PAM 022A, should the cg up or down, please help!!

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PAM 022A, should the cg up or down, please help!!

rwai
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February 24th, 2012, 5:56 pm #1

Found a 22A from a reputable auction house (Antiquorxx). I posted from another post below to ask for opinion of getting it until Hong pointed out that the cg is wrong on the picture. I see cg both way before and thought may be certain series is up and some are down. After Hong pointed that out, I started to search the web and found from A series with both up and down cg. For the expert out there, please clarify if there is any problem with this watch. I am very confuse now.

This is the picture posted from the auction. It is A054/200, case No. BB 971964. Showing cg DOWN.



I found this from the dealer market showing cg UP. Photo credit to RickT.



This one showing cg DOWN. Photo credit "watchuwant.com"


Another one showing cg UP. Photo credit "watches24seven.com"



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panerai4life
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February 24th, 2012, 6:03 pm #2

I have never seen a down CG before so I'm with HongT here but from all your pix, sure wanna find that out too!

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February 24th, 2012, 6:53 pm #3

Found a 22A from a reputable auction house (Antiquorxx). I posted from another post below to ask for opinion of getting it until Hong pointed out that the cg is wrong on the picture. I see cg both way before and thought may be certain series is up and some are down. After Hong pointed that out, I started to search the web and found from A series with both up and down cg. For the expert out there, please clarify if there is any problem with this watch. I am very confuse now.

This is the picture posted from the auction. It is A054/200, case No. BB 971964. Showing cg DOWN.



I found this from the dealer market showing cg UP. Photo credit to RickT.



This one showing cg DOWN. Photo credit "watchuwant.com"


Another one showing cg UP. Photo credit "watches24seven.com"



because pin looks smaller and recessed - therefore it seems it's the back of crown guard

ask for pic's of back of watch, showing CG in details

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February 24th, 2012, 7:16 pm #4

Found a 22A from a reputable auction house (Antiquorxx). I posted from another post below to ask for opinion of getting it until Hong pointed out that the cg is wrong on the picture. I see cg both way before and thought may be certain series is up and some are down. After Hong pointed that out, I started to search the web and found from A series with both up and down cg. For the expert out there, please clarify if there is any problem with this watch. I am very confuse now.

This is the picture posted from the auction. It is A054/200, case No. BB 971964. Showing cg DOWN.



I found this from the dealer market showing cg UP. Photo credit to RickT.



This one showing cg DOWN. Photo credit "watchuwant.com"


Another one showing cg UP. Photo credit "watches24seven.com"



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February 24th, 2012, 9:35 pm #5

Found a 22A from a reputable auction house (Antiquorxx). I posted from another post below to ask for opinion of getting it until Hong pointed out that the cg is wrong on the picture. I see cg both way before and thought may be certain series is up and some are down. After Hong pointed that out, I started to search the web and found from A series with both up and down cg. For the expert out there, please clarify if there is any problem with this watch. I am very confuse now.

This is the picture posted from the auction. It is A054/200, case No. BB 971964. Showing cg DOWN.



I found this from the dealer market showing cg UP. Photo credit to RickT.



This one showing cg DOWN. Photo credit "watchuwant.com"


Another one showing cg UP. Photo credit "watches24seven.com"



Lever should be pointing up. Pin should be bigger on the topside.

If the pin is bigger when the lever is pointing down then the crown guard was replaced at some point with a non-destro one.

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February 24th, 2012, 9:50 pm #6

because pin looks smaller and recessed - therefore it seems it's the back of crown guard

ask for pic's of back of watch, showing CG in details

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those Crown Guards have a different shape compared to H series onward ones -- you can see on my next pic from mine 1B that the upper part of Crown Guard is thinner than lower part



looking to your pic, it's clear that the wider part of CG is assembled upward -- so , it's a certainty it was assembled upside down.

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February 24th, 2012, 9:51 pm #7

Found a 22A from a reputable auction house (Antiquorxx). I posted from another post below to ask for opinion of getting it until Hong pointed out that the cg is wrong on the picture. I see cg both way before and thought may be certain series is up and some are down. After Hong pointed that out, I started to search the web and found from A series with both up and down cg. For the expert out there, please clarify if there is any problem with this watch. I am very confuse now.

This is the picture posted from the auction. It is A054/200, case No. BB 971964. Showing cg DOWN.



I found this from the dealer market showing cg UP. Photo credit to RickT.



This one showing cg DOWN. Photo credit "watchuwant.com"


Another one showing cg UP. Photo credit "watches24seven.com"



Based on what you guys see, I believe the cg was installed incorrectly during service.

Thank you all for your help. Hope I can get this watch.

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February 24th, 2012, 10:08 pm #8


Someone like Volker would have a much better answer than me, but it's my understanding that the upside down crown guards seen on some vintage pieces were done either at the request of the individual soldier using the watch so they could wear it on the other hand, or re-installed that way on accident (?I think?) on a couple of watches when they were serviced.

But basically it's my understanding that the upside down crown guard was never OEM, it was done after the watches were produced.

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February 24th, 2012, 10:21 pm #9



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