Nationals opiniion

Nationals opiniion

Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

October 4th, 2014, 4:34 pm #1

Just logged into the results for this years Nationals. Looks like they had about 238 shoot! What a poor showing for what used to be an elite match. When is the N.R.A. going to wise up and get it to a more central location? Am I wrong? I know PPC is on the down hill course, but with the move to New Mexico went down faster. When they had a chance to locate it in Memphis and didnt, big mistake.What is in Albuqurque to draw people? Nothing I can think of except sand and wind.Just my opinion. Suggestions/opinions?, everyone has one.
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Joined: September 24th, 2014, 10:16 pm

October 4th, 2014, 6:56 pm #2

I drove 26 hours to attend this year and the numbers were sad. The vendor representation was also sad, springfield armory and S&W both were there as always to support those that support them but apparently Sig and STI dont feel the same. It would be nice if they would alternate locations to different regions.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

October 4th, 2014, 8:44 pm #3

Ok, you drove "26" hours to attend a match you prob saved for all year. Poor commercial row, what does that tell you? What do you have once you are there? Anything for spouce or kids to do unless you like looking at sand?
What were the awards like. Was the little guy and new shooters(if any) taken care of? It used to be a really presdigious event!
Any banquets or door prizes anymore?
You talked to the competitors I assume, what is the general consensus about this match now?
Will the N.R.A. listen if majority feel this way? Right now get the feeling NO!
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October 8th, 2014, 9:00 pm #4

DON'T GIVE US NO LIPP !!
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

October 9th, 2014, 12:19 am #5

Just logged into the results for this years Nationals. Looks like they had about 238 shoot! What a poor showing for what used to be an elite match. When is the N.R.A. going to wise up and get it to a more central location? Am I wrong? I know PPC is on the down hill course, but with the move to New Mexico went down faster. When they had a chance to locate it in Memphis and didnt, big mistake.What is in Albuqurque to draw people? Nothing I can think of except sand and wind.Just my opinion. Suggestions/opinions?, everyone has one.
well, I can tell you one thing the NRA could do to increase participation and that's allow civilians. There will be nobody shooting this course in short order, and the sad thing is many people currently shooting it will be alright with that. I've been snubbed a couple of times due to being non L.E.O. but would just like to participate because I like the course of fire compared to all the run and gun pistol events these days, I have no interest in that stuff.
I know some events currently allow civilians but the NRA needs to officially state in the rules that civilians are allowed because many events only allow L.E.O. and their participation is dwindling fast.

What good is it if there is nobody to compete with?

Thanks for letting me rant.
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Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

October 9th, 2014, 2:14 am #6

Well Robert you have a legitimate suggestion my opinion.We opened our PPC matches to civilians in hopes of getting participation.We got one and he never came back. PPC is in stage 4 and teminal. I am afraid you are correct, that many could care less if it was over tomorrow. What a shame. We used to have 40 plus show up at our local matches(St.Louis),now we are lucky to get 5 show. Hell cant even get that many to show up at a regional im many cases. If not wrong I dont think Memphis or Cedar Rapids had that many attend this year.
A lot of the officers would rather play golf, fish ,or do something other than shoot let alone competition. I work at a police academy and try my best to get some of the cadets to come and compete in our matches. Cant get one to show up.Some do not own or have never shot a handgun. They want to be cops, and they show up for the firearms training because they have to(not all)fortunately. They shoot when they train, and that is it for the most part.They go home to their other interests and texting and forget about shooting until next range date. They dont realize or care that competition can be a great training tool. Many will not touch a gun after they graduate.Many after and when they get hired will not shoot except for the one day a year they have to qualify. Many will have to wait 6 mos. to a year before getting hired and forget everything we teach them.
I am finished with my rant. Good luck, hope you dont get snubbed too much in the future.
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Joined: October 9th, 2014, 6:59 pm

October 9th, 2014, 6:59 pm #7

Location isn't the reason for poor attendance. The big problem is the people NRA has running LE Competitions. They are doing their best to destroy PPC, and are doing an excellent job.
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

October 9th, 2014, 7:15 pm #8

I don't know the specifics about who is running PPC but I know that Dennis Willing is the NRA competitions director and from what I have seen he is open to communications. He has 4 Distinguished Badges, 2 are PPC, but I feel that change has to come from the members within the group. If I as a civilian as for change it does not have the same effect as coming from the current shooting group.
If you guys want to see more participation, you have to write him and ask for change. There is only one reason why other action pistol events have increased participation and PPC is dying fast, the people within the group don't want change. The bigger problem is, dying off is a change and that is what they are getting.
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Joined: October 9th, 2014, 8:50 pm

October 9th, 2014, 8:48 pm #9

DENNIS WILLING IS IN CHARGE OF NRA COMPETITIONS, YES. BUT PPC IS NOT GOVERNED BY NRA COMPETITIONS DIVISION. IT IS AUTONOMOUS UNDER THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SECTION. JP
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Joined: July 2nd, 2014, 2:27 pm

October 10th, 2014, 5:36 pm #10

JP, thanks for your reply, i've seen your name in many forums over the years. I can see how civilians would not be allowed at the Police National's and I agree with that. I emailed Dennis and he forwarded it to Glen at the Police side. I guess my point is that the rulebook, in my reading, doesn't state specifically that civilians can shoot at Regional events and below.
I think because of this specific non-wording that match directors dismiss any requests to attend even though Glen replied to me that there is a civilian division in PPC. I don't know how the Canadian or European rule book is worded but the sport is very popular there compared to the US and I think we can improve that here with a rulebook wording change. I had sent a couple of requests to match directors and they quickly replied "NO" because I was not LEO. Why is there a civilian division if we are not allowed to compete at Regional events?
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