Beginning Knappers read this please...

A collection of information for those just starting their flintknapping journey.
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07 Dec 2008, 15:37 #61

This is the place to be. Lots of skilled knappers, tutorials, and video guides here. Good luck and have fun!

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04 Apr 2009, 20:28 #62

Mike that is a wonderful Ideal Thats just great advice!
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28 Sep 2009, 23:30 #63

If you are looking for some high quality obsidian, take a look at this ebay store: Lapidary Stone Supply

I bought these gold sheen and mahogany silver sheen obsidian rocks for 5$ Great stuff, shipped in 2-3 days. They've got a good selection of unique varieties, you can fill a USPS Flat rate box full with whatever varieties and sizes of the obsidian you would like for under 20$.
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04 Feb 2010, 14:50 #64

Hey...I'm new to this site and new to flintknapping. I just made my tools and am ready to get started. I guess I'm gonna try to start learning on glass bottles and stuff but it pretty much sucks shagging bottles out of the ditches to get stuff to practice on. Two questions...Where is a good place to find lots of glass to knapp on....and where the heck can a guy in north Florida find local material in large amounts to practice on? Can anybody help me?
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13 Sep 2010, 19:00 #65

Any suggestions as to how i can make my pressure flakes much longer?  All i have been able to do this far is make some short flakes.
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16 Sep 2010, 02:13 #66

You all have me itching to try this. Too bad I don't have the obsidian rock I had when growing up... it was about a foot long and 8" across all around... coulda started there!

Anyone know of anything ever happening in Florida? It would be good to SEE it being done...
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24 Oct 2010, 22:55 #67

Great advice Mike. My brother teaches survival skills in Eastern Washington, and 2 summers ago we met for a reunion in Arkansas and he gave me some nice pieces of obsidien to try my luck with. I have been a wee bit intimidated to try since I am NY with no one close to give me guidence, but by using the method you described I think I may give it a go.
Will let you know how I do.
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21 Nov 2010, 16:42 #68

Idaho Clovisman wrote:Ok i am seeing alot of beginning knappers post pics of their work i have a little bit to say about this ...when i first started i tried to make points when they broke i got fustrated so i found a better and faster way to sucess..(build your cofidence on sucess).Don't try to make points, to make good points you have to be able to take good flakes but when you first start it is hard and you waste alot of material so MAKE preforms....that is all then put them in a bucket...when every bit of your material is gone go back to your bucket and thin the preforms making them a better preform by the time you have gone through a bucket 2 times without trying to make a point your flaking will have gotten 100% better you will be able to take long flakes or short flakes and that is the key. i have a student in Montana he started with 500lbs of obsidian he reduced it all to 5 buckets of preforms ,he then reduced them again and he had 3 buckets of nice preforms..he then reduced them again to shaped then bifaces ready to finish he had 1 bucket left but it was great stuff..it took him almost a year but then he started making points from his bucket well he is better than me now and it only took him about 18 months...something to think about ...:-
This is great advice. I have been screwing up material for a while now. This simple plan is exactly the study plan I need. I wish somebody would have spelled this out for me a long time ago.
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29 May 2011, 15:02 #69

since some one brought this back to the top...could we please have some pictures again of preforms??? they all seem to have been removed..... Quills
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24 Aug 2011, 08:42 #70

Quillsnkiko wrote:since some one brought this back to the top...could we please have some pictures again of preforms??? they all seem to have been removed..... Quills
I'm fresh out of the gate here so forgive me for not looking around some more before asking a question, but it said please read so I did and got all worked up to see the photos and their gone. I'm sure I'll find enough else where I haven't even scratched the surface but if these have been moved I would like to see them if anyone could save me some time, Thanks.wtrfwlr.
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29 Nov 2011, 01:09 #71

Great Idea. I'm just starting to learn the patience behind this art, and this teaches patience as well as discipline.
Thanks for the advice!
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03 Feb 2013, 16:38 #72

