Exclusive: peerliss speaks out on Maplestory

peerliss
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Joined: March 24th, 2007, 8:34 pm

July 26th, 2008, 10:56 pm #1

The link to this page is maple.peerliss.org or click on Maplestory in the top menu.

(Summary: Founder and former leader of a successful Maplestory guild (the first 100-man guild in Bera) reveals his thoughts on the game.)

I should really be studying now (very behind with exams and badly need to cram), but I really needed to get this off my chest.

A game is meant to be fun. Maplestory is not meant to be a game. Instead, Maplestory is a chaotic MMO (Massively-Multiplayer Online) chatroom that has an addicting (not fun) grindfest.

Private servers have turned this grindfest from a expensive 5-year grind into a free 1-day lvling-spree to hit level 200. Players who play Maple for gaming can easily get their fulfillment in one day, and move on to real games.

However, people who play Maple for socializing will keep playing Maple. The effect of private servers on Maple will be that the gamers will quit and the socializers will stay.

But why is Maplestory's grindfest not fun? (note that I have played many games, good and bad, MMO and not)
  • Note 1: This list is to show that Maplestory's gaming aspect is not fun (but it may be addicting)
  • Note 2: This list does not say anything about Maplestory's socializing aspect (which is often both fun and addicting :) )
  • Note 3: This is not meant to be an exhaustive (or even extensive) list. If I were to make an exhaustive list, it would almost never be finished.
  • Here goes the first one: I should never have to log in twice to Maplestory just to log in.
  • Map-traveling is a must in a game like this. Just double-click to go to the town you want instead of having to buy NX. Don't charge for something as basic as this.
  • Guild events (or events in general) are too hard to organize. People need to be a certain place at a certain time to enter. You can only pap twice in 24 hours, zak twice in 24 hours, do 1 apq every 6 hours? Dumbest ideas ever. Only 1 PQ per channel? Make those things instanced (if you don't know what this term means but you view yourself as a gamer, play a real game and you'll find out). Four hours of "missing" Ludi PQ from clicking is retarded. Even if I get in as party leader, I feel like a clown clicking like mad to get my party in.
  • If leveling up is already not fun, at least make some fun things for high levels to do. No, nothing fun for a level 200 to do either, but quit. Going everywhere in a Red Draco making people F5 gets old after 5 minutes. Why bother?
  • Speaking of levels, what is up with the level limits for PQ's? Dumbest idea ever. So I've been 13x for 9 months now and since then they've released a handful of PQ's... all for a low level range. What's the point?
  • Don't even get me started on boss fights. I feel like a tool spamming 3 buttons (pot, party buff, and attack skill) for 30 minutes straight soloing Crow, much less the 2 hours needed on something like Horntail. Boss fights in Maple are not fun.
  • When suggesting maplers to play better games, frequently a response you get is "I don't wanna start all over again." This tells you how NOT fun it was for them reach their level in Maple. Of course, frequently these are the same players who in their lifetime have only played one game: Maple.
  • No skill involved whatsoever in this game. Please, button mashing does not involve skill. The only part that may involve skill is planning where and how to train to level up the fastest, but even that's hardly planning.
  • To make matters even worse, how is using the same skill to level up from 70-200 fun? And no, classes other than DK's do not have it much better.
  • CC'ing or changing a weapon or dropping an item is frustrating. You have to find a "safe spot" for a few seconds before you can do any of those things. But this was added into Maplestory to make it harder for hackers to hack. Tip to clueless Maplestory programmers: Deal with hackers the right way, NOT by making the game more frustrating for legit players!
  • The horrendous Nexon. If Nexon doesn't do anything about hackers, ksers, or scammers, then Nexon shouldn't pretend it cares by forbidding those types of things. Worst thing is, Nexon cares equally little about its paying customers.
Verdict 1: Maplestory is an MMO chatroom that has an addicting (not fun) grindfest.
Verdict 2: Mapling =/= Gaming. Mapling = Socializing or Grinding. A better name for Maplestory would be "ChatOrGrind."
Verdict 3: Players who play other games will also be happier when they are on Maple.

I know my tone may sound frustrated at times (which is why I called the Maplestory chatroom "chaotic") but that's only because I'm passionate about Peerless and, as a result, disappointed at Nexon/Wizet for ruining the potential of what could have been an awesome game that is fun to socialize in and fun to play in. As long as Nexon/Wizet stay incompetent and indifferent, Peerless will never achieve its true potential of providing a fully rewarding and fulfilling gaming experience. This means that much of my efforts on Peerless are wasted.

The bright side is, you guys (Peerless members and friends) all make up for it :) Which is why even though I have nice guilds in over half a dozen games, I spend most of my time on Peerless <3

Finally, I don't spend my time writing in order to offend anyone (at least I don't intend to). My goal in writing is to give players (whom I care about) more information with which they can decide for themselves that Maplestory's grindfest is not fun, but merely an addiction. Once again, this is not saying anything about the socializing aspect of Maplestory. Whether the socializing aspect or community in Maplestory is genuinely fun or horribly immature is the subject of another article which probably won't be written by me.

