Two gods that failed.

Two gods that failed.

Viktor Coldvein
Viktor Coldvein

April 30th, 2011, 2:05 am #1

Im a science major in biochemistry but I also have little understanding in socio-economics and politics from elective classes I took back when I was studying. These paragraphs below came out from my scribbled lecture notes and internet surfing. I just want to shed some light on two of the most significant aspects of this nation that was, is and will slow down this nation to become fully developed. Two countries that I like to compare Papua New Guinea (PNG) to are United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Australia. Common themes: PNG and UAE took independence at almost the same time PNG-1975 and UAE-1971 plus both nations are multicultural nations.
PNG and Australia have democratic form of government and are members of the Commonwealth. But why is that UAE and Australia are way up there on the most economically stabilized nations?

1. Multiculturalism (MCult), Divided We Stand, Together We Fall.

PNG is very terrifyingly diverse in culture. It is like 800 tiny nations clustered into one big nation. For years other developed nations such as the United States, Australia, Canada, Germany, United Kingdoms, and so on, fought so hard against encouraging Multiculturalism (MCult) to cripple their one unique culture. They knew that if they allow MCult into their country, the nation will be divided and hence collapse. It is however an unfortunate disaster for PNG. Culture is of course a unique form of identity but for so many different cultures to merge in harmony is a challenge that is so hard to master hence MCult especially in a young developing nation such as PNG will never get you anyway in terms of the country's political and economical standings. Right, let me break it down.

-MCult undermines national unity, hindered social integration and leads to the fragmentation of the society into several ethnic fractions.
-MCult causes friction in society and divides people although they need to unite to fight for social justice
-The more diverse a culture is, the greater the loss of trust in the government and religion
-MCult poses a threat to social and national cohesion or unity.
-MCult is morally, intellectually and economically a sham!
-Homogeneous societies invest more in public goods indicating a higher level of unselfishness. Homogeneous societies correlate more with the government’s share of gross domestic products as well as the average wealth of a citizen. On the other hand, MCult societies are less charitable/sharing and less able to corporate to develop public infrastructures hence they spend a smaller portion of their budget and less per capita on public services than homogeneous societies
Diversified cultural societies and ethnicity is unnecessarily causing division and threatened unity in a nation. MCult societies have failed and that the human cost of the failure have been high. (Note: for examples of Multiculturalism and it’s massive effect on Exploitation of Resources, see my thread under the title ‘Multiculturalism-a god that failed in response to Susan’s thread ‘PNG’s Real Resource Curse’ in this forum).

2. Democracy- Two Wolves and a Lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Democracy is economically inefficient, politically idealistic or morally corrupt.
Economic Critisms
-Voters are highly uninformed about many political issues especially relating to economics and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgable
-Democracy is too responsive to the desires of a large middle class increasingly willing to disregard the muted voice of the economically marginized groups within it’s own borders and the democratic majority’s will may not be in the best interest of all citizens within the country or beneficial to the future of the country.
Social Critism
-Lack of political education in which voters may not be educated enough to exercise their democratic rights. A population with low intellect may not be capable of making beneficial decisions hence politicians take advantage and compete more in tactic and political manipulation than in ideology.
-Government policies may be influenced by non-specialist opinions (majority speaks) and thereby the effectiveness compromised esp if a policy is of a more technical approach and/or the general public inadequately informed.
-Political Instability as governments are frequently elected on and off (Votes of no confidence) hence there tend to be frequent changes in policies both domestically and internationally affecting investment and so hinder economic growth. Democracy is undesirable for a developing nation in which economic growth and the reduction of poverty are top priorities.
-Oppression of the majority: when the majority speaks, there ain’t no freedom to the subdued minority. A majority bullying a minority is just as bad as a dictator, communist or otherwise doing so.
Philosophical Critism
-In democracy, people take over, electing someone who plays on their wishes, by throwing lavish festivals etc. Democracy results in the people's distrust and disrespect of governments or religious sanctity and this causes teenage crimes, vandalism, hooliganism and low education attainment. This is what’s happening right now as I write.
It is argued by Islamists that moral decay occurs when there is no longer a respectable leader who sets high moral standards and when a politically free environment creates excessive individuality. This is the reason why United Arab Emirates dropped democracy for republic and they still have monarchy form of government. This is the reason they sky rocketed in just the same length of time as us, infact shorter than PNG.
-Democratic institutions work on consensus to decide an issue, which usually takes longer than a unilateral decision.
-Democracy only appeals to short term interests of the voters
- Another form is commonly called Pork barrel where local areas or political sectors are given special benefits but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.

Now how did UAE became so economically and politically stabilized in just the same short period of time since independence? They compromised their diverse cultures and ethnicity and they unite. Seven emirates consisting of different ethnicity and cultures said well we want our nation to be strong so they came together to unify into one of the most strongest and richest nations in the world the United Arab Emirates. They have a republic form of government. By the way, being a peer of PNG but very poor in natural resources and diverse in culture, it is a disgrace to see UAE being ranked third in GDP by the world bank and PNG right down there in the bottom ten.
And Australia, well Oz is a democratic nation but how did they go up there, they simply said no to MCult because they knew better.
I say PNG should compromise Mcult and adapt a Republic form of government.
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Manguini-nambis
Manguini-nambis

April 30th, 2011, 9:30 am #2

Vicktor,
A very interesting analysis of nation building based on intelligent observations.

