Nationals- Not confirmed

Nationals- Not confirmed

Joined: August 21st, 2013, 3:31 pm

June 16th, 2015, 4:22 pm #1

This is an information e-mail I received. Not confirmed, but pretty much what has been rumored. All rumors have to be considered with a grain of salt until proven out of course.




This sent to me by a good friend:

Honestly, I expect no less with the direction of the N.R.A. with the Nationals , and lack of participation and recruitment of new interest from LE. I hope I am wrong, but the demise of PPC is around the corner. With the relocation and "other" signs pretty much indicative of just that.

I cannot say for sure but think this originally came from retired Deputy Chief Mike Castro, Albuquerque PD.


I thought I would give you the heads up on some recent and future changes for the NPSC. This years competition will only see one 1500. The shooter will get to choose his or her best tool, revolver or Semi auto, and they will shoot only one 1500 for the overall score. They are also planning on doing the same for the Service matches, but it is still unclear if that will occur at this years competition.

As for the Distinguished, those with current points (I think what is meant is those already distinguished) making them eligible for the Distinguished Award will be discouraged from shooting. They instead will focus on those shooters who have yet to achieve enough points. This is the NRA's response to shooter complaints regarding the length and expense of the NPSC. As a result, the NPSC will wrap up on Wednesday .

For the future, the NRA will be phasing out Revolver competitions entirely in the next three years. This has been a discussion recently, and the NRA believes it will be better for the sport of PPC. Most of these changes were made at the top level and are still being ironed out. I am certain the elimination of revolvers will cause great controversy among the ranks. The future focus on Semi auto shooting, they believe, will be more consistent with the current state of American and International Law Enforcement and encourage more shooters.

The TPC or three- gun will continue to gain prominence at this event and may even blossom into additional fast paced shooting events including handguns, rifles and shot guns.

I have waited to say anything about these proposals until I met again with
the Director to discuss these issues. I met with Glen Hoyer yesterday and
he affirmed these changes.
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June 16th, 2015, 7:08 pm #2

This appears to be sad but true JB. PPC Shooters, current and retired, need to voice our opposition to these changes. I am posting an email response from former NRA Director Tom Gaines regarding this issue:

Jerry and ALL

It will take your sincere comments and observations and those of MANY,* MANY PPC shooters, past and present, and NPSC attendees past and present to speak out and make your voices known.

You must marshal your voices, in writing, NATIONWIDE ASAP.

Build an EMAIL list of those willing to make an effort.

Expel the timid, the hand wringers, the excuse makers, and the unwilling. Get on, get off or get out of the way.

This endeavor encompasses the sharpshooter to the High Master to the National Champions, past and present.

Specifically I recommend a huge number of comments, like yours,

be sent to : Wayne La Pierre Exec. Vice-President

Millie Hallow, Exec. Asst. to Wayne LaPierre

Alan Cors NRA President

Pete Brownell NRA 1st Vice Pres.

Richard Childress NRA 2nd Vice Pres.

AND

Each and every Member of the Board of Directors--They all have email and home or business addresses. Snail Mail is still very effective.

The alternative is to sit on your hands, do nothing and watch the destruction of the NPSC and PPC matches nation wide as we know it.


Keep it polite but assertively professional.

Tom Gaines, Asst. Chief US Border Patrol, ret

PPC competitor since 1961*

Perhaps someone here who is good at composing the necessary form letter that we can edit as we see fit, will do so, so that we can get our voices heard.