Thoughts? Also, before you respond, please also state which MMO/regular games you have enjoyed or played.

Yours truly,

peerliss
13x Dark Knight and Founder of Peerless Guild - GMS Bera
Formerly played and enjoyed: Guild Wars (lvl 20 De/Mo), Lunia (lvl 55 Sieg), Atlantica Online (5x Axe Main), Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Unreal Tournament 2004, Quake III Arena, Starcraft, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, Street Fighter III, Super Metroid, Final Fantasy 1 through 9 (except 2 and 3), Super Mario 64, Zelda series, tons of Super Nintento classics, and countless other games I won't list here :3
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Retired from Maple in October 2007 as a 13x DK.
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kaypurr
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July 27th, 2008, 1:07 am #2

whoa Peerliss.
You are loved, you know that right. Hahaha
I agree with most everything you said. sometimes Maple stresses me out. Even when I seem to hurt people feelings causeI may be busy to talk. Doesnt mean I dislike you.. I like being in this guild. You are a caring good leader to care so much to write this.
well talk to you on the world of maple.
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valcherion
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July 27th, 2008, 1:18 am #3

well i read the first paragraph and i agree 100%
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Shendi
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July 27th, 2008, 2:50 am #4

Okay...
I'll start off with...
I play a game call "Soldier Front" too.
It's not like "Maple Story"... all you do is running around, killing waste.
it's a FPS.... FPS [First Person Shooting], so make some fun out of it... i guess...
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Okay now for what you just said Peer..
I'm 100% agree with you..
Yes, "Maple Story" is a waste of time...
It'll make you want to play...and it can be addiction to some.
Yes...Nexons/Wizets rules is terrible, but I think they did that because
they want you to play more....
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Finally... My only thing of playing "Maple Story" and other games.. is because
I have to much free time and I want to complete my goals... If I was in high school..
I would have quit already and won't be writing this... I'm going to hit High school after
summer, so I guess it would be the end of my GAMING LIFE. :P
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July 27th, 2008, 4:43 am #5

i Couldnt agree anymore Peer, i read the whole thing and i Fully Agree with every asspect of this artical,

one of the facts you stated ''Start a new game but people said they dont wanna start over'' is really true, MapleStory is a GAME , ethier way u Enjoy it, the way i seen my blist react when a scroll fails or they die or d/c from a serious boss run, they pull the frustration on buddy chat, seein how can a game make somone so angrey??

And another thing. Im sorry if i offend anyone But i think The people who play maple now Really Treat this game Like high school, more then a game

With there pathetic Bullshit Drama, and realtionship problems ( Im not agnist Realtionships on maple) Just People are forgetting this is a game

Im sure if u look up the defintion Video game on the urban dictonary it will Explain to you..

And another thing, Nexon never really Did Give love about its gamers, or costmers . all they want is Money , If you think im one of the other people who complain about nexon Hear me out

1. How Long has it Been since the Wedding Glitch has been out ( if you dont know what this is, its when a couple divroces and one of the couples want to remarry sumone eles they have a 50/50 chance of getting gliched and not able to get married * ive known alot of frineds that has gotten this*)

This glitch has been around for about a good 16 Months now. and nexon Hasnt even cared to look in it

2. Nexon still hasnt fixed the Guild glitch or notice (its been about a month now)

3. is it me or does nexon place Nx items more then patchs or fixs of glitch each server check

4. Nexon Has failed to look into hacker reports Scam reports or Ks reports ( u ask the diffrence? there is no diffrence all those 3 frustrate ur game play THEY ARE NO DIFFRENT )

5. Nexon Put a Curse filter to Stop Profanity But they never pay atteinon to the perverted Super megaphones made daily

6. Nexon Doesnt even read the logged tickets

My Conclusion about nexon is THERE GREEDY loving PIGS...

Im sorry about the language Peer, It just frustrates me so much that Nexon gets payed so much, But doesnt give anything back to us.


Playing Maplestory Since beta BEFORE BERA was out, this game wus enjoying. Really not anymore, Everyone is about Grinding keep there Reputation, and gettin Cred on a game.....

What happen to the fun , Has there ever been a time like the old days were just a bunch of random buddies would party up and go kill random monsters , for the fun of it Just like the old days how bunch of noobs would party up see how far they can go in the dungeon of Sleepywood. what happen to that fun?

This game has changed all about NX, you cant enjoy the game without NX, This game really is not free..

The avg Nx Costumer perchases about 50-100 Dollers OF nx Monthly, Those same people Rant About WoW Being monthly.. WoW is only 15-25 dollers a month to play... You do the math folks....

Sorry for making the reply so long Just had alot on my mind , exactly like peer


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Fateful
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July 27th, 2008, 5:28 am #6

Wow, peerliss. Our complaints are mutual.

Note: It's pretty late and instead of trying to organize my thoughts, I just want to type them out freely. I apologize in advance if it's a bit hard to follow...

