2018 ConIFA World Football Cup

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12 Jan 2018, 20:24 #351

Interesting.   Actual maths ability in a pure sense is, nowadays, considered less important than ability to do well in exams.   For which a good memory and ability to work at high speed and to "follow recipes" and jump through hoops, are needed. Problem-solving capacity is very much neglected.  Which is sad, because this is really the only thing worthwhile.
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12 Jan 2018, 20:32 #352

Yeah, always hated exams, the older I got the more they seemed to be about learning for the test rather than for the future (combined naturally with added pressure), it's one of those short-term gain long-term loss type things.

Got through most of them well enough but still the odd slip-up, even when you remembered pretty much all the information in the study guides you'd still lose marks for not answering the question like the examiner wanted you to... which in itself throws you off a bit on really easy questions/tests because you start quadruple-guessing if the simple question has any hidden meaning.
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12 Jan 2018, 21:25 #353

I used to get asked to perform multiplications while in the street at the back of my house. Those were the days.  In general, where I grew up was quite rough, and there weren't many clever people around.  Also, I could have just said any answer, as the people asking didn't have a calculator, so had no way of checking my answers were correct...  

I can still do a calculation in the form "double digit number X double digit number" in 5-10 seconds, but nobody asks me any more.  These skills are sadly being left behind and people now prefer it if you can balance 27 knives on your elbow while juggling 10 singing dogs.
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12 Jan 2018, 21:44 #354

TheRoonBa wrote:I can still do a calculation in the form "double digit number X double digit number" in 5-10 seconds, but nobody asks me any more.  These skills are sadly being left behind and people now prefer it if you can balance 27 knives on your elbow while juggling 10 singing dogs.
That may be true but there's still hope.
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12 Jan 2018, 21:59 #355

Kaizeler wrote:
TheRoonBa wrote:I can still do a calculation in the form "double digit number X double digit number" in 5-10 seconds, but nobody asks me any more.  These skills are sadly being left behind and people now prefer it if you can balance 27 knives on your elbow while juggling 10 singing dogs.
That may be true but there's still hope.
I often find that with mathematics, and computing and other such technical fields, ability tends to rise on an exponential scale.

I think of myself as being "better than average" at arithmetic, simply because many people can't do arithmetic at all.  It's not hard (in this country at least) to be better than average. But then these kids are about 20,000 times better than what I would consider good.  They have gotten to the stage where it seems like they don't actually need to think.

With more physical tasks, at least the scale is within reach.  For example, doing the 100m in 10 seconds is considered phenomenal, but probably most averagely fit people under 40 could do it in 20 seconds.
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12 Jan 2018, 22:28 #356

Kaizeler wrote:
TheRoonBa wrote:I can still do a calculation in the form "double digit number X double digit number" in 5-10 seconds, but nobody asks me any more.  These skills are sadly being left behind and people now prefer it if you can balance 27 knives on your elbow while juggling 10 singing dogs.
That may be true but there's still hope.
Nice stereotypes of both cultures there.  Far East child-pressuring, American brainless food wasting :-)

Britain is, of course, more dignified when it comes to arithmetic.
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13 Jan 2018, 02:31 #357

Back to the CONIFA World Cup:

Kiribati has estimated that the costs to get them to the World Cup (minus accommodation and food, which the organisers will cover) will be £50,000 (about 56,000 Euros or 68,000 US Dollars). At least half of this will be for the return airfares.  For a group of 20 players/officials, this would amount to 3,400 US dollars for each person, which would be impossible for them to pay themselves, as this would be several months' wages for some people.  Sponsorship needs to be found quite quickly.
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13 Jan 2018, 18:40 #358

any warm-up games planned? so far only Barawa and Ellan Vannin......
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13 Jan 2018, 19:28 #359

There is "Yorkshire" vs Ellan Vannin this month, and "Surrey" vs Barawa in May.  And a small tournament with "Yorkshire" is planned in May but details haven't been released.   As well as fixtures vs club teams etc.
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13 Jan 2018, 19:32 #360

TheRoonBa wrote:I often find that with mathematics, and computing and other such technical fields, ability tends to rise on an exponential scale.
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With more physical tasks, at least the scale is within reach.  For example, doing the 100m in 10 seconds is considered phenomenal, but probably most averagely fit people under 40 could do it in 20 seconds.
What is the sport or game where the range is narrowest?   I.e. in what sport are the world elite players only marginally better than total amateurs?

