Bill Davis Passing

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April 10th, 2018, 11:45 am #11

Sad news! Bill Davis has Passed away, this morning I believe. No details as yet. He was a great PPC Champion ,innovator, Business man ,team mate, and friend. The PPC World has lost another great one, as has the firearms industry. I suspect Bill and Jim Collins have scheduled a match soon and will again match each other shot for shot as always, along with all the other PPC shooters invited to the match.
Jerry,

So sorry to reply so late but I've only just joined the forum. I was very sorry to hear of Bill's passing as he made my PPC revolver in 1979 when it was the Cake Davis company. I had a stainless, slab-sided barrel with a Davis rib and double-action only. He didn't have grades then, just a few options, I still have the catalogue he sent me. I was a member of Marylebone Rifle and Pistol Club which started the Heron International 1500 in 1984. Bill came over in 1987 and then you and Marc Cobb came over in 1988. It was also sad to realise that Jim Collins of the Alabama State Troopers had passed away. I got the revolver 5 years before we got to shoot PPC but I was always trying to get a Match together. I found out about PPC through the American Rifleman and at that time (1978) the big name seemed to be Jim Collins. He was my inspiration and I seem to remember a Federal Cartridge advert in the American Rifleman when he shot 1500-126x. Unfortunately we can't shoot pistols over here any more so I am left with memories. Bill came down to our Club in '87 and spent the evening regaling us with stories of the matches he'd been to. He was a real gentleman.

When did Jim Collins pass away? One of our Club members who was a policeman went to the Nationals one year and had his photo taken with him.

Best wishes from the UK.

Pete Luton
Hon. Secretary, Marylebone Rifle & Pistol Club
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April 10th, 2018, 2:40 pm #12

Pete great hearing from you! I'm sorry I'm not sure of the date of Jim Collins passing but it's been four or five years now I suspect. During our lifetime we meet many people, and some of those effect or lives in a way hard to express. Through PPC competition I have met some of the finest people I will ever meet, who have made a lasting impression on me. Jim Collins was certainly one of them. Through Bill Davis I became friends with Jim and I will always remember his encouragement about my shooting. You folks at the Heron 1500 were great hosts to Marc and I in 1988 and I will always remember that great trip and all our UK friends. JPE
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April 11th, 2018, 2:41 pm #13

Jerry,

So sorry to reply so late but I've only just joined the forum. I was very sorry to hear of Bill's passing as he made my PPC revolver in 1979 when it was the Cake Davis company. I had a stainless, slab-sided barrel with a Davis rib and double-action only. He didn't have grades then, just a few options, I still have the catalogue he sent me. I was a member of Marylebone Rifle and Pistol Club which started the Heron International 1500 in 1984. Bill came over in 1987 and then you and Marc Cobb came over in 1988. It was also sad to realise that Jim Collins of the Alabama State Troopers had passed away. I got the revolver 5 years before we got to shoot PPC but I was always trying to get a Match together. I found out about PPC through the American Rifleman and at that time (1978) the big name seemed to be Jim Collins. He was my inspiration and I seem to remember a Federal Cartridge advert in the American Rifleman when he shot 1500-126x. Unfortunately we can't shoot pistols over here any more so I am left with memories. Bill came down to our Club in '87 and spent the evening regaling us with stories of the matches he'd been to. He was a real gentleman.

When did Jim Collins pass away? One of our Club members who was a policeman went to the Nationals one year and had his photo taken with him.

Best wishes from the UK.

Pete Luton
Hon. Secretary, Marylebone Rifle & Pistol Club
Pete,
Jim Died Oct,27th 2015. I knew Jim when he was shooting at the Nationals and I started at Pearl Mississippi. He always had time for the little guy and to talk to them and answer any questions. He was a great shot and a great person. Later we became closer friends and I would call and talk to him on a monthly basis when his health began to fail and he was still working for Zero Bullet Company. Last time I saw him in person was at a Bianchi Match in Columbia Mo. I live in Missouri and drove up from St. Louis to see him. He was having problems then, but seemed he was doing ok considering. Spent most of day talking and reminiscing about good times.
I shot Nationals about 30 years(golden years) and had seen Jim in Jackson Mississippi at the last match there, and he had taken up golf and was doing pretty good with that. He joked about his call to fame was teaching Phillip Hemphill everything he knew. Prob a lot of truth to that, LOL.
I knew Bill from Nationals, and more so from the 4 Queens Matches in Las Vegas. Never without a cigar. I talked to him about 2-3 months before he passed away. He was one of a kind for sure.
BTW, are you familiar with a Roland Miles from Canada? He is a civilian shooter that shoots the international matches, 1490 shooter and won some matches .
It is a shame, but PPC for LE has slowly died and getting new competitors has just about went down the dumper. Civilians still shooting in some areas actually doing pretty good, as well as in Canada and Australia. Times have changed.
Jack Bender
Secretary St.Louis Metro Combat League.
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April 12th, 2018, 9:53 am #14

