AlderneyFC would you be prepared to play a fixture against a newly formed Island side (Welsh island), we could come over to you?


So, a Welsh island (or a club from a Welsh Island at least) would like to play against Alderney, in Alderney.

A free bag of air for anyone who can find out which Welsh island.
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June 29th, 2016, 6:51 pm #2

I thought there was only Anglesey and some piddling wee bird sanctuaries.
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June 30th, 2016, 1:35 am #3

a newly formed Island? :)
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June 30th, 2016, 7:10 pm #4

Maybe Wales is planning to dig a moat around itself, in order to float away from England and rejoin the EU.
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July 1st, 2016, 2:37 am #5

there are about 50 Weksh islands....
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July 1st, 2016, 5:28 am #6

Many do not have a large enough population. Anglesey (and Holy Island, which is linked to it by bridge) are the only ones of decent size. I am just wondering why they wanted to play Alderney.
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March 17th, 2018, 6:22 am #7

As jersey, Guernsey, the Isle of Man and Sark are listed in the entity list, may I suggest adding the Western Isles, Alderney and Herm, who all have the same status?

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March 18th, 2018, 8:48 am #8

Alderney is already the first entity in that sub-forum.  Herm has limited or no international activity at present, and Western Isles does not have the same status.
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March 18th, 2018, 11:13 am #9

TheRoonBa wrote:Alderney is already the first entity in that sub-forum.
You can never have too much of a good thing :-)

(except biscuits)
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March 18th, 2018, 11:26 am #10

TheRoonBa wrote:Alderney is already the first entity in that sub-forum.  Herm has limited or no international activity at present, and Western Isles does not have the same status.
Right. Sorry re Alderney.

Would you mind explaining what "status" Alderney has and the Western Isles don't have?
It seems to me that the Western Isles are an own entity politically (Council), while Alderney is an integral part of Guernsey, while in football both don't have an own FA, but do have an Island Games Association. Which "status" am I missing?

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March 18th, 2018, 11:34 am #11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_dep ... f_Guernsey
Alderney and Sark have their own parliaments - they are like "dependencies" of Guernsey.

Western Isles is simply a part of Scotland (As are Shetland, Orkney, Fife), with no political difference to Scotland's other councils.
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March 18th, 2018, 12:41 pm #12

CONIFAGenSec wrote:It seems to me that the Western Isles are an own entity politically (Council), while Alderney is an integral part of Guernsey, while in football both don't have an own FA, but do have an Island Games Association.
Alderney does have its own football association (with the obvious name).   Unless it was been closed recently.
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March 18th, 2018, 1:08 pm #13

nfm24 wrote:
CONIFAGenSec wrote:It seems to me that the Western Isles are an own entity politically (Council), while Alderney is an integral part of Guernsey, while in football both don't have an own FA, but do have an Island Games Association.
Alderney does have its own football association (with the obvious name).   Unless it was been closed recently.
Interesting. Do you have a source?
I just know this homepage, which is inofficial and found proof of the Nomads and Alderney FC, who both are enrolled with the Guernsey FA (or have been enrolled with...)

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March 18th, 2018, 1:19 pm #14

Search Google for "Alderney Football Association" (in quotes). You will find several references to its existence and activities.
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March 18th, 2018, 1:25 pm #15

TheRoonBa wrote:Search Google for "Alderney Football Association" (in quotes). You will find several references to its existence and activities.
Thanks - found a charity register entry this way, which seems to be a proof. I wonder if they're part of any other FA (Guernsey, England) or a true "non FIFA FA". Do you know?

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March 18th, 2018, 1:31 pm #16

Well, Alderney plays in the Guernsey League - I assume they need to be part of the Guernsey FA to do so.  And Guernsey FA is part of the FA - so by extension, Alderney would be too.  All of Alderney's matches are listed on the FA's results website.

http://fulltime-league.thefa.com/Displa ... =418893203
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March 18th, 2018, 1:45 pm #17


TheRoonBa wrote:Well, Alderney plays in the Guernsey League - I assume they need to be part of the Guernsey FA to do so.  And Guernsey FA is part of the FA - so by extension, Alderney would be too.  All of Alderney's matches are listed on the FA's results website.

http://fulltime-league.thefa.com/Displa ... =418893203
That's the Alderney FC, not the FA, which is a member of the Guernsey FA.

