what auto to build?

Joined: January 7th, 2010, 5:19 am

January 7th, 2010, 5:26 am #1

We are just starting ppc in se idaho. My Sheriff is a revolver ppc shooter from a few years back, and when elected this year is trying to get guys excited in the competition. I shot the nationals in 2009 with a stock match kimber .45. my first match in ppc. what an eye opener. another deputy in our department is excited about ppc also is a 1911 gunsmith and willing to help me out in building an auto. What are some things i should be looking for? rib sights? 5 or 6 inch slide? twist barrel? ramped or nonramped barrel for 9mm? What seems to be a common bullet and load for ppc in 9mm? I should have paid more attention at the nationals but i was a little overwhelmed to begin with.
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JB Custom Leather
JB Custom Leather

January 8th, 2010, 12:32 am #2

I hope this will be of some help to you.
The most popular rib comes from Aristocrat and seems to be the premier rib to use for PPC. Cant go wrong with this product my opinion.
As far as bbl. legnth, if you use a 5" bbl, you can use it in open and distinguished matches. A 6" bbl. gives you a longer sight radius and prob. more velocity for 50 yards. Whether you gain a great deal of more accuracy is up for debate my opinion. You will have a little more weight for recoil control and recovery, but how critical that is will be up to you.
BBl. Twist for 9mm is normally 1-16, and can handle bullets from 115 grains up to 147, with some feeling this twist better for the heavier weight bullet. I have read and heard that 1-32 twist for the 115 JHP makes it a tack driver at 50 yards. If you go the 1911 style I think bbls with this twist available. Suggest you check this out on your own. For the money the S&W PPC 9 prob one the best ways to go. Cant get a bbl. for this gun with the 1-32 twist though. Whatever bbl you do go for if you build a gun, dont go cheap. Rock River was building a PPC for a while and I heard that was the twist they used and was supposed to be guaranteed to shoot 1 1/2" groups at 50 yard, but they dont make them anymore for time being. A ramped bbl. is good way to go for function and reliability and is very popular way to go.
STI from what I have heard is good way to go too.
Take into consideration the size of your hands. If small then 1911 frame prob best way. With the Smith,it is build on a double stack frame and bulkier.
This is just some things that I hope is of help to you.
JB
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PPC Ken
PPC Ken

January 8th, 2010, 5:21 pm #3

I have two Bob Marvel 9mm PPC guns - a 6" and a 5". Both shoot 1" groups at 50 yards. If you build only one gun, go with the 5" - you will be giving up all the stuff JB talked about above, BUT you will have a gun for PPC Open class as well as Distinguished class (if you do not put a rib on it). Aristocrat sights are very good and just about universally used on PPC pistols nowadays. I don't know about twist rates (probably got to check on this just for my own info) - the 6" has a KART barrel and the 5" a BarSto. Like I said, both will shoot 1" at 50 yards, just wish that I could, with either Hornady 121 HAPs or Zero 115gr JHP. Glad to see new shooters getting excited about PPC again and that you have upper management supporting and encouraging you. Good luck, ken
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Joined: January 7th, 2010, 5:19 am

January 9th, 2010, 10:20 pm #4

We are just starting ppc in se idaho. My Sheriff is a revolver ppc shooter from a few years back, and when elected this year is trying to get guys excited in the competition. I shot the nationals in 2009 with a stock match kimber .45. my first match in ppc. what an eye opener. another deputy in our department is excited about ppc also is a 1911 gunsmith and willing to help me out in building an auto. What are some things i should be looking for? rib sights? 5 or 6 inch slide? twist barrel? ramped or nonramped barrel for 9mm? What seems to be a common bullet and load for ppc in 9mm? I should have paid more attention at the nationals but i was a little overwhelmed to begin with.
I appreciate the words of advice. Production has begun on the new gun. Sheriff just told me yesterday that our first match is on march 13th. If anybody is around St. Anthony Idaho that time let me know, we would love to see you there!!
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JB Custom Leather
JB Custom Leather

January 9th, 2010, 10:38 pm #5

Thank you for the invite. Love Idaho, but like the Nationals, time and money keeps me from attending. Hope your match(s)are a success.Getting young officers and new shooters out is the key.
If you think about it when your gun is done, post on what the end result is ,and how it turned out for you.
JB
PS, I specialize in custom leather holsters in case you need some help along those lines.
Good luck in your shooting.
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Larry 45
Larry 45

January 26th, 2010, 4:29 pm #6

I appreciate the words of advice. Production has begun on the new gun. Sheriff just told me yesterday that our first match is on march 13th. If anybody is around St. Anthony Idaho that time let me know, we would love to see you there!!
I just met Bob Marvel, nice man. But all my PPC autos have come from Springfield Armory. Debbie Esle and Dave Williams are great folks to work with and know the PPC game, rules and all. With the new rule change allowing 6" guns to shoot Dist. Auto maybe a rule review is in order an you can shoot two matches with one gun, like used to. I shot a 5" in the 1500 and the same gun Distinguished. I felt I was giving up too many points without the extra inch of sight radius (just my rational for a new gun)so I ordered a 6" gun at the SHOT show.
If you get south, check out the Las Vegas Metro PPC matches. Good group of folks too.
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Joined: January 21st, 2010, 9:40 am

