6152/1 strap in a 3646 ????

6152/1 strap in a 3646 ????

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December 9th, 2011, 9:51 pm #1

A question for the vintage experts and Asi... I thought that the 3646 had the dark brown stitchless straps and when they were worn out aftermarket astraps were replacing them...

But here are the photos that Vanni took of a 3646 from a guy he randomly met in a coffee? shop if i remember correctly which has the mustardy 6152/1 strap???

Did it came originally like this from the factory? Panerai replaced the bark brown with this? Are there other examples?








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December 10th, 2011, 7:00 am #2

And not as a luxury timepiece. I don't think we can attribute any major significance to a strap combination because a diver with a worn out strap would have it replaced with whatever was available at the time. We frequently see tool straps (compass and depth gauges, many times with numbers) on vintage watches and it makes perfect sense. Saying that, we can learn a lot by looking at many different examples of a vintage reference and finding common characteristics. The 3646 reference with welded lugs has stitch on straps making the replacing more difficult so you can sometimes find a strap that was available at a place where it was possible to stitch a strap. We are talking about a time period where the watch was already out of service and in private hands, of course, and I think that is what you mean by aftermarket.
I hope I make sense?

Cheers and best from the holyland,

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December 10th, 2011, 12:04 pm #3

A question for the vintage experts and Asi... I thought that the 3646 had the dark brown stitchless straps and when they were worn out aftermarket astraps were replacing them...

But here are the photos that Vanni took of a 3646 from a guy he randomly met in a coffee? shop if i remember correctly which has the mustardy 6152/1 strap???

Did it came originally like this from the factory? Panerai replaced the bark brown with this? Are there other examples?








From my perspective, I've always thought the radiomirs had a much thinner strap , I think I bastardized mine when I put on an old, thick instrument stap on it.

 

This is the way the watch was when I first got it, everything about the strap shouted original and as issued, it was a pigskin strap that may have been dark brown but turned black over time. I don't pretend to be an authority of any sort, but its hard to refute how right this strap looks on the watch. Being a silly goose I had Bob Ridley cut the strap off and replate the buckle.................  this was years ago before I knew any better

 

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December 10th, 2011, 12:08 pm #4



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December 10th, 2011, 12:12 pm #5

A question for the vintage experts and Asi... I thought that the 3646 had the dark brown stitchless straps and when they were worn out aftermarket astraps were replacing them...

But here are the photos that Vanni took of a 3646 from a guy he randomly met in a coffee? shop if i remember correctly which has the mustardy 6152/1 strap???

Did it came originally like this from the factory? Panerai replaced the bark brown with this? Are there other examples?








...themselves. Beside of this the watch seems to be restored also in sight of the hands and the indexes looking very light and plain colored to me...

Anyway, why not should an collector have restored this one completely (maybe with the help or directly at Panerai) at the time this one was already a vintage watch but the 6152/1 were current production?

All the best,
Hagen
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December 10th, 2011, 12:14 pm #6

And not as a luxury timepiece. I don't think we can attribute any major significance to a strap combination because a diver with a worn out strap would have it replaced with whatever was available at the time. We frequently see tool straps (compass and depth gauges, many times with numbers) on vintage watches and it makes perfect sense. Saying that, we can learn a lot by looking at many different examples of a vintage reference and finding common characteristics. The 3646 reference with welded lugs has stitch on straps making the replacing more difficult so you can sometimes find a strap that was available at a place where it was possible to stitch a strap. We are talking about a time period where the watch was already out of service and in private hands, of course, and I think that is what you mean by aftermarket.
I hope I make sense?

Cheers and best from the holyland,

~Asi~



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I understand.. What i meant was.. this looks like it was sewn-in to the 3646 by Panerai as it is an original vintage.. and it was not issued like this

Usually if not at all the times the 3646 was supplied with the dark brown/black stichless strap with the nickle platd knife edge buckle..
When that strap was ruined pretty soon the owners were replacing it with 'aftermarket' which means they were going to any leather shop and put a similar strap..
This is the first time i see a 3646 that has replaced the original strap with another original from a later time..

