Why no WA1500 in the US??

Why no WA1500 in the US??

Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

January 18th, 2018, 4:43 pm #1

Can anybody explain why the WA1500 is not in the U.S. There are only NRA governed PPC matches and they rarely allow non-LEO shooters. Cannot get a classification or Distinguished, so why even bother.

Thanks for any insight.
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Joined: December 29th, 2016, 8:08 am

January 18th, 2018, 11:38 pm #2

Matches fall away from what I have seen as people get old with no younger shooters coming through other types of matches take over. Action Pistol or 1920 as it was known here in Australia seems to be going through a resurgence in my state after falling away with only 2 clubs holding opens. Now a third and 4th club are opening up their ranges to opens which is exciting for that match, running a mover seems to be this biggest hurdle. WA1500 has this problem that you need 150+ bullets to complete the match which for some shooters is getting expensive so we started to shoot the 60 shot version to try and attract more participants.

We have this 48 shot match that has this attraction to shooters and we can't open up enough ranges to get all the shooters through it on a Saturday, its a case of what the shooters wants the shooters get I guess.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2018, 6:46 pm

January 23rd, 2018, 6:55 pm #3

Can anybody explain why the WA1500 is not in the U.S. There are only NRA governed PPC matches and they rarely allow non-LEO shooters. Cannot get a classification or Distinguished, so why even bother.

Thanks for any insight.
The Pioneer Gun Club has been shooting NRA sanctioned CIVILIAN PPC 1500 matches for the past 2 years. They are not LE matches, but LE are certainly welcomed to participate. We use the same rules as LEAD - well, except for the eligibility requirements. NRA sanctions these matches through the Action Pistol division.

We shoot a 1500, non-sanctioned Distinguished gun and non-sanctioned Duty gun match at each event. We average 10-15 shooters at each event.

So, folks, there are opportunities for Civilians to get an NRA classification card for PPC.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

January 23rd, 2018, 7:36 pm #4

You are doing better than us in STL, Ken. Interest of "new" people in LE has gone down the toilet unfortunately. But, hope springs eternal.LOL
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Joined: September 8th, 2014, 8:24 am

January 24th, 2018, 6:02 am #5

The Pioneer Gun Club has been shooting NRA sanctioned CIVILIAN PPC 1500 matches for the past 2 years. They are not LE matches, but LE are certainly welcomed to participate. We use the same rules as LEAD - well, except for the eligibility requirements. NRA sanctions these matches through the Action Pistol division.

We shoot a 1500, non-sanctioned Distinguished gun and non-sanctioned Duty gun match at each event. We average 10-15 shooters at each event.

So, folks, there are opportunities for Civilians to get an NRA classification card for PPC.
Not a hard answer Ken, the US isn't a member of the World Association 1500, so therefore not entitled to participate in or hold matches.
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in the early '90's the then president of Pistol Australia asked me to investigate matches that we service pistol shooters could participate and compete in eventually as a National team. Action Pistol had just started in Aus and he was looking for a match where service shooters could compete with our current pistols /revolvers with no additional purchase of scopes etc. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon early, but it soon turned into a specialised match, as they all do, PPC included. So the service shooters soon drifted back to their match and the Action shooters specialised in theirs.
At that time WA as it stands today was not in existence but shot under a german style of match (BDMP) in Europe. The NRA had locked out civilians for some time as PPC was only, as it still is, available to LE personnel only, I cannot shoot in the NRA National PPC championships as I am not LE, easy as....

You might also ask, when was the last time the NRA PPC championships was held outside the US, but I can shoot WA1500 throughout the world, we have had the World Championships held in Perth, Western Australia.

So, some 10 years later after some negotiations, Pistol Australia became a member of WA1500 and the rest is history. Yes, the WA does share a common thread in the rule book, but is free to adopt any new rules of the NRA in whole or part, and to modify or adjust them to according to the requirements of national laws.

Ultimately shooters and administrators are their own worst enemy, countries that lock out competitive shooters because "it's ours and we won't share" is doomed for demise, as JB says "hope springs eternal"

cheers
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

January 24th, 2018, 3:26 pm #6

The Pioneer Gun Club has been shooting NRA sanctioned CIVILIAN PPC 1500 matches for the past 2 years. They are not LE matches, but LE are certainly welcomed to participate. We use the same rules as LEAD - well, except for the eligibility requirements. NRA sanctions these matches through the Action Pistol division.

We shoot a 1500, non-sanctioned Distinguished gun and non-sanctioned Duty gun match at each event. We average 10-15 shooters at each event.

So, folks, there are opportunities for Civilians to get an NRA classification card for PPC.
Ken,
Thanks for the reply. do you use the support posts for your matches? Can you send me a match bulletin so that I can see how you wrote it.

I find it interesting with the popularity of tactical matches and training that certain groups hold so dear the LEO only rules in PPC here in the US. I suppose they have their reasons. Everybody in my area has moved over to IDPA or other run and gun events, even LEO's. I just think it would breath in a nice bit of fresh air to the sport to allow civilians to become distinguished.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2018, 6:46 pm

January 24th, 2018, 6:56 pm #7

If you can send me your email I will send the match bulletin.

By "support posts" do you mean the posts used for the barricades on the 25 and 50 yard lines?
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

January 24th, 2018, 8:32 pm #8

Ken,
yes, the barricades. does your range have the slots in the ground for them.

Where I am looking to start at does not have the ability to put stuff in the ground. I would have to build something to have the barricade free standing.

I was able to track down a match bulletin for NRA Action/Civilian PPC.

Thanks.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2018, 6:46 pm

January 25th, 2018, 8:04 pm #9

We do not have slots in the ground. Our barricades (2x6's) are part of the roof support structure at the 50 yard line. We have to move the target frames when shooting at the 3 -7-25 yard distances. Our 25 and 50 yard target lines have turning targets - which are not needed for approved matches.

Good luck getting something started up there. Wish you were closer - another place for a civilians to shoot PPC. ken
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

January 26th, 2018, 2:04 am #10

Ken,
yes, the barricades. does your range have the slots in the ground for them.

Where I am looking to start at does not have the ability to put stuff in the ground. I would have to build something to have the barricade free standing.

I was able to track down a match bulletin for NRA Action/Civilian PPC.

Thanks.
If yu go on line, there are several suggestions using pvc for making these barricade frames. Inexpensive, lightweight and easy to make.
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