investment grade panerai options?

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investment grade panerai options?

DrewMElliott
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February 10th, 2012, 3:45 pm #1

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
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mike2zero
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February 10th, 2012, 3:49 pm #2



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February 10th, 2012, 3:53 pm #3

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
Buy a Panerai to wear and enjoy.

Investments? Leave those to the market.

Cheers...

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February 10th, 2012, 3:57 pm #4

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
Otherwise he's liable to do very poorly indeed.

"Investment grade" and "Panerai" should never be in the same sentence IMO... unless it's something like "My investment grade properties returned great rental income this year and allowed me to buy a Panerai I'm really enjoying..."

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February 10th, 2012, 4:08 pm #5

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
I mean that is like asking, which stock is going to go up in value? I'd love to know that!


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February 10th, 2012, 4:09 pm #6

Otherwise he's liable to do very poorly indeed.

"Investment grade" and "Panerai" should never be in the same sentence IMO... unless it's something like "My investment grade properties returned great rental income this year and allowed me to buy a Panerai I'm really enjoying..."

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Your friend could invest in a time machine, so he can go forward in time and see what watches are going to be hot items (for real, not just bubble) and then come back to today and buy some of them.

Or he could just go back in time and buy a 21, a 203 and a 201/a

Joking aside, the truth is that watches make even worse investments than most commodities and really shouldn't be purchased as such. The best investment your friend can make is exactly what Meric said... invest in happiness. Tell him to buy a Panerai he LOVES and will wear and enjoy. The return on those dollars is far better anyways than striking it lucky by getting the one model that will triple in value in 20 years.. which BTW is still only a pretty modest return on investment overall.

Besides which, if he has to ask which watches are going to become more valuable he's already out of the running for getting any of those models anyway

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February 10th, 2012, 4:09 pm #7

Otherwise he's liable to do very poorly indeed.

"Investment grade" and "Panerai" should never be in the same sentence IMO... unless it's something like "My investment grade properties returned great rental income this year and allowed me to buy a Panerai I'm really enjoying..."

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Ya, he's actually extremely successful in investments but thanks for your suggestion. Surprised about PAMs as Rolex Daytonas, 16800s, 1680 red dials have been incredible investments for me!
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February 10th, 2012, 4:16 pm #8

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
-luke

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February 10th, 2012, 4:23 pm #9

Ya, he's actually extremely successful in investments but thanks for your suggestion. Surprised about PAMs as Rolex Daytonas, 16800s, 1680 red dials have been incredible investments for me!
that most of the people around here are enthusiasts, not "investors". We're all aware and happy that some or even many of the watches we buy retain their value, and if we're lucky even go up in value sometimes. Who wouldn't be happy about that?

But don't think that's the reason most of us are buying Panerais. It's certainly not why I buy them.

So while it's understandable that people consider these watches to be "investments" this forum isn't really a great place to mine data for financial maneuvers. If you want to learn about the brand, join in the passion, meet great people etc. this is the place to be for sure!

But if you're looking for something to add to you "portfolio" you're probably going to catch a lot of flak. For many of us, seeing our beloved PAM's discussed as mere commodities to help someone pad their wallet is discouraging and a little saddening frankly. At least it is for me. I'd rather see a watch that's a great "investment" go to someone who simply loves the watch and will wear it than to someone who's going to put it in a safe and never look at it again until it's time to flip it for a tidy profit

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February 10th, 2012, 4:34 pm #10

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
Which I believe what you are slightly referring too...

With watches, no one has a crystal ball to tell you what will be hot 10 to 20 years from now, hell who knows we might have cell phones strapped to our wrists by then and scrap these tuna cans.

Some examples of once great "investments" that fell flat on their face, Rolex Milgauss GV is one that really comes to mind and the 292J. Both commanded HUGE premiums, upwards of 3x list however now they are only at or close to list. Point being, you can never tell what the market will do and what peoples tastes are in this funny luxury market.