Hey, I am new here on this forum. I usually hang out in the Leather forum. I have made a couple of good glass bottle points. That was a few years ago. Amazingly, they were better than the two knives I bought from a powwow. Not bragging. I was just playing with an ishi stick I made. I think the knives were just made quickly to sell to the public so they can say "Hey guys, look at this. I have an arrow head knife! HEE HAW!" They were made from a slab and the reason I know this is cuz it wasn't thinned even enough to get the saw marks off of it, and the edge wasn't finished. And it was dulled so the public wouldn't hurt themselves with it. I have just made another handheld ishi stick and bopper but I didn't have any copper. I have seen guys use steel before, but my experience is that if you are using steel, you have to abraid... alot, cuz it would rather slip off than take a flake. I know I need better tools. Now, that being said... I have seen videos of guys using big rocks and using a hammerstone to get starters for preforms (what are those called again). But never have I seen a video where a guy is working a small rock (like fist size). I have several rocks that I think are flint or chert that are about fist size. Do those work? I have only been able to bust up one rock so far (it's been rainy here). It had cracks all over and going different directions, so I knew it wouldn't yield many good peices. Still gonna save them to see if I can make something out of them later when I get more skilled. Question 2 Should I put the small rocks down and go for some bigger (2-3-4 fist size) rocks? Is it easier for a beginner to start with bigger rocks? I have watched closely, a video where a guy used a hammerstone and got these really big nice (shards? dang! still cant think of what they're called) for preforms. Those kind that run perfectly right down the side of a nice rock. I think I could do it, with the right rocks, and a little practice.

I want to learn!!!

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03 Feb 2013, 18:03 #73

Hey you can use the sides of bottles to. Give it a try it will give ya more Material to work this is one to give a perspective.
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03 Feb 2013, 21:19 #74

Check out paleomanjim on utube. He has some great video's on hammer stones and how to use them. Hammer stones are almost every where and cost you nothing. Hope this helps
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05 Feb 2013, 07:14 #75

I had wondered if the sides of bottle could also be used. Seemed like a waste if one couldn't. But even so, there would be a little less glass in the landfill...
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05 Feb 2013, 23:45 #76

@ma tanner -

the term you're trying to remember is "spalls". with regard to your question, you are better off at the beginning trying to work decent quality rock of a decent size, because small rocks can be much trickier and frustrating. but having said that, i did a lot of initial practicing on "bull rock" from a landscaping company, because it was cheap and because i knew i'd be ruining a lot of rock while i was learning how it breaks. but i don't necessarily recommend doing too much with one type of material at first, because you might think some problem you're having is all you, when it may be in large part due to the rock. so try to get a bunch of different rocks and hit them and see what happens.

you can shorten the learning curve a lot by reading "the art of flintknapping" and then watching a bunch of you tube videos of knappers in action. i've watched some of them so many times that i can say the words along with the knappers when they talk...

good luck with it.
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06 Feb 2013, 05:49 #77

Thank you Freeze Cracked, I have gotten a little frustrated with some spalls. They don't break where they should cuz they're cracked and all wonkie. I have been able to get one shaped down to a point, but absolutely can not get it to thin in one area. I don't know what it's deal is. Or what my deal is. I can't seem to get in to it to make a platform. It just won't flake anywhere in that area. So I tried to get it by hitting it at an angle towards it thinking if I thin the area around it, but that didn't work either. So I put that one down and worked a glass bottle bottom in to a nice point. It's not as wide as my index finger but a little longer than from the tip of the finger to the first knuckle. I just need to thin it a tiny bit more, and notch it. I would like to get ahold of some obsidian. I think I like glass right now for starting cuz it's easier than flint or chert. I'm not sure, but I think I have found a wierd rock. It looks like flint on the outside, but I broke it directly in half, and it's all chalk. No dark smooth rock inside. ???!@%#??? Not sure what to think. I gotta say, I think that's worse than finding out that your M&M is all shell.
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06 Feb 2013, 12:51 #78

Ma like Freeze cracked said Collect all kinds of material toilet tanks ,glass rock and work it till you hit that place you can't get past and stop. Go on to the next piece and work it the same and keep that up. By the time you get a big pile of them you will have learned much. Go back to that pile and start working it over again. Keep watching videos on YouTube. The more you see the more you learn. I'm still learning alot my self. It's like a rock on Weight watchers Hard to get thin lol!!
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06 Feb 2013, 19:28 #79

Thanks!

Ma
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25 Feb 2013, 02:18 #80

I just joined, found this tremendously useful.
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