Millesimation, transitional, Shadow, Ghost, OOR ... what means ..

Millesimation, transitional, Shadow, Ghost, OOR ... what means ..

pampamkuku
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Joined: June 2nd, 2006, 1:56 pm

May 1st, 2009, 10:05 pm #1

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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May 1st, 2009, 10:50 pm #2

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VolkerWiegmann
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May 2nd, 2009, 4:33 am #3

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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Joined: March 3rd, 2006, 5:46 am

May 2nd, 2009, 10:29 am #4

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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great info J-F!
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EdouardG
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Joined: April 27th, 2005, 11:29 pm

May 2nd, 2009, 11:12 am #5

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



thanks for reading

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Joined: December 11th, 2008, 4:02 pm

May 2nd, 2009, 11:13 am #6

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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for anyone new to Panerai. When reading this I didn't look at who posted but still knew it was J-F. Again, nice job.
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May 2nd, 2009, 12:51 pm #7

This is very useful stuff.
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Joined: December 27th, 2004, 12:44 pm

May 3rd, 2009, 2:38 am #8

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



thanks for reading

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BillS100
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May 3rd, 2009, 1:58 pm #9

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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Thank you.

These clear explanations are very helpful.

Much appreciated.

Bill

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May 3rd, 2009, 8:20 pm #10

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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I'm really liking this new section on paneristi!
Thanks J-F,
Martin

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August 6th, 2009, 2:46 pm #11

MILLESIMATION :

It is the engraving on the back of your watch ( with the letter before some numbers ) which simbolizes the year of production and the produced quantity.

- The numbers do not bring out in the order as 1-2-3 .... a model with the #350 can have been made before the #30.

- The indicated produced quantity; ex : B 222/500 does not mean that 500 models were made, the last number ( B 222/500 ) can have been shared between various models, in example Pam 22 and pam 26 or Pam 23 and Pam 29 ... The same indicated quantity is only the planned quantity, nothing indicate that it was really produced.

- The letter placed before the numbers; ex E1922/1950, indicate the year of production or planning of the watch ( A = 1998, B = 1999, C = 2000 etc ... ). It is evident that for certain models as the Pam 127, they were not all made in the only year indicated by this letter, 2002 for the 127E.



TRANSITIONAL :

It is watches which have an engraving of one year but have clearly the attributes and the materials used previous year ... The models the easiest to track down are the watches of the B serie with the tritium dial.



SHADOW :

It is watches with only two engraving on the three usual, OP an BB ( or PB ) are there but miss the millesimation with the letter. Before years 2006/2007 it was possible to find them with their box and all their papers .... it's almost impossible since.

It is watches which are of use to displays, exhibitions and professional shows ... although not that they be never found on the market some were accidentally ... any model can be in shadow version, you will see lower that they also have a second life.



GHOST :

It is watches which have all the usual engraving : OP, BB ( or PB ) and the millesimation with the letter. Simply they do not appear in the catalogs or price-lists. Examples of ghosts : Pam 55D, Pam 237G, Pam 285K ...



OOR :

Out Of Range, these watches are at the start one shadow which served in shows and displays ... the factory reuses these watches by adding them a caseback with a special engraving : the letter of the millesimation is replaced by OOR. There is no OOR who is a specific watch : they were all made from already existing models, neverthless some have some differences regard to the benchmark model; ex : Pam 02 and 61 OOR has the movement which was then put in the Pam 112 and the 118 in the E serie ( The new OP XI instead the OP II ), the pam 194 OOR has an improved bezel ...



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i have a question about OOR, coz i actually want to buy a pam244 GMT and i order around 2months. but the store give me luminor GMT oor 40mm. so i want to know about it more..is it a good deal or not??

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