by Lee Olsen
Yesterday, 20:03
Forum: Archaeology/Anthropology Forum
Topic: New Research On "Ice Free Corridor"
Replies: 25
Views: 1.5K

Re: New Research On

https://uoregon.academia.edu/JonErlandson http://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6363/592 http://natural-history.uoregon.edu/finding-first-americans Big mistake by Erlandson and the University of Oregon showing Channel points and crescents in the same hand from same site  and suggesting they have...
by Lee Olsen
Yesterday, 16:50
Forum: Archaeology/Anthropology Forum
Topic: New Research On "Ice Free Corridor"
Replies: 25
Views: 1.5K

Re: New Research On

>Honestly, I hadn't considered migratory birds, No problem, Fiedel didn't think of the 'over-the-ice' model and it looks like he was wrong from the most recent evidence. > though I had given some thought to unfamiliar flotsam casting up on the beach. Me too, there is weak (ah, very, very weak) circu...
by Lee Olsen
16 Nov 2017, 23:06
Forum: Archaeology/Anthropology Forum
Topic: New Research On "Ice Free Corridor"
Replies: 25
Views: 1.5K

Re: New Research On

The length of the corridor is variously estimated in the neighborhood of 1000 miles(1500-1600 km).  Let's say it's 900 miles and assume they actually had animals to herd.  The old west cattle drives would average around 15 miles a day.  At that rate it would take 60 days to travel 900 miles.  Witho...
by Lee Olsen
01 Nov 2017, 18:01
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Who done it?
Replies: 37
Views: 5.4K

Re: Who done it?

Progress is being made...slowly. Last March I stopped by the NFS office in John Day, Oregon and gave them the GPS readings to a site where this biface is located: http://imgur.com/a/LHhOJ The lady I talked to said she would take a look  to see if they already had the site located (pinned) on their w...
by Lee Olsen
01 Nov 2017, 13:24
Forum: Archaeology/Anthropology Forum
Topic: New Research On "Ice Free Corridor"
Replies: 25
Views: 1.5K

Re: New Research On

Lee Olsen wrote: "The only thing Heintzman et al. demonstrated is the corridor (the dry land trail without ice or bison) may not have been open early enough for travel, fair enough, but that is a far cry from proving Clovis people couldn't travel across ice which is absurd, as my links to the articl...
by Lee Olsen
18 Feb 2017, 16:41
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Rpiercestl wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Unfortunate that the discussion has degenerated in some folks eyes. There seem to be strong advocates for overshot technique being paleo and Clovis and others who think it too complicated and risky- is that a fair broa...
by Lee Olsen
17 Feb 2017, 20:15
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r>"In a word, insignificant. One experienced knapper making 4 flakes."<br/> <br/> "It is a method that I, and some other contemporary knappers (academic and amateur) have learned well enough to use intentionally, efficiently, and effectively, especially when replicating Solutrean and Clovis biface ...
by Lee Olsen
16 Feb 2017, 14:04
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Michael Bootz wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Lee Olsen wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Possibly it is because you don't realize that you are on a science list and the reason multiple references are given and science jargon i...
by Lee Olsen
15 Feb 2017, 16:54
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r>Keith says: "Lee seems only interested in arguing with everything anyone has to say."<br/> <br/> From lead article abstract (topic of thread on a science forum):<br/> <br/> Bradley: "The conclusion is that it is a useful technique, for a number of reasons, and that it was intentionally employed i...
by Lee Olsen
14 Feb 2017, 14:47
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>paleolithictech22 wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><br/> <HR>[hr]</HR>lee olsen;<br/> <br/> <B><s>[b]</s> <e>[/b]</e></B>paleotech22 wrote: "You should probably actually read the talk section of those wiki articles."<br/> <br/> Why, is the wiki board peer reviewed?<br/> <br/...
by Lee Olsen
14 Feb 2017, 05:41
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>paleolithictech22 wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><br/> <HR>[hr]</HR>"Lee Olsen; You seem to be all over the place on modern knapper credibility."<br/> <br/> I would really like to see your overshot Clovis-like bifaces. Could you post some photos? <br/> <br/>  paleo22 wrote...
by Lee Olsen
14 Feb 2017, 04:21
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Hummingbird Point wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR><COLOR color="RGB(51,0,0)"><s>[color=RGB(51,0,0)]</s><SIZE size="100"><s>[size=100]</s><FONT font="VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, SANS-SERIF"><s>[font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA, SANS-SERIF]</s><br/> </FONT><e>[/size...
by Lee Olsen
14 Feb 2017, 01:58
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>CurtisSmith wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B>  And on top of that most modern knappers are only replicating the shape. Very few have actually studied the archeology to try to learn and replicate the original techniques.<e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE>Right, the big money is in the pe...
by Lee Olsen
13 Feb 2017, 23:26
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r>Lee said: "So today's superstars can't pass the 3D Clovis test? I thought so."<br/> <br/> Why didn't they? <br/> <br/> Keith said: "That is what you see in Wenachee, Rutz, Azwick, etc."<br/> <br/> Lee said: "No, lots of overshots and lots of junk too, that's what I see. And I clearly stated #326 ...
by Lee Olsen
13 Feb 2017, 17:17
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Rpiercestl wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>paleolithictech22 wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Rpiercestl; <br/> I didn't know that the genetic sequence for Solutrean was known and we only have one example for Clovis....Remembe...
by Lee Olsen
13 Feb 2017, 05:56
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>paleolithictech22 wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>No I've been in the discussion on wiki we don't know who those people are. <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE>Well, when you find a DNA paper at wiki that refutes those cited here, let us know.  <br/> <br/> Is there some re...
by Lee Olsen
13 Feb 2017, 05:12
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>paleolithictech22 wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Rpiercestl; <br/> I didn't know that the genetic sequence for Solutrean was known and we only have one example for Clovis....Remember the Solutrean are a very mysterious people and we probably know even less abo...
by Lee Olsen
13 Feb 2017, 04:51
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r>"First, looking back at the paper that started the discussion, all it really shows is one very good knapper" <br/> <br/> Compared to who? Certainly not Clovis. <br/> <br/> <URL url="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440312001823"><s>[url=http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...
by Lee Olsen
12 Feb 2017, 16:17
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Rpiercestl wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Reading some more lately and wondering when the controversy on overshot flaking arose or heated up. <br/> <br/> A relatively new book "Projectile Point Types in Missouri and Portions of Adjacent States by Jack H. Ray h...
by Lee Olsen
11 Feb 2017, 23:50
Forum: Flintknapping - Theory, Replication and Scientific Discussion
Topic: Clovis intentional bifacial overshot flaking: Two replica examples
Replies: 93
Views: 4.4K

<r><QUOTE><s>[quote]</s><B><s>[b]</s>Rpiercestl wrote:<e>[/b]</e></B><HR>[hr]</HR>Another factor to consider is that debitage consists only of flakes that were discarded; not flakes reshaped or used as is for another purpose. Spalling and overshot flakes which are larger and have more sharp perimete...