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July 29th, 2006, 1:56 am #41

Hey aaron where in Texas are you getting all this rock. Im a new knapper and have need of some good rock. Your help would be appreciated.
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July 31st, 2006, 2:53 am #42

okie what do you want?? in rock that is ..LOLWe have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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August 30th, 2006, 8:39 pm #43

Jim is very correct on the Go0od material vs Bad material.

Once you understand..I mean can see it before you hit it understand how a flake reacts on each blow, you need to get material that will consistantly react the same.

Obsidian...Super..but you are always gently bopping scared of breaking it...If its not a 12 inch x 1/2 thick x 3 inches wide...just hit it...maybe learn something...Reason I say a big piece like that cause then it becomes a valuable piece of material, then you have to be careful...if not then youll have many smaller pieces which you can get tons of!

Texas Flints...
Most you buy cheap are just that..cracked up, inclusioned perdernales, edwards and other flints...Eats your tools up FAST...TRUST ME....But I started with it.. and it takes a whack to realease a flake but you learn power without whailing away!

Cherts...

I would say buy a 55 gallon drum of BURLINGTON CHERT already heat altered to learn with. WHY??? Well it always works well, beautiful colors, and your wife will let you buy miore becuase its pretty!

Serious...around 2 bucks a pound in QUANTITY already heated. You are gonna have some of the easiest rock to work. Its smooth, predictable, and you can usually see each flake after you remove it. LInes are easy to see. Plus you will get someone spauling it out in the best possible slabs for you to work.

Take your time, get it under control, remove mass first, and if you cant get to it work the side the platforms are telling you to work and it will eventually lift the other side up to attack it too. Be patient and draw the fakes you want to remove...isolate the platforms and hit them..try and get the flake you drew off...When you can do it youll impress yourself and your friends watching. Makes ya feel good and in return youll take more pride in a possible point your making.

This is what Ive done to excell in point making, watch the greats, learn from them, mimic if you have to but strive to be the best and if you have enough determination youll be there ....still gonna take many years but the learning curve will bend your way.

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January 25th, 2007, 4:35 pm #44

Good post but i do have to disagree with one aspect do not learn on tougher material learn on weaker material like obsidian,, when you do you learn better support and better control which all transferes over to chert ,flint ,agate, later on.If you learn on tough stuff then you blow up anything delicate...i look at it like this if you can knapp obsidian you can knapp anything ,the visa versa is not true...We have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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We have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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April 9th, 2007, 7:57 am #45

One year ago, Mike (Idaho Clovisman) posted his Beginning Knappers read this please... thread, where he reports about one of his students first collecting 500lbs before starting knapping and exercising exercising exercising exercising ..

That made me start collecting flintstone. It took me one year to collect the 500lbs just buy trading with friends but I succeeded. Last weekend I received three huge flintrocks from a friend:-).

Just look at those small monster flints:-). Im now ready to start knapping:-).

Thanks Mike!

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May 9th, 2007, 8:44 pm #46

now thats what i am talking about...start whacking...We have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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We have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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June 16th, 2007, 7:56 pm #47

unable to open the pictures - do you have any suggestions?
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June 22nd, 2007, 1:25 pm #48

I have been knapping for about 9 months. I started destroying a lot of beautiful rock, so did something similar and it really helped. It reduced my frustration and saved a lot of nice rock!

I am still not good enough to make decent points, but here a a couple of my efforts. I can't seem to beyond the 6/1 W/T ratio.



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September 22nd, 2007, 3:18 am #49

Dude! Those are good points! They may not be perfect but ask yourself..what is a perfect point? Obviously abo's had their perfect points but look at how many points aren't perfect. What is important is that you are trying and the more you try the more you will learn.
I am a self taught knapper, started knapping about a year and a half ago, done my share of cursing when I went through 100lbs of stone and made only a few points. But I never gave up. I would look at my previous works and try to do better...sometimes I did and sometimes I didn't. Now I am pretty confident when I knap...still a little shaky on the precussion but love to pressure flake. Love novaculite, tv glass, glossy burlington, obsidian, buffalo river to name afew types of stone.
If you can find a tv or two it will yield plenty of 1/2inch thick glass to learn pressure flaking. I have learned through experience to slowly increase pressure to the platform for as long as 15 to 30 seconds before I pop the flake off and 9 out of 10 times I will have about 3inches of glass lying on the leather. Techniques will come over time when you breach an obstacle but always try to out-do what you did before and you will find yourself going back to those first points to refine them - now that you know something that works for you.
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September 25th, 2007, 4:18 pm #50

I'm going to try it this way, thanks for the tip.Dustin
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October 19th, 2007, 2:47 am #51

Wow! That's great advice. Thanks. I can see it being less discouraging that way.
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February 25th, 2008, 1:28 am #52

www.whitecrowtradingpost.info

go here and click on the slabs gallery...

most all that you see there IS available for purchase...
you want heat treated materials..... custom sizes...

call and talk about it.... let us get you the rock you want to create those beautiful points...
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February 25th, 2008, 9:59 pm #53

I love obsidian , especialy spalling it out, but It can teach you many bad habits and you will realize these habits when you pick up another rock that isnt glass- just a note for beginners mix it up- unless you haveaccess to 1000's of pounds of obsidian, then forget what i said and send me a big box
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April 14th, 2008, 11:09 pm #54

no offence but that is total garbage,what bad habits will it teach you? HMMMM will it teach you good support habits? yes will it teach you how to construct good platforms and prepare them correctly?? YES....you can learn on obsidian and then knap any other material with what you learn but the reverse is alot harder bacause all you learned on the tougher materials is how to hit harder... as they are much more forgiving and allow alot of your mistakes to pass with out breakage!
We have learned that though there are many papers in Washington upon which are written promises to pay us for our lands,no white man seems to remember them.

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April 15th, 2008, 2:30 am #55

Hi Mike , Good to hear from you. How is it going in S. Idaho? Eric in Sandpoint
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July 29th, 2008, 4:22 am #56

Hello. I am very new to this, actually i haven't done anything like this before. heheh~ However, i am willing to learn, but i need to find a the materials and tools so i can do it... I was wondering if anyone coukld help me find any places down on Fort Worth, Texas so i don't spend all my time and money paying S&H on Ebay for everything.
I am twenty-one, and autistic, so sorry if i seem offensive.
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November 2nd, 2008, 7:48 pm #57

Haven't looked here for a while. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. Still making progress - not as quickly as I'd like, but I guess that's all part of it!



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November 4th, 2008, 4:01 am #58

hey Jeff, you beat all that coral up yet?
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November 6th, 2008, 5:00 am #59

Some of it. It's a real dilema; that coral is so nice to work, but it looks so good most of it still goes in my "For when I get better pile". I have an 8" piece that I knocked thet cortex off that is several shades of green and tan and feels like glass. I can't do it justice yet, so I took it to work and put it on my desk. Everyone who comes in picks it up (only 1 cut so far) and talks about it. My kids and I tumble the flakes and pieces. That stuff is the best!
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November 27th, 2008, 9:15 pm #60

Hi, I'm new here but I'm goin to try to make me some stone heads. Need all the tutoring I can get. Looking forward to some hard work!
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