Al Culbertson
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June 16th, 2015, 10:56 pm #3

Al,
From your post this seems to be factual and is evident of the gradual degeneration and demise of PPC and the NPSC as it was and we knew it to be, that drew competitors from everywhere. Unfortunately it is in the same realm of what this country has degraded into with political agendas and special interests calling the shots. Unless there is the mass willing to say enough is enough and stand in unity, it will continue on the fatal decline that it is headed. How many that read these posts or see what is happening are willing to do something like Tom suggested. I began PPC and the Nationals in Bloomington Indiana and have seen it go from an enjoyable, positive training tool with extensive participation with new people all the time to the almost extinct discipline it has evolved into. What a shame.
I hate to say it, the N.R.A. has become a money oriented corporation rather then the organization I joined back in 1959 with its agenda geared more for shooting sports and training programs geared to everyone's ability to participate no matter their status. Maybe in my old age I have become cynical in my philosophy and outlook, but from those I talk to, not alone. Politics and financial goals has definitely altered their behavior.
This move to New Mexico no matter what anyone says cant change my mind, that it sealed the fate of PPC and the NSPC. So they intend to keep it there and alter the program that will drive even more away from this competition with seemly uncaring blindness. Oh well.
Every year it gets worse, and this not just me that sees this. Of course the economy and the total lack of backing and support from so many of the departments due to their own financial limitations from the politicians that control the budgets, including many of the police chiefs themselves that answer to the politicos, especially if they want to hold their position.
I know there are those that will say I am all wrong and full of it, but this is the way I see it and saw it happening gradually over a period of time like Tom said "should have marshaled our voices" long time ago before there is no reversing.
This is just my opinion of course and hope I didn't insult anyone.
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June 17th, 2015, 2:59 am #4

The following is additional info from a friend that supports what is going to happen.

I talked to Castro this morning. He said that the single 1500 and having the distinguished matches for non-distinguished shooters only "is" going to happen. As far as the phasing revolvers out of PPC, his words were, "there are a lot of things that get discussed that don't often come to fruition."

If they do decide to phase out the revolvers, prob wont happen right away, but from all indications this appears like a goal on their behalf sooner or later.
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June 17th, 2015, 3:34 am #5

Al,
From your post this seems to be factual and is evident of the gradual degeneration and demise of PPC and the NPSC as it was and we knew it to be, that drew competitors from everywhere. Unfortunately it is in the same realm of what this country has degraded into with political agendas and special interests calling the shots. Unless there is the mass willing to say enough is enough and stand in unity, it will continue on the fatal decline that it is headed. How many that read these posts or see what is happening are willing to do something like Tom suggested. I began PPC and the Nationals in Bloomington Indiana and have seen it go from an enjoyable, positive training tool with extensive participation with new people all the time to the almost extinct discipline it has evolved into. What a shame.
I hate to say it, the N.R.A. has become a money oriented corporation rather then the organization I joined back in 1959 with its agenda geared more for shooting sports and training programs geared to everyone's ability to participate no matter their status. Maybe in my old age I have become cynical in my philosophy and outlook, but from those I talk to, not alone. Politics and financial goals has definitely altered their behavior.
This move to New Mexico no matter what anyone says cant change my mind, that it sealed the fate of PPC and the NSPC. So they intend to keep it there and alter the program that will drive even more away from this competition with seemly uncaring blindness. Oh well.
Every year it gets worse, and this not just me that sees this. Of course the economy and the total lack of backing and support from so many of the departments due to their own financial limitations from the politicians that control the budgets, including many of the police chiefs themselves that answer to the politicos, especially if they want to hold their position.
I know there are those that will say I am all wrong and full of it, but this is the way I see it and saw it happening gradually over a period of time like Tom said "should have marshaled our voices" long time ago before there is no reversing.
This is just my opinion of course and hope I didn't insult anyone.
This is pretty funny or really sad , I posted (or attempted to post ) a topic on this forum last night, but it didnt go through.
Yesterday I went to the NRA LE Competitions page to look for info on the NPSC. The dates were there and a phone number to call for in. However if you punched up the TACTICAL Match there was all the info , dates ,events,entry info ,ammo etc.

GEE ! , I thought what message are you putting out here.

