PAM 111 real or fake

https://www.facebook.com/groups/paneristi/
Forum rules
Welcome to Paneristi.com, the worlds largest and oldest Panerai enthusiast website, since 2000. Here you can communicate with other Paneristi from around the world, learn about get-togethers, research the history of the brand and search the archives for information on your favorite watches. You can also use our fora to buy and sell your Panerai watches and accessories.

Please take a moment to review the site rules and have fun!
Treat others as you would like to be treated. We promote dignity, respect and sensitivity to others as a keystone of this Forum.
Posts on Paneristi.com are permanent. Users do not have the ability to delete or edit their posts, so please use caution and consider the ramifications of your message when posting.
Paneristi.com does not tolerate obscenity, trolling, hateful or racist commentary or personal attacks.
Anonymous posts are subject to deletion without notice. Please use your Network 54 login when posting and leave a legitimate email address.
Paneristi.com provides fora for the selling and buying of Panerai watches and accessories only. Moderators do not engage in these transactions, and all posters are encouraged to perform their own due diligence when entering into a transaction (buying tips). Paneristi.com does not endorse or promote any sellers on this site. All transactions are solely at your own risk.
Paneristi.com is a non-commercial venture for its owners and moderators. Please do not use the site for promotion of any commercial enterprises.
Links to outside sites are permitted, provided the destination link comports with the non-commercial purpose of Paneristi.com. Examples of links that are not allowed: links to auction sites, sales fora, watch/strap sellers and other commercial sites.
Charity posts may only be made with prior approval of the Moderators.
If you have a question, please email a Moderator.

PAM 111 real or fake

bulldog90
New User
bulldog90
New User
Joined: August 29th, 2012, 2:22 am

August 29th, 2012, 2:28 am #1

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number
Quote
Like
Share

zameenzahari
Paneristi
Joined: March 24th, 2010, 3:49 am

August 29th, 2012, 3:53 am #2





Quote
Like
Share

bulldog90
New User
bulldog90
New User
Joined: August 29th, 2012, 2:22 am

August 29th, 2012, 12:34 pm #3

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number
Here are the only pictures I have


Quote
Like
Share

bulldog90
New User
bulldog90
New User
Joined: August 29th, 2012, 2:22 am

August 29th, 2012, 12:35 pm #4

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number



Quote
Like
Share

CharlesLC
Paneristi
Joined: October 18th, 2009, 2:45 pm

August 29th, 2012, 1:21 pm #5

I hope you have checked references ...

Here is an excellent resource:
http://www.paneristi.com/Buying_Tips.html

Best to do your due diligence before sending the $ -
Quote
Like
Share

LUCCHAO
Paneristi
LUCCHAO
Paneristi
Joined: February 19th, 2011, 5:57 pm

August 29th, 2012, 1:28 pm #6

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number
if it's M series, how could use doc's form older, G or older, series? Even box is G or older

second, why cover the watch with silicone protective? you can't see a thing

third, the plate on box and the lettering on warranty card seems fake

fourth, the incablock seems litttle off, as well beveling and gears and engravings are too big

well, need more?...

if it's real one, which is unlikely, it was a really bad idea to put a lot of fake things together to appear "complete"

best
Quote
Like
Share

bulldog90
New User
bulldog90
New User
Joined: August 29th, 2012, 2:22 am

August 29th, 2012, 1:51 pm #7

I hope you have checked references ...

Here is an excellent resource:
http://www.paneristi.com/Buying_Tips.html

Best to do your due diligence before sending the $ -
Thanks for the quick responses - I have not purchased yet. I was going to meet at an AD here today but based on your responses I will pass paying the money to get it checked out.
Quote
Like
Share

zameenzahari
Paneristi
Joined: March 24th, 2010, 3:49 am

August 29th, 2012, 2:00 pm #8




In the card are way off. Box is a fake too . Booklet is definitely not M series. As for the watch itself, it's a fake. 111M have sandwich dial not painted like in the picture.



Quote
Like
Share

J_Dubbs
Paneristi
J_Dubbs
Paneristi
Joined: November 12th, 2009, 12:39 pm

August 29th, 2012, 6:30 pm #9

looks like a sandwich dial to me...


Whether or not it's authentic I can't really say but I always buy through ADs.

Quote
Like
Share

zameenzahari
Paneristi
Joined: March 24th, 2010, 3:49 am

August 29th, 2012, 10:24 pm #10

But as a set, it definitely is suspect..



Quote
Like
Share

zameenzahari
Paneristi
Joined: March 24th, 2010, 3:49 am

August 29th, 2012, 10:26 pm #11

Looks like the seller is showing 2 different pics....



Quote
Like
Share

southernpam1
Paneristi
Joined: February 7th, 2005, 6:07 pm

August 30th, 2012, 1:29 am #12

Here are the only pictures I have


Other than what sbeen reported already, the movement is fake. The winding gears beveling is too fat and not polished. the caseback engravings are not deep and dark in color as per a genuine 111. I dont understand why anyone would buy a $5k watch with the bezel condom still on it anyways and not see the actual crown guard and crown. The AR on the crystal appears to be double inside and outside with a green tinit which is a serious tell for being fake. A genuine has it only on the inside and its not green its clear with a slight aqua blue hue at certain angles.

Run on this one. Papers fake, box fake, watch fake. Done and done
Quote
Like
Share

Negatronkev
New User
Negatronkev
New User
Joined: October 23rd, 2011, 11:39 am

August 30th, 2012, 1:58 am #13

if it's M series, how could use doc's form older, G or older, series? Even box is G or older

second, why cover the watch with silicone protective? you can't see a thing

third, the plate on box and the lettering on warranty card seems fake

fourth, the incablock seems litttle off, as well beveling and gears and engravings are too big

well, need more?...

if it's real one, which is unlikely, it was a really bad idea to put a lot of fake things together to appear "complete"

best
movement is off, Its a rep to me and I wouldn't touch it.

Quote
Like
Share

illusionzero
Paneristi
Joined: September 18th, 2009, 3:50 am

August 30th, 2012, 9:50 am #14

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number
Watch is FAKE

Quote
Like
Share

bentley54
Paneristi
bentley54
Paneristi
Joined: February 20th, 2008, 10:56 pm

August 30th, 2012, 6:16 pm #15

I am looking at a PAM 111 box and papers, before I go to expense of authorizing I noticed the papers did not have serial number or model. Has anyone seen that before? I had a 212j and I recall they were filled in. Other than that watch and box look good.

Any thoughts are appreciated. It is an M series number
Front looks sandwich (not sure why multiple people are saying it does not)
The front in general looks good to me.
However this is definitely a fake ; the backside is showing many tells.

Almost seems like pictures of different watches becuase the front looks accurate.
Either way, run away from this deal ; it stinks.
Quote
Like
Share

captpablo01
Paneristi
captpablo01
Paneristi
Joined: June 26th, 2007, 2:49 pm

August 31st, 2012, 12:33 am #16

what does this mean?
Quote
Like
Share