Jack,

Thanks for the information on the passing of Jim Collins. It never ceases to amaze me how the bad guys seem to live so long and the good guys like Bill and Jim are taken from us far too soon. Bill came down to our Club in London when he was over here in '87 and it was before the ban on indoor smoking over here. He certainly did like cigars. He told us about some of the matches he'd been to but my abiding memory of him was his comment "If I see one more goddam castle, I'm gonna to throw up!".
Best wishes,
Pete Luton
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April 12th, 2018, 10:16 am #15

Pete great hearing from you! I'm sorry I'm not sure of the date of Jim Collins passing but it's been four or five years now I suspect. During our lifetime we meet many people, and some of those effect or lives in a way hard to express. Through PPC competition I have met some of the finest people I will ever meet, who have made a lasting impression on me. Jim Collins was certainly one of them. Through Bill Davis I became friends with Jim and I will always remember his encouragement about my shooting. You folks at the Heron 1500 were great hosts to Marc and I in 1988 and I will always remember that great trip and all our UK friends. JPE
Jerry,

The gun I bought off Bill in 1979 was double-action only with a bobbed hammer. Did he remove the single-action sear? I still have the paperwork where he recommended 2.7 grains of Bullseye behind a 148 grain HBWC. I stuck to that load religiously until we had to hand our guns back in 1997. The last time I used it was at a PPC competition in Belgium. They had a Ransom rest so I chucked it up and it put 6 rounds downrange (50 yards). They would all have been in the X-ring on a B-27 after almost 20 years and hundreds of competitions.

Now over here they shoot 1500 but with lever-action rifles and telescopic sights. I tried it once with my winchester and open sights but it definitely wasn't the same. That was the last time I shot the Match.

Best wishes,

Pete
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April 12th, 2018, 2:20 pm #16

Jack,

Thanks for the information on the passing of Jim Collins. It never ceases to amaze me how the bad guys seem to live so long and the good guys like Bill and Jim are taken from us far too soon. Bill came down to our Club in London when he was over here in '87 and it was before the ban on indoor smoking over here. He certainly did like cigars. He told us about some of the matches he'd been to but my abiding memory of him was his comment "If I see one more goddam castle, I'm gonna to throw up!".
Best wishes,
Pete Luton
Pete,
Sure sounds like Bill(LoL) At the Las Vegas matches would meet him in morning and ride on the transports to the range, he would relate some of his stories when he was on the Highway patrol in California. He should have written a book with some of his Antidotes. If nothing else he had one good head for business.
You know the old saying , life can be a bitch and then you die.
I can say this in all honesty, shooting all those years, never really met a competitor who was really an A-Hole from the top guy down, and willing to help someone out.What always comes to mind is the last scene in Saving Private Ryan(if you saw it)and he(Ryan) says "Tell me I have led a good life.Tell me I'm a good man". No one could ask for anything more than this.
Friendly competition and some good times. Another great exemplary individual is Phillip Hemphill. No question was ever too dumb for him to answer(and some are-LOL) when asked. Jimmy Collins same way. Birds of a feather flock together.
*When you get to a certain stage in life and all you have are memories, and they are good ones, helps you get by a little*.
Take care
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May 1st, 2018, 5:17 am #17

Jerry,

The gun I bought off Bill in 1979 was double-action only with a bobbed hammer. Did he remove the single-action sear? I still have the paperwork where he recommended 2.7 grains of Bullseye behind a 148 grain HBWC. I stuck to that load religiously until we had to hand our guns back in 1997. The last time I used it was at a PPC competition in Belgium. They had a Ransom rest so I chucked it up and it put 6 rounds downrange (50 yards). They would all have been in the X-ring on a B-27 after almost 20 years and hundreds of competitions.

Now over here they shoot 1500 but with lever-action rifles and telescopic sights. I tried it once with my winchester and open sights but it definitely wasn't the same. That was the last time I shot the Match.

Best wishes,

Pete
Pete typically the single action notch was not removed, only the hammer bobbed. JP
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