Africa Cup of Nations proposed changes

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Africa Cup of Nations proposed changes

Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

15 Jul 2017, 14:16 #1


It's under consideration for  expansion (24 teams), to be played in June, and possibly be held every four years.
Last edited by Blue Lou on 15 Jul 2017, 16:28, edited 1 time in total.
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

15 Jul 2017, 15:15 #2

every 4 years would be good, june is Ok, but why 24 teams?  with 16 teams we see also smaller teams qualify, and big teams can be eliminated.....it makes football attractive ....
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

15 Jul 2017, 17:27 #3

I imagine it's because having more nations will bring in more tv money
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pieter
Joined: 03 Nov 2006, 16:49

15 Jul 2017, 17:39 #4

possible, it is all about money, but empty stadiums are common in Africa when the home team is not involved
, CAF could use the extra money to make travelling cheaper for visiting fans....
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

16 Jul 2017, 09:14 #5

pieter wrote:
june is Ok
But there's the big risk that June temperatures are too high in many parts of the continent.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

16 Jul 2017, 11:38 #6

Isn't their explanation that June is usually in 'rainy season'? Other than a few countries at the extreme ends of the continent, January's not too different from June temperature-wise. Cameroon are the next hosts so if we use their climate as an example...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

16 Jul 2017, 12:07 #7

Who says they wlll hold it in Africa? Why not Europe, or the USA? If money is what they want...
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

18 Jul 2017, 15:48 #8

They've actually live streamed the discussions.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

18 Jul 2017, 21:45 #9

nfm24 wrote:
Who says they wlll hold it in Africa? Why not Europe, or the USA? If money is what they want...
Could try it on a (politically controversial) technicality...
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

19 Jul 2017, 12:13 #10

The working group recommends:

It should still occur every two years
It should be expanded to 24 teams
It should take place in June/July in odd numbered years
Alternate versions should be combined with World Cup qualifying.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

19 Jul 2017, 21:46 #11

More detailed version of the story here.
I'm not too fussed about it moving/expanding in general, the only things which concern me are whether the weather/expansion will now be used as an excuse to not give certain places hosting rights (as previously established, the consensus here regarding extreme weather seems to be 'as long as the right precautions are taken just get on with it'), and more importantly whether it was CAF's own decision to do this, the last thing a continental federation should be doing is bowing to another continent's club scene. The clubs know that this is part of the package of signing an international-quality African player and should be more accommodating/work around it rather than pressuring the player to miss out (as a couple of examples in the article showed).
Also not sure on combining qualifiers, kind of like each tournament to be standing on its own where possible.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

19 Jul 2017, 21:49 #12

nfm24 wrote:
Who says they wlll hold it in Africa? Why not Europe, or the USA? If money is what they want...
Oh for the love of I-thought-you-were-kidding...
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

20 Jul 2017, 17:54 #13

Several media outlets are reporting the expansion was approved. Nothing official yet.

Same outlets are saying it's the 2019 edition that will be expanded. i.e. the one where qualification is already underway.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

20 Jul 2017, 21:22 #14

It's now official.
As for the qualifiers, with 12 groups it should be straightforward enough to find their 23 teams, Cameroon ghosting one of the groups complicates things a little but I guess they're now looking for the best 11 runners-up (everyone except the worst) rather than the best 3. Not right that they shift the goalposts when it's already started even if it does benefit every team involved...
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

21 Jul 2017, 12:26 #15

Won't somebody please think of the agents? Said hopefully no-one in that meeting.
And I agree with Klopp that of course it's better for him and the club that those players will no longer have to be away, but hopefully he does recognise the bigger picture here. I stand by my previous stance that any club signing a top African player knows the old timing of the Cup of Nations is a factor that will affect any club those players go to and it's just part of the game, and that any club so dependent on less than a handful of players should look at their own poor preparation first.
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

21 Jul 2017, 20:31 #16

I wonder if they'll move it back for 2021 to avoid a clash with the Confederations Cup.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

22 Jul 2017, 13:39 #17

Hope so, part of the 'bigger picture' implications I mentioned, although if they move the 2021 Cup of Nations to the summer (I'm guessing it could be done a bit like how the Gold Cup is being played right now, after the Confederations Cup is finished?) it ironically would be the switch that could pave the way for my proposed 'CAFCON Championship' to be brought in seamlessly.
In hindsight I seem to have inadvertently called a few of CAF's planned changes during that post, just in a completely different context.
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

05 Aug 2017, 09:58 #18

Changes to the current qualification competition have been announced.



Two teams per group to qualify with one exception; one team will qualify from the group containing Cameroon.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

19 Nov 2017, 14:14 #19

Blue Lou wrote: Changes to the current qualification competition have been announced.