Well here we go again,it seem like the second year that NPSC moved to New Mexico it ha been nothing but a big "bait and switch".
Remember when we used to get a nice booklet telling you about the event and matches with prizes listed and all the info you could want. Then suddenly no book or info and when you got to New Mexico BLAM, OH !!!! we changed afew things heres the NEW award schedule and it being done because we are tired of the same people ( who work hard ,invest the most time, money,effort) of winning everything so we changed it up and now it will be better because more people can win a gun and that will fix everything.
OH additionally the match is going to be administered terribly and so on and so forth, you know the rest. In this case it wasnt so much about the prizes as how it was done.

Complaints fell on deaf ears so it just has gotten worse from there.EVERY year changes and not for the good.

Look at all the stand around ,standing on line,etc, not because the equipment is down, but because someone in the tower has no idea whats going on.Last year we stood on line so many times for 20-30 minutes after last call it was terrible.
It only show that no one cares about the competitors. AND come on how can you enjoy a trip when you are on the range from 0800 to 1700 or later.
If they want to shorten the match, get rid of the additional junk they have added, there is no need for a Stock auto team match,or production class anything. If you want, do like the Bianchi Cup add a production class to the open event,that way if someone wanted to experience shooting they could do that. BUT really are the National Championship the place to worry about getting new shooters,NO.

GET RID OF THE PARASITE TACTICAL MATCH, do you really think people drive all the way to NM to shoot a 1 day,tact match.
AND if you think they will FINE, SCHEDULE IT ANOTHER TIME/DATE. A couple years ago one of the Match Directors from APD actually told me that most of the prizes ,from sponsors, were donated for his Tactical Match. REALLY !!! talk about the tail wagging the dog. I would love to hear what he told sponsors when he was asking for donations , IM SURE he never mentioned the National Police Shooting Championships.
The LE committee has been lucky the last couple years and Bob Vadaz has won everything, so it hasnt made a difference, BUT can anyone tell me how the CHAMPION is chosen.
Two years ago the NRA had (2) Women Champions, some articles listed one champion and others listed another. KINDA confusing.

I know Marc Lipp reads this sometimes because I've seen him post here. I wish someone in the LE Competition group would have the guts to openly post on the NRA LE website the current changes they are proposing.OR are forcing on us, prior to the match, and at least give some sort of explanation. For most purposes cutting our sport in half isnt going to HELP anything so dont try to say that, people who just started shooting and now can basically throw one gun (they spent money for) away isnt going to help anything.

We have gotten 8-10 new shooters to start shooting over the last 4-5 years,these folks like the difficulty of PPC and the fundamentals it drives home. It has nothing to do with winning guns or being able to shoot duty type guns. There are tons of local matches where the prize tables are way better and the competition way less than NPSC. WITHOUT all the cost/ time associated with the NPSC trip. No one comes JUST to win a gun,or guns, its a nice add on , BUT we come for the competition and to prove your one of the best, or the best,LE shooter or team. Several years ago at NM I was the top municipal shooter is one of the open events, When I went to get my award, I was given 6th or 8th HM. When I asked for an explanation the woman told me 8th HM was a better prize than 1st Municipal. See, the people working there just dont get it. I didnt know you could even WIN 8th place anything.

Dont ruin our sport to try to promote another.The NRA will never be able to compete with the awards given at the various 3 gun matches around the country.None of our 3 gun shooters want to go to NM and we have a team of about 30 shooters. We try to get them to go every year but they dont feel its worth it.

IM old now and not very good shooting PPC anymore, so it really doesnt concern ME that much ( bullseye here I come)HA! , but Im sorry for the younger guys I got involved in this sport, to have it constantly changed and reworked every year. How did it last from 1962- 2005 without someone being concerned if someone changed the front/ rear sight on their Distinguished semi auto, from factory. Hey how did AT custom and Springfield make the first distinguished guns anyway.. I wish the new shooters could have experienced PPC in its earlier days . How come hurricanes in Mississippi were more fun than clear days in NM.
I dont expect anything we do as shooters to change the events happening, BUT I , and my teaqmmates will gladly participate in any effort to keep thing from gettin worse.
Bob Barnes,retired Capt. LAPD Pistol Team




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June 17th, 2015, 3:35 am #6

The following is additional info from a friend that supports what is going to happen.

