Flight 93 debris spread over 3-4 mile radius

Joined: September 27th, 2008, 6:07 pm

September 4th, 2010, 8:34 pm #1

Reporting from Shanksville, PA -- NBC on 9/11 at about 9:15 pm. Listen at 0:55 and see aerials of the small debris scattered everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Ysi1VVEZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Ysi1VVEZU

Thanks to IranContraScumDid911 who posted the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5flaG69zeM



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September 4th, 2010, 9:09 pm #2



From "Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11" by Barrie Zwicker (2006)-- above, page 86, below page 87
wrote:EXHIBIT P

Flight 93 Was Shot Down: Debris Covers Five Square Miles

Flight 93 was the flight that crashed into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania
at 10:06 a.m. on 9/11, allegedly due to a passenger revolt. According to
David Ray Griffin, in his essay “Flights of Fancy:” The Kean-Zelikow
Commission “had to convince us that the military did not shoot it down.”
The Commission makes two major claims about Flight 93. The first one is
that: “By the time the military learned about the flight, it had crashed.” 114
The main support for this claim is provided by yet another Commission
tale of amazing incompetence by FAA officials. To accept this account, we
must believe that, on a day on which there had already been attacks by
hijacked airliners, officials at FAA headquarters had to debate whether a
hijacked airliner with a bomb on board was important enough to disturb
the military. And we must believe that they were still debating this question
13 minutes later, when, we are told, the following conversation between
Herndon ATC center and FAA headquarters occurred:

Command Center: “Uh, do we want to think, uh, about scrambling
aircraft?”
FAA HQ: “Oh, God, I don’t know.”
Command Center: “Uh, that’s a decision somebody’s gonna have to
make probably in the next ten minutes.”115

The Commission’s tales about FAA incompetence and worthless teleconferences
are directly contradicted by Laura Brown’s memo116 and in
Richard Clarke’s book.117 Their combined testimony implies that the
Commission’s main claim — that “by the time the military learned about
the flight, it had crashed” — is a bald-faced lie.
There is an enormous amount of evidence suggesting that the FAA did notify
the military about Flight 93; that Cheney went down to the underground
shelter about 45 minutes earlier than the Commission claims; that he gave the
shoot-down authorization about 25 minutes earlier than the Commission
claims; and that military jets went after and shot down Flight 93. If some committee
had set out to construct a fable about Flight 93, every part of which
could be easily falsified, it could not have improved on the Commission’s tale.
Yet the mainstream media have not reported any of these obvious falsehoods.118
114. The 9/11 Commission Report, op. cit., p. 34, “Nor did the military have 47 minutes to
respond to United 93, as would be implied by the account that it received notice of the
flight’s hijacking at 9:16. By the time the military learned about the flight, it had
crashed.”
115. The 9/11 Commission Report, op. cit., p. 29.
116. FAA clarification memo by Laura Brown, the FAA’s Deputy in Public Affairs (dated
May 21, 2003), to the Kean-Zelikow Commission concerning FAA Communications
with NORAD on September 11, 2001.
117. Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies, op. cit., p. 2, “On my way through the
Operations Center of the Situation Room, Ralph Seigler, the longtime Situation Room
deputy director, grabbed me. ‘We’re on the line with NORAD, on an air threat conference
call.’”
118. David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report, op. cit., p. 237-244.
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September 4th, 2010, 9:41 pm #3

FOX reports Flight 93 deterred by an F-16
and CNN reports FBI confirm another debris field 7 miles away
plus witness John Fleegle - first on the scene... plus Defense Sec. Donald Rumsfeld's "slip of the tongue" ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMrF1caOmOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMrF1caOmOw

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September 4th, 2010, 9:47 pm #4

Here's the source video for the John Fleegle interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA2PriH9Vhc
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September 5th, 2010, 7:11 am #5