Two teams per group to qualify with one exception; one team will qualify from the group containing Cameroon.
Possibly the most disjointed qualification campaign ever.  CAF has now approved the 2nd round of group matches being moved from March to October 2018.  So, the gap between the first round of group matches (June 2017) and the second round of group matches (September 2018) will be around 15 months!  Then, the last 5 rounds will be condensed into just 2 months...
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

19 Nov 2017, 14:58 #20

I thought that was only for the matches involving the 5 teams that have qualified for the World Cup.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

20 Nov 2017, 18:23 #21

I assume they just moved the entire round of fixtures.  Otherwise you'd have problems with teams needing to play in 2 different continents in one window.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

20 Nov 2017, 20:54 #22

nfm24 wrote:Otherwise you'd have problems with teams needing to play in 2 different continents in one window.
A 'rule' which I still don't understand. Nigeria literally just did this last week (amongst numerous other teams in the past)...
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

20 Nov 2017, 23:43 #23

Well the rule is that two matches at venues in different confederations may be played provided the "maximum flight time" (whatever that means) is at most 5 hours.   Unless the rule has been adjusted again recently.  Mark?

Nigeria's matches were in Constantine (Algeria) and Krasnodar (Russia), abour 4 hrs as the crow flies. 

Obviously this rule isn't always applied anyhow.   Lima and Wellington are pretty far apart, I believe.
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

21 Nov 2017, 09:02 #24

So what about pretty much whenever Australia have a home match and an away one the other side of Asia in the same break? Surely that tops 5 hours?
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

21 Nov 2017, 09:30 #25

Australia is in the Asian confederation.   The 5 hrs applies to matches in different confederations.
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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

23 Nov 2017, 12:19 #26

nfm24 wrote: Well the rule is that two matches at venues in different confederations may be played provided the "maximum flight time" (whatever that means) is at most 5 hours.   Unless the rule has been adjusted again recently.  Mark?

Nigeria's matches were in Constantine (Algeria) and Krasnodar (Russia), abour 4 hrs as the crow flies. 

Obviously this rule isn't always applied anyhow.   Lima and Wellington are pretty far apart, I believe.
The flight time between Constantine and Krasnodar is ordinarily over 8 hours, with a stopover in Istanbul or somewhere else.

However, Nigeria chartered a plane to fly direct, and it took around 4 hrs 20 mins.  If it had taken longer than 5 hours, the match would not have counted.

The rule only applies if one ore both of the 2 matches is a friendly - so Peru-New Zealand matches were not subject to the rule.
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Blue Lou
Joined: 21 Jan 2009, 04:52

23 Nov 2017, 15:38 #27

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TheRoonBa
Joined: 31 Oct 2006, 22:16

23 Nov 2017, 16:42 #28

Yes - last round of matches pushed to March 2019!
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mattsanger92
Joined: 04 Jul 2011, 10:46

24 Nov 2017, 08:58 #29

When whas the last time Qualifying matches (espercially so many of them) were held this close to the actual tournament? Ignoring perhaps the Africa Cup of Nations itself, as recently as 2015 it had a less than 2-month gap.

Of course Euro 2020 is dabbling in that path but at least there you'd imagine they've already made the Group Stage Draw in its usual December slot just with "League # Play-Off" as a placeholder. Just seems very short-notice of CAF when most major tournaments for years now have been about having at least half a year's gap to build up excitement, allow teams/fans to plan ahead etc..

And of course to get the pre-tournament promotional stuff sorted, won't someone please think of Panini?!
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

24 Nov 2017, 09:32 #30

A few Asian Cups have had short gaps between end of qualifying, and start of finals.  Indeed the 1956 edition had a negative gap.
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nfm24
Joined: 07 Apr 2007, 16:28

24 Nov 2017, 09:40 #31

TheRoonBa wrote:The flight time between Constantine and Krasnodar is ordinarily over 8 hours, with a stopover in Istanbul or somewhere else.
However, Nigeria chartered a plane to fly direct, and it took around 4 hrs 20 mins.  If it had taken longer than 5 hours, the match would not have counted.
It occurs to me that this ridiculous and arbitrary 5 hours rule may provide a reason for teams to take greater risks with their travel arrangements.   Hopefully we don't see another Chapecoense situation.
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Luca
Joined: 09 Feb 2011, 19:58

24 Nov 2017, 19:31 #32

nfm24 wrote: A few Asian Cups have had short gaps between end of qualifying, and start of finals.  Indeed the 1956 edition had a negative gap.
I got close...! Just three days between the end of the 1934 World Cup qualifiers and the start of the final phase.
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