I talked to Castro this morning. He said that the single 1500 and having the distinguished matches for non-distinguished shooters only "is" going to happen. As far as the phasing revolvers out of PPC, his words were, "there are a lot of things that get discussed that don't often come to fruition."

If they do decide to phase out the revolvers, prob wont happen right away, but from all indications this appears like a goal on their behalf sooner or later.
This is pretty funny or really sad , I posted (or attempted to post ) a topic on this forum last night, but it didnt go through.
Yesterday I went to the NRA LE Competitions page to look for info on the NPSC. The dates were there and a phone number to call for in. However if you punched up the TACTICAL Match there was all the info , dates ,events,entry info ,ammo etc.

GEE ! , I thought what message are you putting out here.

Well here we go again,it seem like the second year that NPSC moved to New Mexico it ha been nothing but a big "bait and switch".
Remember when we used to get a nice booklet telling you about the event and matches with prizes listed and all the info you could want. Then suddenly no book or info and when you got to New Mexico BLAM, OH !!!! we changed afew things heres the NEW award schedule and it being done because we are tired of the same people ( who work hard ,invest the most time, money,effort) of winning everything so we changed it up and now it will be better because more people can win a gun and that will fix everything.
OH additionally the match is going to be administered terribly and so on and so forth, you know the rest. In this case it wasnt so much about the prizes as how it was done.

Complaints fell on deaf ears so it just has gotten worse from there.EVERY year changes and not for the good.

Look at all the stand around ,standing on line,etc, not because the equipment is down, but because someone in the tower has no idea whats going on.Last year we stood on line so many times for 20-30 minutes after last call it was terrible.
It only show that no one cares about the competitors. AND come on how can you enjoy a trip when you are on the range from 0800 to 1700 or later.
If they want to shorten the match, get rid of the additional junk they have added, there is no need for a Stock auto team match,or production class anything. If you want, do like the Bianchi Cup add a production class to the open event,that way if someone wanted to experience shooting they could do that. BUT really are the National Championship the place to worry about getting new shooters,NO.

GET RID OF THE PARASITE TACTICAL MATCH, do you really think people drive all the way to NM to shoot a 1 day,tact match.
AND if you think they will FINE, SCHEDULE IT ANOTHER TIME/DATE. A couple years ago one of the Match Directors from APD actually told me that most of the prizes ,from sponsors, were donated for his Tactical Match. REALLY !!! talk about the tail wagging the dog. I would love to hear what he told sponsors when he was asking for donations , IM SURE he never mentioned the National Police Shooting Championships.
The LE committee has been lucky the last couple years and Bob Vadaz has won everything, so it hasnt made a difference, BUT can anyone tell me how the CHAMPION is chosen.
Two years ago the NRA had (2) Women Champions, some articles listed one champion and others listed another. KINDA confusing.

I know Marc Lipp reads this sometimes because I've seen him post here. I wish someone in the LE Competition group would have the guts to openly post on the NRA LE website the current changes they are proposing.OR are forcing on us, prior to the match, and at least give some sort of explanation. For most purposes cutting our sport in half isnt going to HELP anything so dont try to say that, people who just started shooting and now can basically throw one gun (they spent money for) away isnt going to help anything.

We have gotten 8-10 new shooters to start shooting over the last 4-5 years,these folks like the difficulty of PPC and the fundamentals it drives home. It has nothing to do with winning guns or being able to shoot duty type guns. There are tons of local matches where the prize tables are way better and the competition way less than NPSC. WITHOUT all the cost/ time associated with the NPSC trip. No one comes JUST to win a gun,or guns, its a nice add on , BUT we come for the competition and to prove your one of the best, or the best,LE shooter or team. Several years ago at NM I was the top municipal shooter is one of the open events, When I went to get my award, I was given 6th or 8th HM. When I asked for an explanation the woman told me 8th HM was a better prize than 1st Municipal. See, the people working there just dont get it. I didnt know you could even WIN 8th place anything.

