Why no WA1500 in the US??

Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

January 26th, 2018, 4:46 pm #11

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into those. I had seen some made from rebar that a 4x4 was inserted into. If the rangemaster will pay for the materials I will look into building some that are portable to move during the match.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

January 26th, 2018, 6:10 pm #12

They will not be as stable as something in ground and/or supported but work in a pinch.
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Joined: January 22nd, 2012, 7:12 pm

February 3rd, 2018, 1:42 am #13

Yes to the NRA Action Pistol Civilian 1500.
also, Michigan Police Combat Pistol Association is open to civilians
and each year has a separate Championship 1500 for LEO and Civilian.

http://www.mpcpa.org/index.html
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

February 3rd, 2018, 5:23 pm #14

The Pioneer Gun Club has been shooting NRA sanctioned CIVILIAN PPC 1500 matches for the past 2 years. They are not LE matches, but LE are certainly welcomed to participate. We use the same rules as LEAD - well, except for the eligibility requirements. NRA sanctions these matches through the Action Pistol division.

We shoot a 1500, non-sanctioned Distinguished gun and non-sanctioned Duty gun match at each event. We average 10-15 shooters at each event.

So, folks, there are opportunities for Civilians to get an NRA classification card for PPC.
We tried opening our matches to civilians due to lack of LE interest, with same poor results. We had 2-3 come out(from Boeing that shot PPC). They shot 2-3 matches and never showed up again. Their scores were not very high and I think their egos got hurt? Also, they saw some of the competitors with the tricked out guns and thought they couldn't compete, even though the matches are geared to stock and service type guns and back only to the 25 yd line. We tried to help and explain not to expect high scores from get go and tried to help as much as possible, to no avail never came back. We tried spreading word that civilians (with firearms experience)were welcome to come out. Nothing.
Ken states 10-15 shooters his events, we would be happy to get that. With the poor turnout of civilians we went back to LE/armed security only. With the new breed of LE coming on the scene, cant get them to come out and participate and they carry a firearm in their job. Some don't even like to get out and qualify once a year.Some do not and will not practice and just barely qual. for their depts.
The running and gunning type competition at some of the private ranges, has stepped in somewhat, where the distance is down to 15 yards and you can spray and pray. PPC is geared to accuracy from 7 yds back to 50yds and many cringe when you say 50yds. So we offer a choice to 25 yds only with stock and service type guns. This is for LE and armed security(that still carry wheel guns).
We are fortunate enough to have access to a nice range with turning targets and good facilities and still cannot generate any interest. One of the main reasons of not coming out, I don't have the "time"! Once a month for an hour or so and they don't have the time. I understand with working and conflict of schedules, but with a large area like the St. Louis Metro area and all the dept's that are here, still cannot get a turnout. We are trying to keep it alive, but the fat lady is about to sing I am afraid.
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Joined: December 29th, 2016, 8:08 am

February 3rd, 2018, 11:30 pm #15

Yup, I can attest to the cringing at 50 yard shooting by many shooters. The other issue is the 150+ round count, lots of people see that as an expense they don't want so they stick to the service 90 shot matches and other shorter easier matches.
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Joined: January 22nd, 2012, 7:12 pm

February 4th, 2018, 3:51 am #16

Good point!
Interesting side note. Taylor Gun Club in Michigan has an indoor shoot every January that pulls in over 500 (FIVE HUNDRED!!) competitors from all walks of life.

They have extremely excellent sponsorship, giving away guns, cash and merchandise!

but, it's 50'...and a 60 round match.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

February 4th, 2018, 7:30 pm #17

Jim, there is your "key", awards and sponsorship. The Nationals and all N.R.A regionals have degenerated to no sponsorship or decent awards. Guns as awards have pretty much disappeared. From some of the feedback, awards at the Nationals have become a joke, except for top shooters. The little guy comes and spends entry fees, lodging, ammo, food, and time it takes and walks away with nothing anymore. Maybe the honor and pride of participation in this distinguishing competition is good enough for some who still come, but for so many not enough. Even the class awards(have been told)have diminished. The door prizes and great banquets are gone. Yep times have changed, for the worse unfortunately.
I still go to a Memphis Regional(46 years) because of the hospitality and good people(not for awards) and they try their best to see that everyone walks away with something. They treat you like they are really glad to see you. They have the same problems everyone else does, lack of sponsorship that they used to get. They have a strong backing from their chief, who, he himself still competes, but hot enough unfortunately to get the turnouts we used to have, not even close. Sad. Ok off my soap box.
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Joined: September 8th, 2014, 8:24 am

February 4th, 2018, 11:08 pm #18

I feel your pain guys, the big competitions are/have slowly killing the sport. There was a time when the little guy could walk away with something, even enough to cover some of the entry fee. Sadly that is gone by the wayside, a handful of primers or a tin of powder if you are really lucky these days for an off gun. I try to work it so the lower grade shooters take the major prizes at our shoot, the big guys have been around long enough and won enough, give the new shooter the incentive, they will hopefully be here in 10 years time after the old shooters have hung their holsters up.

I have a couple of shoots I go too just to support the club, they aren't major events but bust a gut to put on a show. I always donate my prizes back to the club to give out as incentive for those that come in 2nd or 3rd in the lowest grades. I just love the look on their faces when they get called up and go home with a swag of goodies, not knowing where they come from. At least I know they will be back next year.

Unfortunately sponsorship has all but dried up, one of our major gunshots would donate $1000 worth of goodies for our big shoots each time, knowing that he would get return business from the competitors, but a change of owners and that was it.

I suppose we can only hope that sometime in the future shooting will come back into favour, but until then.........
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Joined: January 23rd, 2018, 6:46 pm

February 12th, 2018, 7:16 pm #19

Hey all, just thought I would pass on the dates for our PPC matches in the Kansas City area. These matches are sanctioned by the NRA as Civilian 1500 PPC matches - they are NOT sanctioned events for LE classifications, etc. However all LE are welcomed. All NRA LEAD PPC rules are followed (except for the eligibility requirements). You do not need to be a member of the NRA or Pioneer Gun Club to participate. In fact, your first match with us is "on the house". COF is a 1500 (with turning targets), a Distinguished Gun match, and a Duty Gun match. Entry fee is $15 for one or all events.

Sanctioned events are: 4/28, 5/26, 6/23, 7/28, 8/25, 9/22, and 10/20/2018

We also have several non-NRA PPC events (same format as above) during the course of the summer.

If interested or want more info, please feel free to contact me at keifers@meritcomputing.com - or, of course, though this forum.

Thanks, ken

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