Maybe the owner had good connection with Panerai and sent his watch (because since it is sewn-in it had to go) to the original strap supplier? Ciampi?


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December 10th, 2011, 12:15 pm #7

...themselves. Beside of this the watch seems to be restored also in sight of the hands and the indexes looking very light and plain colored to me...

Anyway, why not should an collector have restored this one completely (maybe with the help or directly at Panerai) at the time this one was already a vintage watch but the 6152/1 were current production?

All the best,
Hagen
thats what i thought in the first place

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December 10th, 2011, 12:32 pm #8

From my perspective, I've always thought the radiomirs had a much thinner strap , I think I bastardized mine when I put on an old, thick instrument stap on it.

 

This is the way the watch was when I first got it, everything about the strap shouted original and as issued, it was a pigskin strap that may have been dark brown but turned black over time. I don't pretend to be an authority of any sort, but its hard to refute how right this strap looks on the watch. Being a silly goose I had Bob Ridley cut the strap off and replate the buckle.................  this was years ago before I knew any better

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517810">

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517810">

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517812">

 

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...weren't meant to get sewed in any straps. I think they were meant be get worn on some usual kind of (today known as) NATO strap, like many professional dive instruments back in that days and untill our close past when dive computers were unknown because it is the best way to rinse and dry the watch with sweet water separately from the strap after diving salt water.

But The Italian war heros (you remember the thinnest book on earth) had many time to think about leather craftmanship while waiting for any action without any shot being fired (always must think about this your sentence)...and they were always fashionistas even in the past!

LOL...couldn't hesitate...now, back to seriousity: No, I really think that the Italians created the sewn in straps on this watches because they had seawater proof leather and craftmen around to sewn in the cases...just because, no special meaning.

All the best,
Hagen



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December 10th, 2011, 12:50 pm #9

From my perspective, I've always thought the radiomirs had a much thinner strap , I think I bastardized mine when I put on an old, thick instrument stap on it.

 

This is the way the watch was when I first got it, everything about the strap shouted original and as issued, it was a pigskin strap that may have been dark brown but turned black over time. I don't pretend to be an authority of any sort, but its hard to refute how right this strap looks on the watch. Being a silly goose I had Bob Ridley cut the strap off and replate the buckle.................  this was years ago before I knew any better

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517810">

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517810">

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517812">

 

<img alt="" src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ ... 1323517810">


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December 10th, 2011, 1:00 pm #10

...weren't meant to get sewed in any straps. I think they were meant be get worn on some usual kind of (today known as) NATO strap, like many professional dive instruments back in that days and untill our close past when dive computers were unknown because it is the best way to rinse and dry the watch with sweet water separately from the strap after diving salt water.

But The Italian war heros (you remember the thinnest book on earth) had many time to think about leather craftmanship while waiting for any action without any shot being fired (always must think about this your sentence)...and they were always fashionistas even in the past!

LOL...couldn't hesitate...now, back to seriousity: No, I really think that the Italians created the sewn in straps on this watches because they had seawater proof leather and craftmen around to sewn in the cases...just because, no special meaning.

All the best,
Hagen


At least this is what Ciampi told us when his grandfather who was in acquaintance with G. Panerai supplied the leather straps for the 3646.

Cheers and best from the holyland,

~Asi~



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December 10th, 2011, 1:15 pm #11

...that the idea of the fixed lugs/bars just is the same like on the later military watches with fixed lugs/bars...a kind of (today known as) Nato straps.

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December 10th, 2011, 1:52 pm #12

BTW I just ordered a leather NATO for my welded lugs Movado. Stitchin' isn't in my skills, but needs an Italian sense of style,,,,lol

Cheers and best from the holyland,

~Asi~



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December 10th, 2011, 10:57 pm #13

...for the 2screw thing...


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