Dont ruin our sport to try to promote another.The NRA will never be able to compete with the awards given at the various 3 gun matches around the country.None of our 3 gun shooters want to go to NM and we have a team of about 30 shooters. We try to get them to go every year but they dont feel its worth it.

IM old now and not very good shooting PPC anymore, so it really doesnt concern ME that much ( bullseye here I come)HA! , but Im sorry for the younger guys I got involved in this sport, to have it constantly changed and reworked every year. How did it last from 1962- 2005 without someone being concerned if someone changed the front/ rear sight on their Distinguished semi auto, from factory. Hey how did AT custom and Springfield make the first distinguished guns anyway.. I wish the new shooters could have experienced PPC in its earlier days . How come hurricanes in Mississippi were more fun than clear days in NM.
I dont expect anything we do as shooters to change the events happening, BUT I , and my teaqmmates will gladly participate in any effort to keep thing from gettin worse.
Bob Barnes,retired Capt. LAPD Pistol Team
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June 17th, 2015, 3:33 pm #7

This is an information e-mail I received. Not confirmed, but pretty much what has been rumored. All rumors have to be considered with a grain of salt until proven out of course.




This sent to me by a good friend:

Honestly, I expect no less with the direction of the N.R.A. with the Nationals , and lack of participation and recruitment of new interest from LE. I hope I am wrong, but the demise of PPC is around the corner. With the relocation and "other" signs pretty much indicative of just that.

I cannot say for sure but think this originally came from retired Deputy Chief Mike Castro, Albuquerque PD.


I thought I would give you the heads up on some recent and future changes for the NPSC. This years competition will only see one 1500. The shooter will get to choose his or her best tool, revolver or Semi auto, and they will shoot only one 1500 for the overall score. They are also planning on doing the same for the Service matches, but it is still unclear if that will occur at this years competition.

As for the Distinguished, those with current points (I think what is meant is those already distinguished) making them eligible for the Distinguished Award will be discouraged from shooting. They instead will focus on those shooters who have yet to achieve enough points. This is the NRA's response to shooter complaints regarding the length and expense of the NPSC. As a result, the NPSC will wrap up on Wednesday .

For the future, the NRA will be phasing out Revolver competitions entirely in the next three years. This has been a discussion recently, and the NRA believes it will be better for the sport of PPC. Most of these changes were made at the top level and are still being ironed out. I am certain the elimination of revolvers will cause great controversy among the ranks. The future focus on Semi auto shooting, they believe, will be more consistent with the current state of American and International Law Enforcement and encourage more shooters.

The TPC or three- gun will continue to gain prominence at this event and may even blossom into additional fast paced shooting events including handguns, rifles and shot guns.

I have waited to say anything about these proposals until I met again with
the Director to discuss these issues. I met with Glen Hoyer yesterday and
he affirmed these changes.
I hope someone out there can help some of us that are not computer literate. I only have email addresses for Glen Hoyer: ghoyer@nrahq.org and Marc Lipp: mlipp@nrahq.org. Does someone have email and physical mailing address for the board of directors? I just tried to find them on the NRA website and can not find a listing of who the board members are at all. I know the Director and other officers of the NRA can be reached by mailing a letter to the NRA headquarters. But how do we contact our elected board members individually who hopefully if they hear from enough of us will put the pressure on Glen Hoyer and Marc Lipp to not take away anything from the Nationals.

I have a question. Glen Hoyer is reportedly saying that competitors are complaining about the length of the Nationals. I have attended the Nationals for the past 7 years. I have never heard of anyone complaining of the length of the Nationals. For the last three years I have attended the "competitors meeting" on Tuesday night hosted by Glen Hoyer and Marc Lipp. I know I am hard of hearing but I swear I have never heard of anyone complaining about how long the Nationals were. In fact, when the NRA tried to cut the Nationals short last year by having the team matches scored by using the open class scores, enough complaints were received that the fired team matches were added back in. So complaining does help to some extent. Hopefully the cometitors that complained about not firing the team matches will be just as vocal about these proposed changes so we all can enjoy shooting all these different firearms that we have acquired over the years.