It seems the Alderney FA is either defunct or only ever existed on paper, as no club seems to be affiliated to them and they again are not affiliated to anything.

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March 18th, 2018, 1:47 pm #18

Alderney FC is a member of the Alderney FA, which is a member of the Guernsey FA, which is a member of the FA (in London).

The Alderney FA has one adult team (Alderney FC) and several youth and 5-a-side teams.

https://guernseypress.com/news/2009/07/ ... -distance/
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March 18th, 2018, 1:53 pm #19

TheRoonBa wrote:Alderney FC is a member of the Alderney FA, which is a member of the Guernsey FA, which is a member of the FA (in London).

The Alderney FA has one adult team (Alderney FC) and several youth and 5-a-side teams.

https://guernseypress.com/news/2009/07/ ... -distance/
I don't find any proof of what you said in the posted link (or elsewhere).

Do you have any source proving or suggesting that Alderney FC is a member of Alderney FA or that Alderney FA is part of Guernsey FA?

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March 18th, 2018, 2:32 pm #20

CONIFAGenSec wrote:
nfm24 wrote:
CONIFAGenSec wrote:It seems to me that the Western Isles are an own entity politically (Council), while Alderney is an integral part of Guernsey, while in football both don't have an own FA, but do have an Island Games Association.
Alderney does have its own football association (with the obvious name).   Unless it was been closed recently.
Interesting. Do you have a source?
I just know this homepage, which is inofficial and found proof of the Nomads and Alderney FC, who both are enrolled with the Guernsey FA (or have been enrolled with...)
From 1999:




Looking solely online for such a small island (small population rather) is not guaranteed to yield everything, sadly.   Alderney's population of football playing age has decreased quite a lot.  The AFA used to run a small league and a cup on the island.  I'm not sure if it still does.
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March 18th, 2018, 2:36 pm #21

(btw I have a lot better sources than that article, but I wanted to see the name Billy Bohan again)
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March 18th, 2018, 2:38 pm #22

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March 18th, 2018, 2:57 pm #23

On the matter of affiliation (from "The History of the Football Association", 1953):


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March 18th, 2018, 3:16 pm #24

nfm24 wrote:On the matter of affiliation (from "The History of the Football Association", 1953):


Interesting source! This one actually suggests that Alderney was directly affiliated to the English FA at that time, as only the All-Indian and not its sub-FAs are listed.

I'm still puzzled about the current status. I'll check with my mates in Alderney if they can shine light on it.

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March 18th, 2018, 4:00 pm #25

Perhaps checking with your mates in Alderney would have been the best idea after all - instead of asking people with no connection to the island or access to sources on the island.

The news article I posted showed that the Alderney FA was responsible for finding funds for the Bavaria Nomads to play in the Guernsey League (the Alderney team now known as Alderney FC).  This would seem to suggest that what I said was true, but if it is not true that the Alderney FA is affiliated to the Guernsey FA, then it would seem to be an independent FA, as the FA does not list it under its county affiliates.
http://www.thefa.com/about-football-ass ... county-fas

Unless, of course, it is affiliated directly in some other category. 
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March 18th, 2018, 4:08 pm #26

nfm24 wrote: (btw I have a lot better sources than that article, but I wanted to see the name Billy Bohan again)
There was a Michael Bohan in the 2002 Alderney FA 5-a-side league.
http://alderneyfa.com/5aside/2002.html

Also, Robert Bohan, Billy Bohan's nephew:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2003/03/ ... ount-hale/
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March 18th, 2018, 6:22 pm #27

The Alderney FA is apparently registered as a charity with the Guernsey Registry.

http://www.guernseyregistry.com/CHttpHa ... 111271&p=0
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March 18th, 2018, 6:56 pm #28

CONIFAGenSec wrote:
nfm24 wrote:On the matter of affiliation (from "The History of the Football Association", 1953):
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Interesting source!
Not really.  700 pages of waffle, rules, lists of committee officers, account sheets etc.

The excerpt I posted was probably the most interesting page for those concerned with worldwide football history.   It does have some good photos though.