Stone paper scissors?  Guessing how many pennies are in a jar?
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13 Jan 2018, 20:32 #361

do not underestimate stone paper scissors.....
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13 Jan 2018, 22:02 #362

Good advice.  It should be taught in schools, it's better than Xbox.
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13 Jan 2018, 23:57 #363

nfm24 wrote:
TheRoonBa wrote:I often find that with mathematics, and computing and other such technical fields, ability tends to rise on an exponential scale.
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With more physical tasks, at least the scale is within reach.  For example, doing the 100m in 10 seconds is considered phenomenal, but probably most averagely fit people under 40 could do it in 20 seconds.
What is the sport or game where the range is narrowest?   I.e. in what sport are the world elite players only marginally better than total amateurs?

Stone paper scissors?  Guessing how many pennies are in a jar?
I guess with some newly created sports the range may be narrow.  In rollball, which was invented only in 2005, India is seen as the "elite", as it is played in schools there and they have played it the longest, and indeed invented it.  However, in the first World Cup in 2011, India, with 6 years of practice, were beaten in the final by Denmark, who were not even a member of the Rollball Federation, and who only got together for the tournament, being drawn from a skater hockey club (skater hockey itself has only around 10 active countries).  The club had won 2nd place in the 2010 European Skater Hockey Championship for clubs.

Belarus also formed a team for the tournament in a similar fashion (drawn from other sports), and reached the semi-final, losing to Denmark.  In general, Belarus and Denmark thrashed all of their opponents despite not having 'real' rollball players (Belarus won all their games by between 5 and 14 goals, except the loss to Denmark, while Denmark won all their games by between 4 and 18 goals, except for the final in which they beat India 3-2).  Some of the teams they beat (Bangladesh, Nepal) had a similar length of playing experience to India, but that doesn't seem to have made any difference at all.

The sport of rollball is a combination of handball/basketball on roller skates, and it seems that skating ability is very important, despite the method of scoring goals being more reliant on shooting ability, as demonstrated by a team of proficient skaters with no background in handball or basketball winning the World Cup.
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14 Jan 2018, 01:08 #364

There must be other sports where people who have never played before, but have highly transferable skills from other sports, can match the "specialists."

So it should be a fairly rudimentary but obscure sport, and thus the "specialists" will not be professional athletes in any sense, and could be beaten by fast/strong ringers having a go.

Maybe jukskei ?
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14 Jan 2018, 23:02 #365

I thought of tiddlywinks also. 

I guess if "betting" were classed as a sport, this could also be the case.  It's possible to win a bet on your first bet without knowing anything about the sport you are betting on, while "professional" gamblers may rely too much on their "proven strategy", which may only work 80% of the time, and may fail while the novice gets lucky.
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15 Jan 2018, 18:02 #366

Then it's a matter of whether the rules of the sport are in favour of "experienced expert" or "beginner's luck."

E.g. stone paper scissors with just one round, or best of 3, or best of 101 ?
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15 Jan 2018, 18:36 #367

nfm24 wrote: Then it's a matter of whether the rules of the sport are in favour of "experienced expert" or "beginner's luck."

E.g. stone paper scissors with just one round, or best of 3, or best of 101 ?
do you mean stone paper scissors is just a matter of luck?
computers will Always win against humans (I read)
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15 Jan 2018, 22:07 #368

I mean it is not *just* luck, but a lot of matches are needed for any non-luck tactics (human or computer) to prevail.
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19 Jan 2018, 00:56 #369

nfm24 wrote:While on the subject of the eligibility criteria, why aren't they available on the ConIFA website?   As you know, the constitution requires it:
"The Constitution, the Internal Regulations, the decisions and announcements of CONIFA shall be published on the official website in the official language."
Happy to report that the Internal Regulations (at least, those dealing with member eligibility) are finally on ConIFA's website.  There may be other more mundane internal regulations yet to be put online though.  Also the calendar section has finally been updated for the first time in about 2 years, so I won't be nagging about that for a while.

Less happy to report that the website now lists "Yorkshire" as a member.  Their member page does at least mention Old Norse, but does not explain why it is important to mention that in the context of membership. 

I was looking for the minutes of the recent AGM, but can't see them online yet - may revisit that later.
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19 Jan 2018, 22:44 #370

nfm24 wrote:Happy to report that the Internal Regulations (at least, those dealing with member eligibility) are finally on ConIFA's website.  There may be other more mundane internal regulations yet to be put online though.  Also the calendar section has finally been updated for the first time in about 2 years, so I won't be nagging about that for a while.

Less happy to report that the website now lists "Yorkshire" as a member.  Their member page does at least mention Old Norse, but does not explain why it is important to mention that in the context of membership. 

I was looking for the minutes of the recent AGM, but can't see them online yet - may revisit that later.
You're basically the ConIFA Content Cop, aren't you?
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Yesterday, 21:42 #371

More of a community support officer.   I just wanted to read the minutes of the AGM.  In looking for them, I noticed the adjustments mentioned, so I looked to see what else had changed.
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