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March 21st, 2006, 2:09 pm #21

ICm, as I mentioned somewhere on here a lot of the materials that have been generously sent to me is flakes (mostly Obsidian and of small to medium size with a few larger). Do you also suggest the preform plan on that type material too or just leave it 'til later (smarter, better, etc, )? I wanted to finish a couple I had already started working on (before this thread) and now I have a little medical proceedure I must deal with today and tomorrow (preventive check) and then I am gonna start preform-ing some rock, Good Lord willing, and the crik don't rise!Bernie - "Hunters Are People Too"
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March 21st, 2006, 4:42 pm #22

i guess what i am suggesting is that really IMO you should start with percussion and not do anything else till you have a very firm grasp of percussion....then learning pressure will be a ton easier,also learning the correct form to pressure flake with is so important that it must be formost in your mind ,a bad habit is twice as hard to unlearn as a good habit is to learn...but i understand that some people don't want to learn percussion and that is ok but remember you have to get your material from somewhere mioght as well make it yourself from raw rock.. food for thought in the end each person must choose his own path ..good luck.If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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March 21st, 2006, 8:07 pm #23

Well, I definitely enjoy the Percussion part of knapping also (and sometimes have a little better luck with it). Thanks, and we'll see how she goes. It'll be fun in any case.Bernie - "Hunters Are People Too"
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March 22nd, 2006, 5:26 pm #24

I learned a bit of pressure flaking several years ago, but didn't do too much with it. I have again started knapping and found a few people to knap with. I have just began to do percussion and realized that I need to break a bit of rock before I get proficient.

I think that by following your steps, I will be able to increase skills and save a lot of rock from the gravle pile, where most of my percussion rock ends up.

I think it also a good way to get rock back home. I have about 1 1/2 years left in TX and then home to AZ/UT. Sound like that might be about the right amount of time to get much of this percussion down and have a bucket or 3 of bifaces to take home and work. (will sure save on space and weight....as I do want to take a bunch of TX rock home with me.)

thanks for the informative post
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March 26th, 2006, 8:24 pm #25

Yes,yes,yes.I didn't read this post before making my first post.I absolutely agree.I have a bowl full of preforms in differnt stages that I've been working on.I'm out of material now but there's 2 weeks work in a 2 qt. bowl.I'm not touching them til I have a bunch more.I must be different than everyone else new to knapping.Pressure flaking comes natural for me.Haven't even tried parallel flaking all thr way across the face yet but with time....Thinning is a struggle sometimes but I'm practicing every day.My BIG problem is percussing cores and getting long flakes.If only I could read the stone a little better.........
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March 26th, 2006, 8:32 pm #26

just remember if your flakes are not going over the half way point on your preform you are not thinning you are just getting norrower...they do not have to go all the way accross just past the middle....after a ton of rock you will read it better .. remember on your cores to grind the edge very well to get the most power and do not be afraid to hit it the angle will dictate the flatness of the flake just experiment till you get what you are after..If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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March 29th, 2006, 10:25 pm #27

Thanks, now I have to order some more slabs. ET
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April 17th, 2006, 7:53 pm #28

I am starting from absolute zero . I,m going to find some jihnstone and I have a few pieces of antler I can work with . Its tough starting out when I want to read up on it a bit first and don,t know what to read . I do think your method is valid it is just a bit too methodic for me . I need to work hard at something for a while and then go on to other steps . Then I can return to the original project . Is there a tutorial by someone on here that will accomodate me ?
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April 17th, 2006, 8:01 pm #29

maybe if you could explain better what you want to do ,i do not understand to methodic..to knapp anything you must follow the correct steps to get there like you can not notch first then thin the base etc...so give me a bit more info on what it is you want to do.. If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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April 17th, 2006, 10:06 pm #30

Iwould like to make some small spear heads about 300 grains .
I,m proabably going to be using johnstone . I,ll practice doing percussions as suggested but not to such an extent . If my first few heads are not perfect I can use them for practice throwing . They will save my good ones given to me by friends .
Thanks in advance for your help .
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April 17th, 2006, 10:42 pm #31

well unless you are just a natural and don't need any practice like the rest of us LOL you will need alot of toliets to make spear poits i can tell you that for sure...reading a book ain't gonna cut it either will watching videos..you got to pay your dues with rock accross your lap..or in this case toliets... i wiould suggest finding thicker glass it works tons better...If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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April 18th, 2006, 8:04 pm #32

As a genuine flintknapping newbie, I will take this advice. I am setting aside 300# of basalt for my learning pile. I got a bunch of buckets.
We'll see how I do.
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April 19th, 2006, 12:25 am #33

By thicker glass what do you mean ? Do you mean volcanic glass or just window glass? I see someone is using beer bottles to make points . I also read its hard not to cut yourself .
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April 19th, 2006, 7:12 pm #34

any kind of glass tv glass window glass old storefront glass just look for think glass leave the toliets to roto rooter.. If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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April 20th, 2006, 1:28 pm #35

After reading this forum for a couple of weeks now i am seeing a lot of new knappers taking on material that to be truthful leads to fustration.....knapping can and is fun BUT when you are beginning it can be very very humbling help your self knapp glass,Obsidian,something that is as pure in silica as you can get..The reason, you will never learn the correct mechanics when the material you Knapp is full of inclusions,fossils,or other impurities save that material for when you are a better knapper then you will not waste very much of it .....Glass and obsidian is like having a personnel teacher when you make a mistake it tells you when you do good it tells you ....hit it high you have two pieces,make a bad hit you see a good flake both of these things help get you through the rough times when you start....Platform Preparation, say that 1000 times write it on your lap pad....If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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April 21st, 2006, 12:44 pm #36

I am going to take your advice and look around for some better material . I realise how much I have to learn when You tell me to knap ordinairy glass and it will be easier than johnstone . Can you actually knap down thick window glass to make a thinner head ? I sure have a long way to go .
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April 21st, 2006, 1:01 pm #37

glass is no different than obsidian it is just purer you can knapp it just like anything else do a google on the pc for slag glass or glass slabs...If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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May 5th, 2006, 12:58 am #38

I have been sort of inactive for a while what with the Knapp-in and all of the surgerys on the Knees ( that is what hauling around the big buckets of rock will get you) I have given lessons to a large # of beginners that mostly start out in my classes with copper tools. I have found that the learning curve is much Quicker with copper and that once they have gained some skill with copper that it is very simple to change over to horn and hammer stoneor any other tool of choice. But now comes the point thet I started out to make Time and time again I have heard folks say well I am just a beginner so any old junk rock will work for me WRONG ANSWER if they have that as an excuse they learn to use that as a crutch to explain all of their failures. No I am not asking them to use fancy jaspers or anyof the high doller rock but I tell them to use the best heat treated rock that they can afford and then if they have a failure it wont be on the rock it is the individual and I have found that if they will piece the failures back together and learn what caused each failure they will progress much quicker that I did. enough ranting for one evening Bill and Happy Knapping
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May 6th, 2006, 12:42 am #39

very good point Bill how you been ?? see ya soon...If God did Not want us to eat animals why did he make them out of meat?
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July 27th, 2006, 6:55 pm #40

Preform, preform, and then preform some more! Good advice ICM, once someone learns to create preforms, they can then start making making points, the rest is easy.

Love that Paiute Agate, got a couple of pieces from Leroy Jines once, sure made a pretty Clovis replica, percussions, pressure flakes and flutes well.

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