I will say this, and I know Marc Lipp looks at this forum because he has posted to this forum before. For several years I have provided information to Marc Lipp about Atlanta Arms and Ammo offering to provide certificates for ammunition as prizes at the Nationals. Last year I again asked Marc about contacting Mr. Wisner at Atlanta Arms and Ammo. Marc Lipp assured me again that he would "work" on this, and stressed how busy he is. Well, the Nationals are two months away and it will be interesting to see if there are any certificates from Atlanta Arms and Ammo. I was always taught that you don't look a gift horse in the mouth. When a company like Atlanta Arms and Ammo offers to provide certificates for ammunition a lot of us "department un-funded" shooters would give our right arm for, I would think that the NRA would jump on it!

My last thought. I do hear from a contingent of people of how the Nationals have gone down hill since moving to Albuquerque. How attendence would go up if the Nationals were moved to say Memphis or back to Jackson. I don't hear what if anything is being done to try to either accomplish this or if anything at all is even being worked on by anyone. Glen Hoyer and Marc Lipp do say at the competitors meeting that no other agency has stepped up to the plate and offers the NRA what the City of Albuquerque has for facilities and the help to run the Nationals. Is there another agency or a combination of agencies out there that can match or beat what Albuquerque offers to start hosting the Nationals?
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June 17th, 2015, 11:01 pm #8

This is pretty funny or really sad , I posted (or attempted to post ) a topic on this forum last night, but it didnt go through.
Yesterday I went to the NRA LE Competitions page to look for info on the NPSC. The dates were there and a phone number to call for in. However if you punched up the TACTICAL Match there was all the info , dates ,events,entry info ,ammo etc.

GEE ! , I thought what message are you putting out here.

Well here we go again,it seem like the second year that NPSC moved to New Mexico it ha been nothing but a big "bait and switch".
Remember when we used to get a nice booklet telling you about the event and matches with prizes listed and all the info you could want. Then suddenly no book or info and when you got to New Mexico BLAM, OH !!!! we changed afew things heres the NEW award schedule and it being done because we are tired of the same people ( who work hard ,invest the most time, money,effort) of winning everything so we changed it up and now it will be better because more people can win a gun and that will fix everything.
OH additionally the match is going to be administered terribly and so on and so forth, you know the rest. In this case it wasnt so much about the prizes as how it was done.

Complaints fell on deaf ears so it just has gotten worse from there.EVERY year changes and not for the betterment of our sport.

THE NPSC is too long , I agree.But dont shorten it by cutting out the main events or team championship ,like you wanted to do last year.
Look at all the stand around time ,standing on line,etc, not because the equipment is down, but because someone in the tower has no idea whats going on.Last year we stood on line so many times for 20-30 minutes after last call it was terrible.
It only show that no one cares about the competitors. Come on. How can you enjoy a trip when you are on the range from 0800 to 1700 or later.
If they want to shorten the match, get rid of the additional junk they have added, there is no need for a Stock auto team match,or production class anything. If you want, do like the Bianchi Cup add a production class to the open event,that way if someone wanted to experience shooting they could do that. BUT really are the National Championship the place to worry about getting new shooters.
That should be accomplished during the PPC season at local matches. The NPSC should be the icing on the cake.

BIGGEST THING TO GET RID OF !!!!!!
GET RID OF THE PARASITE TACTICAL MATCH, do you really think people drive all the way to NM to shoot a 1 day,tactical match.
AND if you think they will FINE, SCHEDULE IT ANOTHER TIME/DATE. A couple years ago one of the Match Directors from APD actually told me that most of the prizes ,from sponsors, were donated for his Tactical Match. REALLY !!! talk about the tail wagging the dog. I would love to hear what he told sponsors when he was asking for donations , IM SURE he never mentioned the National Police Shooting Championships.

