Smoke rising south of WTC 2 "collapse"

Joined: September 27th, 2008, 6:07 pm

December 20th, 2009, 3:31 am #1

Where is this smoke rising? Could it be related to the "collapse?"



CBS 9/11 17:46 -- -- the "Tinacart" South Tower collapse video shows smoke rising in the left side of the frame... highlighted in femr2's rendition here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8PtmVpPY0

Extended version here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9kfInhjXA#t=2m30s


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Joined: September 27th, 2008, 7:28 pm

December 20th, 2009, 10:28 am #2


It would be very interesting to find out where this smoke is
coming from .. It seems very, very strange.

I doubt that it is a regular thing to have a black cloud rising
from the ground in the New York district! .. It looks like the
result of an explosion of some type .. like a petrol explosion or fire?

And for it to occur at the same time as the south tower collapse
does appear a little suspicious.


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Joined: August 2nd, 2009, 4:33 pm

December 20th, 2009, 3:56 pm #3

Check for Newark Int. Airport. I think there was any report about a fire on 9/11.
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Joined: September 27th, 2008, 6:07 pm

December 20th, 2009, 6:23 pm #4

achimspok wrote:Check for Newark Int. Airport. I think there was any report about a fire on 9/11.
Apparently there was a fire there on 9/10. See http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... bn.01.html

Also http://forums.ktla.com/eve/forums/a/tpc ... 3321084735
...not an official source, but it does have an interesting story about Todd Beamer being prevented from flying on 9/10... and Israeli connections to 9/11. (More on the passengers of the planes and various relations here: http://community.whptv.com/forums/thread/1898289.aspx )

Fire on 9/10 interferes with another Flight 93 passenger: http://web.archive.org/web/200109170425 ... 17spo.html

Newark International Airport is in the right line of sight, though. Liberty State Park...
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Joined: August 2nd, 2009, 4:33 pm

December 22nd, 2009, 2:29 am #5

Hmm, but I remember I read some discussion about that plume...
It's in the Naudet doc too. Is there an other video or photo showing the plume?
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Joined: January 18th, 2009, 10:15 pm

December 22nd, 2009, 4:45 am #6

This may help.

Google_Maps_plume.jpg
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Joined: March 30th, 2009, 9:45 pm

December 22nd, 2009, 6:40 am #7

If the smoke plume came from Manhattan, then it came from between the pink and blue lines, imo.


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Joined: January 18th, 2009, 10:15 pm

December 22nd, 2009, 4:36 pm #8

Yougenedebs wrote:If the smoke plume came from Manhattan, then it came from between the pink and blue lines, imo.


The point of reference I used was Old Slip Road & State Street in Manhattan to the left of the white triangular building (where Engine Company 4/Ladder Company 15 is located). The plume can be seen above and beyond that point. The neck of the plume for lack of a better term has been slightly shifted from the wind. A bearing and size can be estimated given distance of travel over time. If this plume was similar in size to the one in Pennsylvania, it is conceivable that it is some distance away. A secondary source from a different angle would help.

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Joined: August 2nd, 2009, 4:33 pm

December 23rd, 2009, 3:07 am #9

If it came from lower Manhattan then it should be visible in some other video or photograph e.g. from NW or S. Is there any known perspective to at least to exclude possible areas? Matt, you know it.
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Joined: March 30th, 2009, 9:45 pm

December 23rd, 2009, 4:11 am #10

I’ve just checked Hoboken’s view; didn’t see a plume; watched from 4:10 thru 5:25.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRzWvLENuMs#t=4m10s
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