Wikipedia says (LOL):
wrote: Flight 93 fragmented violently upon impact. Most of the aircraft wreckage was found near the impact crater.[71] Investigators found some very light debris including paper and nylon scattered up to eight miles (13 km) from the impact point in New Baltimore, Pennsylvania.[72] Other tiny aircraft fragments were found 1.5 miles (2.4 km) away at Indian Lake, Pennsylvania.[73] All human remains were found within a 70 acre (28 ha) area surrounding the impact point.[73] Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. As he walked through the wreckage, the only recognizable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord with five vertebrae attached.[74] Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total.[75] The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.[76] Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24.[77][78] They identified another by September 29.[79] Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27.[80] All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21.
71 ^ "Transcripts – America Under Attack: FBI and State Police Cordon Off Debris Area Six to Eight Miles from Crater Where Plane Went Down". CNN. 2001-09-13. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... bn.01.html. Retrieved 2008-07-22.
72 ^ "'Black box' from Pennsylvania crash found". CNN. 2001-09-13. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/. Retrieved 2008-06-29.
73 ^ a b "Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report". Popular Mechanics. March 2005. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=8. Retrieved 2008-06-29.
74 ^ "On Hallowed Ground". The Age. 2002-09-09. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/ ... 90570.html. Retrieved 2008-08-24.
75 ^ Perl, Peter (2002-05-12). "Hallowed Ground; Nobody asked for this, but as September 11 recedes, a small Pennsylvania town finds itself guardian of an American legend;". The Washington Post.
76 ^ Pressley, Sue A (2002-09-11). "Site of Crash Is 'Hallowed Ground'; In a Pa. Field, Thousands Pay Homage to Where America First Fought Back;". The Washington Post.
77 ^ Gibb, Tom (2001-09-22). "Four Flight 93 victims identified". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2 ... nat3p3.asp. Retrieved 2008-08-24.
78 ^ Lyman, Brian (2001-09-24). "Coroner identifies seven more victims of Flight 93 crash". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2 ... nat5p5.asp. Retrieved 2008-08-24.
79 ^ Associated Press (2001-09-29). "Searchers to return to Flight 93 crash site". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2 ... 0929p3.asp. Retrieved 2008-08-24.
80 ^ Hopey, Don (2001-10-27). "Another 14 victims of Flight 93 identified". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/2 ... 1027p5.asp. Retrieved 2008-08-24.


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911research.wtc7.net wrote:According to the official story Flight 93 crashed after four passengers attacked the hijackers in an attempt to gain control of the airplane. Witnesses describe the plane plunging from the sky at a steep angle.

For a plane that flew into the ground, Flight 93 left a rather widespread debris field. Investigators found a second debris field three miles away from the main crash site at Indian Lake, and a third debris field in New Baltimore, eight miles away. 1 NTSB officials suggested that the debris at these distant locations blew there in the wind after the crash, but eyewitnesses at Indian Lake saw the debris falling out of the sky, like confetti. One of the engines was 600 feet from the main debris field by some accounts and a mile by others. 2
images: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evid ... hanksville


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September 8th, 2010, 5:22 am #6

wrote:'Crash debris found 8 miles away '
By Debra Erdley
TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Stonycreek Township, Somerset County, farmers (from left) William Flamm, Meno Yoder, an unidentified farmer and David Scott watch Thursday as a state police helicopter circles their farm fields looking for evidence from the crash of United Airlines Flight 93. Scott said the FBI agents had tagged corn stalks in fields where debris from the crash had been found. (S.C. Spangler/Tribune-Review photo)

A southeasterly wind and a 3-year-old's keen eye brought the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 home to a family in tiny New Baltimore borough, more than eight miles from the Somerset County crash site.

Three-year-old Hunter Stoe was helping his father, Andy, with the trash Wednesday night when he spied a slip of paper on the grass near the trash can.

When Andy Stoe glanced at the paper, ready to toss it in the trash, he saw it was a charred payroll check made out to Antonio B. Costa of San Jose, Calif.

Investigators now concede the canceled check and a portion of a charred brokerage statement Stoe found nearby on Thursday afternoon are from the crash.

Costa, a 59-year-old construction worker, was not a passenger on Flight 93.

"He's here and fine," his daughter-in-law Leeza Costa said from her San Jose home yesterday afternoon. "We can't figure out how it got there unless maybe they were moving mail or documents for a bank."

Stoe said authorities initially insisted crash debris could not have traveled over a mountain ridge more than eight miles from the crash.

Andy Stoe and son, Hunter. look at a charred payroll check for a San Jose, Calif., man who was not a passinger on United Airlines Flight 93. Hunter found the check outside his New Baltimore home. (S.C. Spangler/Tribune-Review photo)

Late yesterday afternoon, however, FBI Special Agent Bill Crowley said experts from the National Transportation Safety Board had checked weather reports and determined that lightweight materials might well have traveled over the mountain by a southwest wind that reached a speed of 9 knots.

"The NTSB says it is not only plausible, but probable," said Crowley.

About two miles from the crash site, Ron Trent, a 63-year-old third-generation farmer, never imagined anything like it could happen so close to his home. He was stunned when agents asked him to postpone cutting his hay until they can search the field.

Looking over his farm's rolling hills, Trent shoved his cap back on his head and scratched his chin.