I'm still puzzled about the current status. I'll check with my mates in Alderney if they can shine light on it.
I have emailed the FA itself to ask whether Alderney is still affiliated (and if not, when did it cease to be so).   Actually I sent that email already before I posted the above source, because I could see that Guernsey and Jersey (and the Isle of Man) are today listed on the FA website as "Country FAs", but Alderney is not.

I have not emailed the Guernsey FA, which might be an idea if someone else wants to try.
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March 18th, 2018, 6:58 pm #29

Anyway I'm more interested in "Hubara FC", and how it managed to get into the list between London and Malaya.
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March 19th, 2018, 9:05 am #30

Is Hubara something to do with the Gulf region?
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March 19th, 2018, 7:00 pm #31

I think it was an expat / company club set up at Kuwait.
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March 24th, 2018, 5:52 am #32

Was this another match played as well as the Muratti in 1920 (Alderney 1-0 Guernsey)?




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March 24th, 2018, 12:02 pm #33

Yes, the Peace Cup (donated in 1919 by Guernsey Evening Press), which ran from 1919 to 1925 then petered out.  I mentioned it in passing on another topic. It was an annual match between Guernsey and Alderney only.

Peace Cup results:
21-4-1919 Guernsey 3-1 Alderney
5-4-1920 Guernsey 2-6 Alderney  [Guernsey B team but not explicitly called that.  Guernsey A 3-0 Clapton in "Victory Cup" same day]
28-3-21 Guernsey 3-0 Alderney
17-4-22 Guernsey 3-1 Alderney
2-4-23 Guernsey 2-1 Alderney
21-4-24 Guernsey 1-2 Alderney
12-3-25 Guernsey 3-0 Alderney
10-12-25 Guernsey 4-1 Alderney
None seen in 1926
In Aug 1927 Alderney FA decided not to enter that season (1927-28 ?) but no mention about previous. Seems to have died out.


Also some other presumably unofficial matches post-WW1 before the Muratti was re-established:
  18-Apr-19 Jersey 0-3 Guernsey [friendly]
  21-Apr-19 Guernsey 3-1 Alderney [Guernsey Evening Press' Peace Cup]  [same as above]
  21-Apr-19 Guernsey 2-0 Jersey [Victory Cup]  [Jersey team selected by the Wanderers club : lineup almost same as 18 Apr]
  23-Apr-19 Guernsey 1-0 Jersey [friendly]
   8-May-19 Jersey 4-0 Guernsey [friendly]
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March 24th, 2018, 12:10 pm #34

nfm24 wrote:I have emailed the FA itself to ask whether Alderney is still affiliated (and if not, when did it cease to be so).
No reply so far.

BTW I have merged the "missing entities" discussion with this Alderney topic, mainly because (a) "missing entities" was almost entirely about Alderney, and (b) Alderney was not actually "missing" anyway, as explained above.
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March 26th, 2018, 6:36 am #35

nfm24 wrote: Yes, the Peace Cup (donated in 1919 by Guernsey Evening Press), which ran from 1919 to 1925 then petered out.  I mentioned it in passing on another topic. It was an annual match between Guernsey and Alderney only.

Peace Cup results:
21-4-1919 Guernsey 3-1 Alderney
5-4-1920 Guernsey 2-6 Alderney  [Guernsey B team but not explicitly called that.  Guernsey A 3-0 Clapton in "Victory Cup" same day]
Thanks!

Yes, my main reason for mentioning it was that the Jersey FA tweeted the picture with reference to Alderney's only Muratti win - but they clearly mixed up the competitions.

The 1919 Guernsey team must have been the B team as well, as Guernsey played Jersey on the same day for the Victory Cup.
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March 26th, 2018, 4:16 pm #36

Yes I think the Peace Cup was usually or entirely Guernsey B, but I haven't done a forensic lineup comparison with the Muratti to check.   I did observe that the press coverage didn't necessarily label the Guernsey team as a B-team or "reserves" or anything regardless of the lineup.

The kid holding the ball in the photo seems to be dressed as a clown, perhaps that distracted the Jersey FA and somehow made them overlook the clear and accurate caption in the photo.
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