BE OR WIN POWDER

Joined: May 21st, 2017, 12:47 pm

May 21st, 2017, 6:30 pm #11

I AM ABOUT 25 YEARS OUT OF NATIONAL COMPETITION.I WAS 15 AT MISS. IN 79. I AM GETTING BACK ON A LOCAL LEVEL ONLY.THE STANDARD POWDER WAS 2.7 GR OF B E WITH 148 GR HBWC . WIN 321 STARTED TO BE USED A LITTLE IN 79. WHAT IS THE PROS AND CONS OF BOTH NOW? I HAVE BEEN USING 321 IN MY 45 AND IT SHOOTS GOOD. I DO NOTICE UNBURNT POWDER WHEN I AM SHOOTING THE 38. I DO NOT HAVE A RASUM REST ANY MORE TO CHECK GROOP SIZE. THE 38 IS MY MOST CONSERN. I AM SHOOTING A S&W 686. THANKS FOR ANY HELP.
Since I retired I have done a lot of reloading for both .38 and 9mm. I have done a lot of testing with a Ransom rest and offer this suggestion from what I have learned. About all you can get anymore that I have had success with is either 3D or Precision Delta 148 wadcutters. Start with 3.0 gr. of 231 go one/tenth of a grain at a time to a max of 3.3 gr. and see which shoots best in your gun. The barrel has a lot to do with which shoots best. Having built at least 20 PPC guns I can tell you that one gun may shoot 3.0 gr. of 231 the best, but another gun (even from the same barrel blank) will shoot 3.2 or 3.3 better. Be patient and give each load a fair chance. I shot a 239-18X match 3 this year using 3.0 gr. of 231 with Can-O-Lead wadcutters I had from years ago.
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Joined: December 29th, 2016, 8:08 am

May 22nd, 2017, 9:59 pm #12

Gary, unreal how barrels from the same barrel blanks shoot differently. Some guys I shoot with were discussing something similar the other day about this and how a member had this pistol that had the aristocrat front drill hole come completely through to the rifling. The fact there was a hole about 10mm from the end of the barrel had absolutely no effect on accuracy as the gun was sub x and was owned by a state shooter from SA. Is it possible that the crown condition and angle could influence this difference more so that the rifling ?
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Joined: November 13th, 2016, 7:50 pm

May 25th, 2017, 1:11 am #13

I have used WW231 powder, the standard PPC accuracy load being 3.1grains. Similarly, the Bullseye load is/was 2.7 or 2.8 grains.
Now that I am casting my own bullets, I employ the LEE 148grain tumble lube cast bullet, mold # TL358-148-WC. In my Douglas 5" barrel, I drop 2.5 grains of Bullseye powder for excellent results.
Out to 25 yards, even on the B34 target, cast bullets still rule. Plus swagged bullets are hard to find & horrendously expensive.
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Joined: December 21st, 2016, 3:52 am

May 25th, 2017, 5:27 pm #14

Switch over to the 100 gr SWC with 2-2.4 grs of WST and don't look back! You can purchase them now with the Hi-Tek bullet lube from www.xmetaltargets.com they call them the Mosquito bulllet! You will not be disappointed.
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Joined: September 14th, 2015, 12:29 pm

May 27th, 2017, 12:46 am #15

I tried to buy 1,000 of those and the shipping to Pennsylvania was $190. Just the shipping. $285. Total
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Joined: December 29th, 2016, 8:08 am

May 30th, 2017, 7:41 am #16

Switch over to the 100 gr SWC with 2-2.4 grs of WST and don't look back! You can purchase them now with the Hi-Tek bullet lube from www.xmetaltargets.com they call them the Mosquito bulllet! You will not be disappointed.
Roly
Only just notice the #1 Ranking well done mate just tipping out Dean and his boy.
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Joined: December 21st, 2016, 3:52 am

May 30th, 2017, 8:35 pm #17

Hey Thanks Andrew. It must just be a coincidence we are all shooting those 100 SWC lol.
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Joined: August 13th, 2015, 2:22 pm

July 6th, 2017, 5:03 pm #18

I've always used either Zero or Speer 148 HBWC with 2.7 of Bullseye out of my Davis model 67. Don't have any plans of changing...BUT...I have a 6" 686 that has been real particular. All this talk of 100gr SWC has me interested...
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Joined: August 13th, 2015, 2:22 pm

July 6th, 2017, 5:04 pm #19

CanadaPPC,
What loads are you using with WST and N310?
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Joined: December 29th, 2016, 8:08 am

July 6th, 2017, 9:04 pm #20

I've always used either Zero or Speer 148 HBWC with 2.7 of Bullseye out of my Davis model 67. Don't have any plans of changing...BUT...I have a 6" 686 that has been real particular. All this talk of 100gr SWC has me interested...
Lane579
The higher twist rate on the 686 being a little over 1:18 leans toward a lighter projectile being suited, I use 2.7gr Trail Boss with a 100gr SWC pushed down 3.3mm from the top for a match we shoot over here in WA that allows you to rest the gun on the ground or off a pole at 50 metres. This load will hold about a 2" group with metallic sights, not to bad for a stock revolver.
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