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Quest for fire
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08 Nov 2017, 23:12 #501

Robson Valley wrote: I was carving the spoons and forks a dozen at a time.
Preheat your oven to 325F.  You need cake racks over a big sheet pan.

This finishing technique takes advantage of Charles Law of gas physics.
Namely, that hot gases expand and cooling gases contract.

Slather the woods with the veg oil of your choice.  Slop it on, lay them on the rack over the sheet to catch the drips.
Into the oven for no more than 3 minutes and 30 seconds by the clock.
4 minutes and they begin to cook like french fries.
Take them out, let them cool.

What happened?
In the oven, the outer wood air was heated and expanded.
I expect that you will see bubbles on the oil.
Out of the oven, the remaining wood air contracts and sucks the oil down into the wood.

1.  Unless you reheat the wood to 350F, the oil won't move.
2.  It can't go rancid because the oil _replaced_ the air/oxygen.
3.  You can't wash it off.
4.  It won't come out in boiling water/soup.
5.  Soup juice can't get into the wood to decompose and go black like the bottom of your compost bin.
Cool beans on that.
I will look for a suitable length of wood to carve a sturdy spatula.
I can do that while watching the shooting line.
Carve,carve,look,look,look,carve. 😉

All I have now is spruce or some kind of maple.
No birch in my neck of the woods. We do have an excellent,
woodcarvers supply but it is completely across the city from me.
Forty five minutes in the car with no traffic. I am afraid it is just too,
much by bicycle. The shop has wood you pay for by the pound.😮
They also used to have excellent,absolutely straight grained Ash.
Perfect for making bows. They used to let you look through the,
stacked lumber and pick what you want. I guess too many sloths,
didn't tidy up after they sorted through the wood.

Tonite it is left over soup and dumplings.
Just no get up and go to cook. 
I did make a small loaf of bread for brunch.
It was great with P.B. and J.😊
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Robson Valley
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08 Nov 2017, 23:53 #502

 One of the things you notice about all store-bought spoons is that they all have skinny/flimsy handles.
Kestrel Tools is a top brand bladesmith, making Pacific Northwest native style wood carving tools.
I buy their blades and make all the handles myself.

One of their key concepts is what I like to call the "Kestrel Constant."
This describes the handle diameter such that you don't have to squeeze with a death-grip,
which is tiring.

Palm up, gripping the handle, the tips of your second and third fingers should just touch the fat ball part of your thumb.
I used a batch of spoons to learn that I need a 7/8" handle.  I can make do with 3/4" but 1" is too fat.
Elbow adze, D adze, more than a dozen crooked knives, all the same.

Consequently, all of my spoons and forks look kind of clunky.
I'll go so far as to wager that I can open a coconut with a spoon handle of mine.

Carving:  Any neighbor that can spare a 1" x 16" branch from some fruit tree?
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Quest for fire
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09 Nov 2017, 00:22 #503

Robson Valley wrote:One of their key concepts is what I like to call the "Kestrel Constant."
This describes the handle diameter such that you don't have to squeeze with a death-grip,
which is tiring.

Palm up, gripping the handle, the tips of your second and third fingers should just touch the fat ball part of your thumb.
I used a batch of spoons to learn that I need a 7/8" handle.  I can make do with 3/4" but 1" is too fat.


Carving:  Any neighbor that can spare a 1" x 16" branch from some fruit tree?
It will be fun to check out Kestrel tools.
Not every year but sometimes an American Kestrel drops
by a local bird feeder to see which bird will be the feeder.😮
The Kestrel is an elegant,beautiful bird.

The only neighbor near me with a fruit tree has two Figs.
They are planted in huge plastic drums. My neighbor digs a
long trench four feet deep,lays down the Figs and buries them each Fall.
If I asked for a branch I think he would have a fit.😮

There are those Hawthorns near me and some kind of Crab Apple.
My loppers are almost brand new. They would make short
work of even the Hawthorn. Hawthorn is very good for tool handles.
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Robson Valley
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09 Nov 2017, 00:52 #504

Crab apple would be fine.  I used birch as a monster load of it materialized and I could buy it for $3 per stick.
Kestrel has a good website.  Sit down before you look at blade prices,  But, you get what you pay for.
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Robson Valley
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09 Nov 2017, 00:54 #505

Let's see if I can add a link to Kestrel

http://www.kestreltool.com/
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Quest for fire
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09 Nov 2017, 09:00 #506

Very honest,straightforward craftsmen these Kestrels.
They are almost apologetic over the wait times for tools.
I am sure the prices are in line with the quality but they are out
of the question for someone who may only use them once or twice.

The reviews of their work say a lot.
Attention to detail and sharpness figure prominently in them.

I have to be careful in what I say.
This project will probably get done but for the now
it is on the table of possible projects for this Wynter.

The Hawthorn bow has to take precedence as well.
If that doesn't get done soon it may never get done.
I have already been told that Hawthorn is unsuitable for
a bow and that my work is for naught but I have already
made a bow from it so know it is possible.
I will not be deterred by commonplace thinking.


There is no doubt that there are more knots
in that bow in the making than Lachine has rapids.