The LE committee has been lucky the last couple years and Bob Vadaz has won everything, so it hasnt made a difference, BUT can anyone tell me how the CHAMPION is chosen.
Two years ago the NRA had (2) Women Champions, some articles listed one champion and others listed another. KINDA confusing.

I know Marc Lipp reads this sometimes because I've seen him post here. I wish someone in the LE Competition group would have the guts to openly post on the NRA LE website the current changes they are proposing.or are forcing on us, prior to the match, and at least give some sort of explanation. For most purposes cutting our sport in half isnt going to HELP anything so dont try to say that, people who just started shooting and now can basically throw one gun (they spent money for) away isnt going to help anything.

We have gotten 8-10 new shooters to start shooting over the last 4-5 years,these folks like the difficulty of PPC and the fundamentals it drives home. It has nothing to do with winning guns or being able to shoot duty type guns. There are tons of local matches where the prize tables are way better and the competition way less than NPSC. WITHOUT all the cost/ time associated with the NPSC trip. No one comes JUST to win a gun,or guns, its a nice add on , BUT we come for the competition and to prove your one of the best, or the best,LE shooter or team. Several years ago at NM I was the top municipal shooter is one of the open events, When I went to get my award, I was given 8th or 10th HM. When I asked for an explanation the woman told me 8th HM was a better prize than 1st Municipal. See, the people working there just dont get it. I didnt know you could even WIN 8th place anything.

Dont ruin our sport to try to promote another.The NRA will never be able to compete with the awards given at the various 3 gun matches around the country.None of our 3 gun shooters want to go to NM and we have a team of about 30 shooters. We try to get them to go every year but they dont feel its worth it.

IM old now and not very good shooting PPC anymore, so it really doesnt concern ME that much ( bullseye here I come)HA! , but Im sorry for the younger guys I got involved in this sport, to have it constantly changed and reworked every year. How did it last from 1962- 2005 without someone being concerned if someone changed the front/ rear sight on their Distinguished semi auto, from factory. Hey how did AT custom and Springfield make the first distinguished guns anyway.. I wish the new shooters could have experienced PPC in its earlier days . How come hurricanes in Mississippi were more fun than clear days in NM.
I dont expect anything we do as shooters to change the events happening, BUT I , and my teammates will gladly participate in any effort to keep things from gettin worse.PLEASE keep us posted here with any additional info/efforts. Thanks,
Bob Barnes,Capt. LAPD Pistol Team
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June 17th, 2015, 11:21 pm #9

Just to clarify something, The NPSC itself is not too long, 4 days 5 if you count sunday.However most people come for the regional and NPSC, so if you cut out the Tactical Match,put the regional back to friday/saturday you could shorten the overall trip, for most, by a day. Also the other suggestions,would shorten the time spent daily at the range and give competitors a little more time to relax and enjoy each day. Thats what I meant in my suggestions , Thanks Bob
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June 18th, 2015, 3:59 am #10

Bob Barnes your comments are spot on much more to come on this, get involved post here and write or email NRA often and encourage others to do the same. Interesting how this info has leaked out rather than being available on the NPSC info site. With only a few weeks till Nationals when would we have found out about these changes if it weren't for (WATERGATE)THE FOX HAS ENTERED THE HENHOUSE. For me these Championships have been a huge source of Honor and accomplishment and I just checked and a revolver still fits my hands just as well as my semi autos do. I enjoy shooting both equally and don't appreciate anyone telling me shooting a revolver is irrelevant as a part of these championships.This has become a Corporation who's employees no longer matter and management has no investment in the considerable capital outlay dedication mental and physical involved in competing at this level.How about we tell the three gun shooters or the Camp Perry shooters that they need to choose only one gun in their Championships because someone has decided they know what you really want and what's best for you! Sadly this seems to be another slight on PPC and Law Enforcement. Jerry Eason
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