First time making Chinese arrows and forging arrowheads

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mstu
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Joined: 03 Feb 2005, 10:48

02 Nov 2017, 13:21 #31

hingafer wrote:
mstu wrote: Beautiful work on the arrowheads; I'd love to see some more details of the process, as I've forged socketed bodkin points but haven't tried the tanged type yet.
Thanks.  Since I'm new at forging stuff my techniques would most likely be embarrassing.  I don't even know if I'm holding the hammer correctly.  I have a paint can forge and railway track....its pretty ghetto..LOL.  One day I will be able to get a real (amateur) forge.  I think socket type would be harder than tang type. 
I find it's not too difficult to make ugly forged points...consistently attractive ones are still a goal for me. I wouldn't worry about your forging setup much, as fancier equipment in my experience mostly is easier to use, rather than being functionally any different. But you probably could trade your next set of points toward better equipment, as many blacksmiths are willing to barter.

Michael
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hingafer
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Joined: 08 Sep 2017, 07:10

03 Nov 2017, 02:56 #32

mstu wrote:
hingafer wrote:
mstu wrote: Beautiful work on the arrowheads; I'd love to see some more details of the process, as I've forged socketed bodkin points but haven't tried the tanged type yet.
Thanks.  Since I'm new at forging stuff my techniques would most likely be embarrassing.  I don't even know if I'm holding the hammer correctly.  I have a paint can forge and railway track....its pretty ghetto..LOL.  One day I will be able to get a real (amateur) forge.  I think socket type would be harder than tang type. 
I find it's not too difficult to make ugly forged points...consistently attractive ones are still a goal for me. I wouldn't worry about your forging setup much, as fancier equipment in my experience mostly is easier to use, rather than being functionally any different. But you probably could trade your next set of points toward better equipment, as many blacksmiths are willing to barter.

Michael
Not sure what someone would pay for an arrow head like mine.  Seen some on Ebay but not accurate representation and selling for $40/pc.  I had bought some and was not happy so I decide to forge my own.  I didn't make my points so I can sell them, It would be hard to part with my points as I put so much care and work into them.  But to barter, that is a concept I'm willing to explore.  I'm working a new batch, this time with harder tool steel.  I'm having a hell of a time grinding the metal and this is before quenching.  Not sure what kind it is (D2?) but it is taking three times as long to forge one arrowhead.  I definitely need the right tools......someday....
As for your socket points, why don't post some pictures or just give the tang type a go.  I wouldn't even attempt to forge the socket type.
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Quest for fire
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04 Nov 2017, 20:47 #33

hingafer wrote:
Quest for fire wrote: Your first attached picture in the first post has disappeared.
That means nothing to me as I copied them but your fine work
should be documented for everyone to see. I realise it is too late now but
in the future could you put a measure in one picture? The relative size of
arrow shafts is of little import but a quarter,dollar or ruler alongside one
picture of the arrowheads would be appreciated,especially with those long tangs.
That is not a criticism of your work. I look forward eagerly to all developments.

There is a bow maker in Ontario by the name of Japp Koppeldryer.(sp)
You two should get together somehow. I think the archery community
would be better for it.

I will try to post a stock pic' of him and his work.

Quest for Fire

P.S. 

I met Japp at a tournament in Ontario though it is doubtful he remembers.
He was in his booth and I commented that I would like to throw one of his tanged arrowheads and have the tang stick in. He said that of course I meant the point of the broadhead. I am not a very good thrower but
know what I can and sometimes should do. Even though the weight distribution is way off,
I bet you that tang would stick just fine. 😉
Sure I will include a coin or ruler for the next photos.  Are you going to forge some arrowheads?  I live in Calgary, Alberta and don't think there are many traditional Asian style archers here.  I would like to get to know some, maybe they can test some of my arrows.  It would be great to get some feeback.  Does Japp make other kinds of bow or just Japanese?
As far as I know he only makes Japanese bows.
I do not really know him but am enthused by his expertise.

No there are no plans in the forecast to forge heads.
It is a very nice idea though.

Quest for Fire

P.S. 

One other photographic technique that blade lovers like
is to show a picture with the blade in hand. It gives a bit of personality to the shot.
I am terrible with photography. All that I say is what I have read to make pictures interesting and useful.
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hingafer
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Joined: 08 Sep 2017, 07:10

05 Nov 2017, 02:03 #34

Quest for fire wrote:
hingafer wrote:
Quest for fire wrote: Your first attached picture in the first post has disappeared.
That means nothing to me as I copied them but your fine work
should be documented for everyone to see. I realise it is too late now but
in the future could you put a measure in one picture? The relative size of
arrow shafts is of little import but a quarter,dollar or ruler alongside one
picture of the arrowheads would be appreciated,especially with those long tangs.
That is not a criticism of your work. I look forward eagerly to all developments.

There is a bow maker in Ontario by the name of Japp Koppeldryer.(sp)
You two should get together somehow. I think the archery community
would be better for it.

I will try to post a stock pic' of him and his work.

Quest for Fire

P.S. 

I met Japp at a tournament in Ontario though it is doubtful he remembers.
He was in his booth and I commented that I would like to throw one of his tanged arrowheads and have the tang stick in. He said that of course I meant the point of the broadhead. I am not a very good thrower but
know what I can and sometimes should do. Even though the weight distribution is way off,
I bet you that tang would stick just fine. 😉
Sure I will include a coin or ruler for the next photos.  Are you going to forge some arrowheads?  I live in Calgary, Alberta and don't think there are many traditional Asian style archers here.  I would like to get to know some, maybe they can test some of my arrows.  It would be great to get some feeback.  Does Japp make other kinds of bow or just Japanese?
As far as I know he only makes Japanese bows.
I do not really know him but am enthused by his expertise.

No there are no plans in the forecast to forge heads.
It is a very nice idea though.

Quest for Fire

P.S. 

One other photographic technique that blade lovers like
is to show a picture with the blade in hand. It gives a bit of personality to the shot.
I am terrible with photography. All that I say is what I have read to make pictures interesting and useful.
Too bad he doesn't make Chinese bows!  So I had just finished another batch of arrowheads (a step close to my goal of 100, up to 78 now).  Attached is a pic for your scale reference. 20171104_195410[1].jpg
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Quest for fire
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Joined: 22 Mar 2007, 06:19

05 Nov 2017, 22:55 #35

Excellent forging and photographic work.
Our Loony coin was never in better company.

Quest for Fire
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Stalker
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Joined: 30 Sep 2015, 11:04

08 Nov 2017, 16:57 #36

Do you have Japanese and Chinese / Manchu bows to go with these arrow heads?
Filip
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hingafer
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08 Nov 2017, 19:28 #37

Quest for fire wrote: Excellent forging and photographic work.
Our Loony coin was never in better company.

Quest for Fire
Thanks. Hope that works for your scaling regerence.
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hingafer
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08 Nov 2017, 19:43 #38

Stalker wrote: Do you have Japanese and Chinese / Manchu bows to go with these arrow heads?
Well yes I do have a Chinese (Manchu) horn bow. Photo of it was in my first post. But if you interested in purchasing one then sorry I won't be able to help you. I only make arrows. I would like to know where or who else makes Manchu horn bows as I would like yo buy another one too.

Cheers,
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Stalker
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09 Nov 2017, 17:10 #39

I just saw it, cool looking bow. 
Filip
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