So you see my dilemma.
The world can do without a single hand carved spatula but
a Hawthorn bow must be achieved or at least attempted.
I am wondering where my Nicholson rasp is as we speak.😉
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Robson Valley
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09 Nov 2017, 16:57 #507

File-finding is matched only by my habit of taking my glasses off to read.  Utter panic when I could not
recall what I had done with them.  Finally found them on top of the fridge, of all places. 
Major panic.  No, your file wasn't there.
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09 Nov 2017, 20:01 #508

I am precisely sure of where my file is right now. 😀
Exactly where I can't find it.🙄 Ah it is in the workshop there is no doubt.
The issue is there are too many tools and arrows in there.
Maybe fifteen stacked tool boxes full of everything from
a glue gun to a barrel wrench. At least two hundred arrows strewn here and there.
Maybe fifty knives packed neatly away or out in the open in disarray.
The last time I used the belt sander I had to place my feet carefully.

One week or so before the bike has to come in and
the back wheel went South on me.😐 Another broken spoke unfortunately.
You should have heard it go. A loud TUNG!!! and that was all she wrote.
Fortunately it happened close to the house. Once stopped the bike was
no longer driveable. The rear rim locked up the brakes.

It happened when I had an appointment with a cardiologist the next day too.
There was no way I could have ridden there anyway but it urinates me off. 😶
Not only did I have to use the car which adds a day to my budget but
I got a ticket which puts me off another chunk of change as well.

I had planned getting a better wheel for next year. The broken spoke changed that plan.
I took the money saved from not changing the spoke and put it towards the new rim.
The spokes are noticeably thicker and the rim seems well designed.
It has a stepped conicular shaped cross section.

The tire is almost worn out but will last me the season.
I am able to lay away a new one over the Wynter.
It costs every bit as much as a car tire.
The fact is it costs more than the rim.
I will have to research it before buying.

This Wynter will see me pondering over outfitting the bike properly.
I have to find a way to make it more shock resistant.
Any bike that has to keep up with me has a hard road ahead of it.😉

Tracker benefitted from the bike's downtime.
He got walked to the bike shop with the old wheel.
I had a coffee in a café while watching him outside.
The little Romeo wasn't lonely. He was getting pets left,right and center.
One girl even gave him a piece of her sandwich.😃
Dog heaven if you ask me.😊
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09 Nov 2017, 20:36 #509

My workshop/carving shop is almost chest deep.  I have been meaning to do something about that.
I have a tall drafting type chair and it still rolls so I'll tidy up some other time.
Think I should make some bread and do house things during the rise times.
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Quest for fire
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09 Nov 2017, 21:03 #510

Speaking of safe woodworking practices........Nuff said 😆
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09 Nov 2017, 22:00 #511

Crooked knives are normally used with pull-cuts. 
When the knife slips, you get hit in the chest.
This is hard on shirts and stings a little, too, as they cut right through my shirts.
Serious heavy-duty canvas apron now has been hit dozens of times.

Beaver do get killed dropping trees.  I've seen pictures. 
Not enough of them for the outright damage they do to forest ecology.
I'll guess here with the dense forests that as many as 1/4 of the cut trees
get hung up and don't ever hit the ground.
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Quest for fire
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10 Nov 2017, 04:09 #512

Here is my buddie's split Ash basket quiver.
It was made on the local Reserve following traditional methods but
uses modern buckles and rivets on the harness. You can just read Kanawaké in the beadwork.
Sorry about the crappy pictures. This guy shoots so fast the camera can't keep up.🤗
 He can also hit a dangling cheereo at twenty yards.😮

P.S.

That's a snazzy Hoyt recurve he is shooting.
Hoyt is about the best in modern materials recurves.
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11 Nov 2017, 13:52 #513

Thursday night at the range was very good.
We had more than enough volunteers to set up.
That included the buddy who has that very nice split Ash quiver in the post above.
I had not seen him in almost a year and remarked he looked very trim.
He said he decided to get in shape as he was going to Night School to study networking.
He is a dedicated,disciplined individual and had lost thirty five pounds.
Those are pounds he didn't really need to lose by city standards.
I think he must have radically improved his diet as well as exercised.

I decided to get my bow out as we had enough volunteers to take turns volunteering.
There was a picture of a good sized rabbit at thirty meters. I said that the rabbit was mine first shot.
After checking out how crooked my arrows were I ammended that to two shots.
Both missed but one was darn close. The second volley saw both close with one,
right next to Mister bunny. My next try tagged the cotton tail on the shoulder.
That would have to do as both my fingers hurt and a volunteer was leaving.

I really do have to find good enough leather to make a tab.
There is no hair on goat skin to be found so slippery leather will have to do.
Fifteen minutes fooling around with a pattern and scissors have the rough,
shape cut out. A few test shots and the slot cut into the tab will be the perfect size.

The night ended well.
I have started to edit pic's and whatnot out of the tablet while watching the line.
That only gets done when the adults are shooting and not too many of them.
When the kids are shooting I need every bit of brain power to keep them safe.
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11 Nov 2017, 18:44 #514

Tracker's treat today was a slice of marble cheese and
flakes of butter croissant on top of his dog food.
He got a biscuit at the end of it all to clean his teeth.