Allow me to first give a quick sketch of my gaming background and experience. MapleStory is the only game I play right now and is the only game I have ever played, period. I own no video game console, and thus I have not played any video games for that matter either.

One of my biggest pet peeves about MapleStory private servers is not the fact that they exist, but that Maplers are abandoning their characters on the real game to play a private server instead. I can understand how obviously painful and arduous it is to grind for hours just to get 20%. Go play a PS to get the 999999999x EXP rate, and you'll spare yourself the agony. I can see how you cry a little inside every time you spend another $25 on pixels. Go play a PS and you can get all the NX goodies for free. But really, is that why you play MapleStory? Is it really all about leveling? As peerliss stated, if your goal was to get 200 as quickly and easily as possible, you may as well just hop onto a PS.

About leveling... I'm not sure what my goal level is, and frankly I don't plan on setting one. Long ago, no one knew what the maximum level was, but now that 8 have attained it in Bera alone, we are all aware of the reality of MapleStory. The game has an end. What happens when you reach 200? Nothing. You can't earn any more EXP, and the best thing that you can do is maybe smega-congratulate your 19x friends when they too reach 200. I'm a pretty fast leveler nowadays due to 2x cards, but if I don't have a friend to train with or talk to during those 4 hours, I have no will to stay logged on.

MapleStory thrives because its players are all interconnected. Parties and Party Quests exist for multiple players to train together. Buddylists and Chat/Whisper exist to encourage communication and friendships. And of course, Guilds exist to unify players under one roof. It is virtually (no pun intended) impossible to be completely "solo" in a game like MapleStory. On the most basic level, you cannot play without seeing another player (hence, MMORPG). With all of these functions MapleStory has already set up, it is natural that playing the game means more than poking monsters with a sword 100 pixels long. The game, as peerliss explained, has emerged as a social community, where training/leveling is just an add-in feature. Those who keep playing are the ones who can acknowledge that.

I've been on Maple for 4 years now (albeit summers), and I'm still not "bored" and ready to shut myself in the realm of a PS. It's surprising, too, that it's still the only game I play...

- Diana

P.S. Another complaint I have about Maple is how it can really bring out the worst in people. An ex-guildie of mine told his father to STFU because he was trying to train during a 2x EXP event. Another, a priest, was at Jr. Newties and left a heavy object on his spacebar to spam HS. He went away to take a nap, and when he woke up, he discovered to his horror that his mother had removed the object from the keyboard. He screamed at her, extremely "pissed" that her action cost him a valuable 20%.
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July 27th, 2008, 8:26 am #7

Nexon is banking on us like crazy.

BUT, on the other hand its a virtual game which has people behind the characters that are playing them.

you meet the nice people in the game and who knows nice in real life to, and you meet the "bullies" of the game which happens to be the the soft people of the real world that act "hard" in the game....

i stick to the game because of the nice people that i love to chat with :) cough (peerless) lol. and i've built a great bond with the people and guild of the game that its hard to let go of and i think it speak for everyone in this guild and the game.

so logging on is mandatory lol.
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Spikerman1
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Joined: October 10th, 2007, 3:41 pm

July 27th, 2008, 9:51 am #8

The fact that us DrK's use the same old skill from lvl 70 - 200 is mad... I've always wondered why there's no PQ's for high levlers... Do you think E-Mailing to Nexon would help? Like they give a damn?

Some things I agree to, but a few I don't.
Private servers ruined the whole thing about Maple Story, while someone spends years to achive their goal, somebody else playing a private server does it in one day...

I don't just play Maple Story. I play Warcraft 3, Call Of Duty 2 & 4, flyff, kartrider =]

PS. You'd make a great game programmer Peer :P

PSS. We love you =] Thanks for creating Peerless, it makes MapleStory 10x fun to play =]
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KousetsuTaz
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Joined: July 21st, 2008, 8:05 pm

July 27th, 2008, 10:00 am #9

Hmmm, to tell you the truth, I have a bit different view at PS. I think, the only good thing in private servers are GMs. There are GM events everyday, and I think its fun. Isnt it strange, that I played MS for 2 years, Im 100 lvl and I didnt ever see a REAL gm? Nexon should split their group so half would work on new items and maps, and half will make events. And you cant tell players who want to be 200 at global to go and play PS. If I would be 200 lvl in 2 hours, I wouldnt be happy with it couse it is nothing hard and 9999999 other people did it too. People who lvl to 200 with 1x sure can be proud of it, couse they really did something. And I agree to all of you, that nexon really cares about money only. Heh, heres how will new patches look in future:

Hello Maplers!
New things added!
Cash shop items:
- Unban yourself, and be back on rank!
- You dont need lvl limit, now you can lvl up to 999!
- Now you can become a GM!
- New skills! You can kill up to 10 maps with only one click!
- and much new cool CS things
Happy Mapling!


Greetings, Taz ;]
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Shendi
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July 27th, 2008, 12:29 pm #10

We should mail this to nexon -or- put this on basil,
so others can see it too [Any other site that talk about maple story]. :P
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