Yes its true, that if you bought a Panerai in the 90s, chances are your watch went up 15 to 30 times what you paid for it, same goes with Rolex's from the 40s-60s. NO ONE could have predicted this.

If you want to look for more collectable pieces that might be more rare than others, that is up to you and your preference and what you enjoy.

Personally for me, I believe that the Vintage pieces are a strange and interesting group as so many of them have been assembled from old parts and its almost impossible to tell what is a fake and replica anymore (Id personally stay away unless you bought it from the original owner OR from ULTRA reliable sources which are becoming increasing scarce now a days... wouldnt you want to assemble a watch from pieces and sell it for 150k?) Pre-V, Pre-A and A series is where I think the best pieces are in the Panerai time frame to own and collect. Opinion of course. Not only is the lineage more traceable but its where Panerai truly became the Panerai we know today, a Luxury watch company founded on military roots.

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February 10th, 2012, 4:35 pm #11

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
in the Sales Corner and other sites where watches are for sale and compare them with the actual prices or last retail prices and you'll find out very quickly which pieces are worth to call 'investment',... the problem is that most people are always 'to late' or expect others will tell them their secret on which ref.nr to gamble ... so forget about it or learn it the hard way ... win some loose some. If it was that easy we would all be millionairs won't we ???

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February 10th, 2012, 4:42 pm #12

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
 

I dare say the passion wouldn't be as enthusiastic if the product sunk like a stone thrown in the river. The base of the enthusiasm is the general stunning appeal of the product with an intriguing historical background. In short, the product is spectacular, we enjoy the brand as no other, and collectively many friendships and a sense of community has spawned from it. Try that with any other brand!

Panerai is something many of us cannot live without, I know my life would have a lot less fulfilling these past 11 years. As for their investment value, the fact that they've maintained their value or gone up is a secondary bonus, but not sole reason we cosset them. Thats way down the list for many of us.

I'm here for the party baby!


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February 10th, 2012, 5:00 pm #13



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February 10th, 2012, 5:09 pm #14

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
just my 2 cents

"Time flies when you are ALIVE"
Greetings from the Land of Smiles...
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February 10th, 2012, 5:14 pm #15

 

I dare say the passion wouldn't be as enthusiastic if the product sunk like a stone thrown in the river. The base of the enthusiasm is the general stunning appeal of the product with an intriguing historical background. In short, the product is spectacular, we enjoy the brand as no other, and collectively many friendships and a sense of community has spawned from it. Try that with any other brand!

Panerai is something many of us cannot live without, I know my life would have a lot less fulfilling these past 11 years. As for their investment value, the fact that they've maintained their value or gone up is a secondary bonus, but not sole reason we cosset them. Thats way down the list for many of us.

I'm here for the party baby!


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......."the product DOES sink like a stone thrown in the river"...........

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February 10th, 2012, 5:51 pm #16

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
but I guess you won't be interested in that because you are looking to invest your money in Panerai ...

Good luck with your invest. In the mean while, I buy what I wear and enjoy
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February 10th, 2012, 6:32 pm #17

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
then I say go for the watch that makes him smile. In this case money can buy happiness.
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jacmerlin
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February 11th, 2012, 7:23 am #18

Morning Everyone,
A friend of mine is looking for an investment grade panerai, one that will increase in value over the years and will be attractive to collectors. Any thoughts? perhaps a vintage? or a limited edition? Which one? Thanks. Have a good weekend. Drew
Hello,

True, Very true that there have been watches that have gone up from $1800.00 to 95K
Something like 45 times original cost or more. But by in large-- It's hard to pick the exact winners.
The winners are there ....... But which ones??? Hard to tell....

At the best they seem to hold their value and perhaps increase a slight bit each year.
Their have been models that have severely decreased in value a year or so after introduction too.
But like clif mentioned....... In a different way....... It wouldn't have such "gusto" if they dropped like
a rock!!
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