January 27th, 2010, 12:29 am #7

We are just starting ppc in se idaho. My Sheriff is a revolver ppc shooter from a few years back, and when elected this year is trying to get guys excited in the competition. I shot the nationals in 2009 with a stock match kimber .45. my first match in ppc. what an eye opener. another deputy in our department is excited about ppc also is a 1911 gunsmith and willing to help me out in building an auto. What are some things i should be looking for? rib sights? 5 or 6 inch slide? twist barrel? ramped or nonramped barrel for 9mm? What seems to be a common bullet and load for ppc in 9mm? I should have paid more attention at the nationals but i was a little overwhelmed to begin with.
Welcome aboard, If I was starting over I would start with a 5" guns so I could definetly shoot both dist and open class and possibly even stock auto ,(if I read the new rules correctly) the quick review guide states rule 3.1 applies to all firearms 3.2-3.9 fixed OR ADJUSTABLE sights allowed. If you are thinking of building a new 6" to use in open and distinguished remember it must be a factory manufactured catalog item, no Caspian or other type parts gun .Springfield and others make 6"-longslide guns but I dont think any of them make a 6" in 9mm all are .45.I would think the new rule to 6" is so glock 34-35 and maybe that F/N thing will pass muster. The 6" smith and wessons and most others with aristocrate sights miss the sight radius rule. I have springfield guns that work and shoot great but you will be a while getting one. The smith performance center guns are great but per their people at the shotshow they are no longer making any PPC guns. If that is true, you could buy a 952 single stack ,fine for PPC,same as 5906, and have smith performance center or your gunsmith slap on a aristocrat rear and front if needed.Remember all S+W come with lifetime warrenty and they are MUCH easier to clean that a 1911 will be , especially if you have full length rods and other stuff on your 1911.The performance center guns seem to be a little less ammo sensitive that the 1911,s also. Goog luck dont forget the regional June 4-5 in Boise. Bob
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Joined: January 7th, 2010, 5:19 am

February 3rd, 2010, 6:35 am #8

Hey Boise sounds great. Maybe all four of us could make it down there. I hadnt heard anything about it, but maybe my Sheriff knows. I know of a match that they shot in pocatello last fall, got rained on all three days. I imagine we will be at that one also. Let me know where to look up that Boise match at.
So the guy that has the post 1911 buildups is another one of the deputies here at fremont co that is building my gun. I bought his slide in the first picture and sticking it on a caspian s.s. frame. Hes got all the parts pretty much now and Ill have to post pics when its done. Thanks for everyones comments.
Ive got a friend at farmington n.m. pd that just started down there. Ive told him about the nationals so maybe he'll show up with a team. Nothing but fun in 2009.
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Winder
Winder

February 5th, 2010, 2:11 am #9

2010 rule changes allow for 6 inch guns for distinguished now, with max sight raduis.
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PPCFW
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February 19th, 2010, 9:05 pm #10

We are just starting ppc in se idaho. My Sheriff is a revolver ppc shooter from a few years back, and when elected this year is trying to get guys excited in the competition. I shot the nationals in 2009 with a stock match kimber .45. my first match in ppc. what an eye opener. another deputy in our department is excited about ppc also is a 1911 gunsmith and willing to help me out in building an auto. What are some things i should be looking for? rib sights? 5 or 6 inch slide? twist barrel? ramped or nonramped barrel for 9mm? What seems to be a common bullet and load for ppc in 9mm? I should have paid more attention at the nationals but i was a little overwhelmed to begin with.
Please keep in mind that a Distinguished Semi Auto gun must be a "Factory Manufactured (catalog item)". That does not eliminate custom guns, like Springfield and Baer, but you cannot got to the guy down the street, and have him build you one. A few years ago at NPSC, there were some shooters who could not get their 5" guns past the Refs. Also the 2010 rules changes seem to fit a 5" Distunguished gun into the Stock Semi Auto catagory. Do not expect this change to survive past this year. I expect the NRA to rewrite the rule to forbid Aristocrat three posistion style sights on Stock guns. The rule change was intended to allow factory installed adjustable sights (combat style) on Stock Semi Autos, not Competition sights. This will be a tough line to draw, and be fair to all manufacturers. The rules were intended to include the extremely popular Glock pistols into the fray, because so many Departments issue them, and lets face it, if you want to get in cheap, they are easy to obtain, and easy to get your money out of when you decide to get a real gun (Hehehe.)
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