"I believe this country is in a bad situation, the situation this country is in right now, and I don't think it's going to get any better.

"That sure is pretty. I'm sure glad I grew up here. I guess it (the crash) really put Shanksville on the map," he said.

Farther down the road, searchers had tied flags in one of David Scott's cornfields to mark areas they wanted to search more closely.

"It's just too bad we couldn't be on the map for something other than disaster," said Scott, chatting with neighbors William Flamm and Meno Yoder, as a state police helicopter circled low over his fields.

Investigators also descended on nearby Indian Lake. The resort community 2 1/2 miles from the crash also became part of the official search area after small pieces of crash debris were recovered from the 750-acre lake.

John Fleegle, an Indian Lake Marina employee, said FBI agents were skeptical of his reports about debris in the lake until they traveled to the lake shore Wednesday afternoon.

Fleegle, marina owner Jim Brant and two of Brant's employees were among the dozens who witnessed the crash from Indian Lake. Fleegle had just returned to the marina to get fuel for a boat that had run out of gas when Carol Delasko called him into the drydock barn to watch news of the World Trade Center attack.

"All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom," said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake.

Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said.

Fleegle, Brant and a fellow marina worker, Tom Spinelli, jumped in a truck and rushed to the crash site.

In the woods, they saw only a crater and tiny pieces of debris.

Fleegle said he climbed on the roof of an abandoned cabin and tossed down a burning seat cushion that had landed there.

By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks.
http://flight93crash.com/MyPittsburghLIVE.htm
linked at http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_s ... field.html

Yet inconsistent evidence suggests the plane didn't break up in the air, because the flight data recorder from the tail of the plane was supposedly found at the crater... the main crash site. Was it a bomb? Apparently not, since FBI said no evidence of explosives was found:
wrote:By KAREN GULLO, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal authorities have charged the first person with
aiding the terrorist hijackers, according to court documents released
Monday. The number of people arrested or detained in the wide-ranging
investigation grew to 352.
...
...
-In the crash of United Flight 93 in Pennsylvania, the FBI has determined
from the onsite investigation that no explosive was involved. Passengers on
the flight said in cell phone calls that one man had what appeared to be a
bomb strapped to him.
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February 1st, 2011, 4:17 am #7



To the left:
Air Algerie - Lockheed L-100-30
Piacenza, Italy
13th August, 2006
7T-VHG

The cargo plane took off from Algiers, Algeria, and was en route to Frankfurt, Germany, when it crashed in the vicinity of Milan, Italy.

The aircraft was in contact with Milan Air Traffic Control but lost contact as it descended through 13 500 ft (4100 m) for an unknown reason. Images from a security camera at a fuel station suggest that the aircraft – a civil version of the Lockheed C-130 military transport – struck the ground at an angle of 45-50° and a speed of 460-485kt.
The impact of the crash was devastating, creating a crater at the point of impact and scattering pieces of the aircraft over several kilometers.

Witnesses’ reports are contradictory: some witnesses have reported seeing the aircraft engines in flames before it crashed; others said the plane exploded in flight. However all of them reported a "loud noise" and an aircraft flying at a "low altitude".

All the 3 crew members perished in the accident. The crash did not injure anyone on the ground. The analysis of the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are necessary to understand what happened.

To the right:
The infamous Val McClatchey photo.
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February 1st, 2011, 10:26 pm #8

Darren wrote:

To the left:
Air Algerie - Lockheed L-100-30
Piacenza, Italy
13th August, 2006
7T-VHG

The cargo plane took off from Algiers, Algeria, and was en route to Frankfurt, Germany, when it crashed in the vicinity of Milan, Italy.

The aircraft was in contact with Milan Air Traffic Control but lost contact as it descended through 13 500 ft (4100 m) for an unknown reason. Images from a security camera at a fuel station suggest that the aircraft – a civil version of the Lockheed C-130 military transport – struck the ground at an angle of 45-50° and a speed of 460-485kt.
The impact of the crash was devastating, creating a crater at the point of impact and scattering pieces of the aircraft over several kilometers.

Witnesses’ reports are contradictory: some witnesses have reported seeing the aircraft engines in flames before it crashed; others said the plane exploded in flight. However all of them reported a "loud noise" and an aircraft flying at a "low altitude".

All the 3 crew members perished in the accident. The crash did not injure anyone on the ground. The analysis of the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are necessary to understand what happened.

To the right:
The infamous Val McClatchey photo.
Wow.. amazingly similar smoke cloud. Presumably it's genuine?

The impact zone..





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