I on the other hand had a third of a cup of nuked coffee as my treat.😐
No biscuit to dip in it either.😑 I can't say I deserved one either.
I wae supposed to go to a parts shop to buy a switch for the car.
It is too cold to ride my bike that far if it breaks down.
I think the front wheel is out of true.
That does not bode well for the condition of the spokes.

Tracker will get a walk and stay outside with me as the wheel gets closer scrutiny.
I hope it is my eyes that are the problem and not the spokes.
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11 Nov 2017, 20:35 #515

Very nice split ash quiver.  The maker clearly understands the anatomy of ring-porous woods.
If I guess black ash (Fraxinus nigra), that puts it in the St Lawrence river valley.
Maybe some day, I'll afford a split ash basket.

The radiologist's report came back, we needed a look inside my knees.
"Vascular calcification is prominent."  I am turning into freakin' stone.
Yeah, I've heard the 'old fossil' joke, already.

I'm glad that I can't bake anything more delicate than a hamburger bun.
Croissant are my nemesis.
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12 Nov 2017, 00:06 #516

Yep if he used local wood which is no doubt the case then definitely Saint Lawrence valley.
Most probably Black Ash as well as I have one right outside my door.
Too bad that Ash is affected by the Emerald Borer. They have cut
down whole street lengths of Ash in some parts of the city.
I cannot imagine it is any better in the woods. I mean it is not
likely anyone is going to cut down all those trees and then immediately burn all the wood.

In the city they have stopped collecting hardwood garden refuse.
This in an attempt to localise the infestation. They take syringe like devices to
somehow innoculate the tree against the insects. So far they have cut a couple of
trees down and treated the rest. The tree outside my door has been treated but
has developed a hollow at the bottom. It looks like where a branch was cut off and
the tree grew a ring around it. A local cat keeps scratching out dead,black,almost powdered wood.

I like unique quivers utilising different materials.
I had made this huge mishapen one from buffalo hide.
It looked like someone had cut off their leg and used it for a quiver.😮
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12 Nov 2017, 00:27 #517

Can't remember the name but there's a new bug south of you folks, down in Minnesota/Wisconsin.
One brand of artificial Christmas tree had a wooden core and came from China.
The Chinese bugs love North American wood.

Part of the technique to get the black ash wood to delaminate is to age the logs on the ground.
I have seen pictures of 100% stunning artistry, woven from that wood.
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12 Nov 2017, 00:50 #518

Have you ever looked up things like switches for the car and other  parts on line Quest? I am amazed at how easy it is to get parts on line and sometimes way cheaper than other places. Heck My wash machine quit mid load doing a load of towels after I washed the dogs...I had to bail out the water.I looked what had happened up by Googling it  saying it quit and water would come in but nothing else worked...it told me what the problem was and what I needed to order to fix it..so I ordered the part and in the meantime jumped the lid switch so the machine would at least work...and when the switch came ...I had it in within a half hour or less. Saved myself some big bucks I am sure. And I surprised myself...I can still fix things..if I don't get all shook up about what ever went wrong...LOL!~! I was pretty bombed when The machine would not work....( you know the sky is falling etc. )
On the subject of diseases in trees....if I can find it I will post it...I saw a article about how many trees over the whole of the Americas are succumbing to diseases....so much so its threatening forests everywhere...and  it tells the % of trees affected in different areas. Oak blight...Ash borers, some kind of pine disease or bug, birch tree disease and poplar as well in the mountain west. The article was out out by a trusted entity....and sounded rather dire.... Quills
" You can't stop the waves .... but, you can learn to surf."
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12 Nov 2017, 01:19 #519

I don't have particularly good luck on line but may give it a go again in the future.
Now that I have an e-mail again it is at least feasible. The car parts store I speak of
is an inexspensive one and carries parts for older cars.

I am glad you got your washer going on your own and you should be proud of it.
You are right a dedicated repairman probably costs fifty bucks just to get him in the door.
In my case like yours the part to be replaced is relatively easy to access.
I will probably not get the original part only an ordinary weather resistant switch.
My old Magnum is probably only good for another year or two.
Wynter is rough on older cars.

I agree it is too bad some of our key flora isn't doing well.
It does not bode well for our as human beings distant future.
As far as Nature is concerned,nothing will stop it.
Nature will only adapt.
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12 Nov 2017, 02:18 #520

It has taken many decades for out forestry administrators to comprehend the value of fire.
It used to be thought of in the most immediate terms of economic loss.  Wrong.
Nature doesn't work that way.

What we saw here was that younger, more vigorous pines could smother the bugs in resin and "pitch them out."
The old pine could not.  Fire has been suppressed for so long that the older forest age made the whole place 
vulnerable to attack.  We have 18,000,000 ha dead cracked sticks.  Need some?

BC has to burn every 70-100 years.  We have pine with serotinous cones.  They MUST have fire to open the cones to reseed.
The option is to crop it off like wheat and the law demands replanting.  That works.
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