I am not about to argue with your analysis, rather to add more “confusion into the quagmire” so to speak.

The human being’s endeavors toward the perfect society is probably the ultimate pursuit, if we begin with the attempts by those such as the Greeks per recorded history, and then the religious movements

Looking at the bikpla piksa, humanity is MCult.. And like you argue, that is probably the bane of order in governance.

Recent evidences make the whole pursuit even more challenging! Take the nation/sate of Israel which is trying to be Mono-cultural with its history, demographics and its geography. And then look at the Balkans!. Then look at the current world super power the USA!... all with their gutplas and their noguts.

Somehow, I feel that mipla lo PNG igat sans lo kamap gutpal yet! Blong wanem, yumi MCult, but yumi ken learn from those above and the west (and their trials and mistakes.

Maybe we (PNG) are the ones to get it right and teach the world?! Yupla yet skelim!

Key: Mi ting em education. Of course we have the resources which many people are beginning to conclude are a curse, however why are these resources not blessings? Olsem na mi ting olsem the onus is up to us (PNG sumatins). Decent and appropriate education in stewardship is essential. That should be the primary focus of the government of the day so that mipla ol sumatin ken be the managers and executers of these resources for the common good!

I admit all that sounds cliquese…but I think that’s the solution!

Liklik half cents blo mi
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Chris
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May 1st, 2011, 9:39 pm #3

Im a science major in biochemistry but I also have little understanding in socio-economics and politics from elective classes I took back when I was studying. These paragraphs below came out from my scribbled lecture notes and internet surfing. I just want to shed some light on two of the most significant aspects of this nation that was, is and will slow down this nation to become fully developed. Two countries that I like to compare Papua New Guinea (PNG) to are United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Australia. Common themes: PNG and UAE took independence at almost the same time PNG-1975 and UAE-1971 plus both nations are multicultural nations.
PNG and Australia have democratic form of government and are members of the Commonwealth. But why is that UAE and Australia are way up there on the most economically stabilized nations?

1. Multiculturalism (MCult), Divided We Stand, Together We Fall.

PNG is very terrifyingly diverse in culture. It is like 800 tiny nations clustered into one big nation. For years other developed nations such as the United States, Australia, Canada, Germany, United Kingdoms, and so on, fought so hard against encouraging Multiculturalism (MCult) to cripple their one unique culture. They knew that if they allow MCult into their country, the nation will be divided and hence collapse. It is however an unfortunate disaster for PNG. Culture is of course a unique form of identity but for so many different cultures to merge in harmony is a challenge that is so hard to master hence MCult especially in a young developing nation such as PNG will never get you anyway in terms of the country's political and economical standings. Right, let me break it down.

-MCult undermines national unity, hindered social integration and leads to the fragmentation of the society into several ethnic fractions.
-MCult causes friction in society and divides people although they need to unite to fight for social justice
-The more diverse a culture is, the greater the loss of trust in the government and religion
-MCult poses a threat to social and national cohesion or unity.
-MCult is morally, intellectually and economically a sham!
-Homogeneous societies invest more in public goods indicating a higher level of unselfishness. Homogeneous societies correlate more with the government’s share of gross domestic products as well as the average wealth of a citizen. On the other hand, MCult societies are less charitable/sharing and less able to corporate to develop public infrastructures hence they spend a smaller portion of their budget and less per capita on public services than homogeneous societies
Diversified cultural societies and ethnicity is unnecessarily causing division and threatened unity in a nation. MCult societies have failed and that the human cost of the failure have been high. (Note: for examples of Multiculturalism and it’s massive effect on Exploitation of Resources, see my thread under the title ‘Multiculturalism-a god that failed in response to Susan’s thread ‘PNG’s Real Resource Curse’ in this forum).

2. Democracy- Two Wolves and a Lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Democracy is economically inefficient, politically idealistic or morally corrupt.
Economic Critisms
-Voters are highly uninformed about many political issues especially relating to economics and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgable
-Democracy is too responsive to the desires of a large middle class increasingly willing to disregard the muted voice of the economically marginized groups within it’s own borders and the democratic majority’s will may not be in the best interest of all citizens within the country or beneficial to the future of the country.
Social Critism
-Lack of political education in which voters may not be educated enough to exercise their democratic rights. A population with low intellect may not be capable of making beneficial decisions hence politicians take advantage and compete more in tactic and political manipulation than in ideology.
-Government policies may be influenced by non-specialist opinions (majority speaks) and thereby the effectiveness compromised esp if a policy is of a more technical approach and/or the general public inadequately informed.
-Political Instability as governments are frequently elected on and off (Votes of no confidence) hence there tend to be frequent changes in policies both domestically and internationally affecting investment and so hinder economic growth. Democracy is undesirable for a developing nation in which economic growth and the reduction of poverty are top priorities.
-Oppression of the majority: when the majority speaks, there ain’t no freedom to the subdued minority. A majority bullying a minority is just as bad as a dictator, communist or otherwise doing so.
Philosophical Critism
-In democracy, people take over, electing someone who plays on their wishes, by throwing lavish festivals etc. Democracy results in the people's distrust and disrespect of governments or religious sanctity and this causes teenage crimes, vandalism, hooliganism and low education attainment. This is what’s happening right now as I write.
It is argued by Islamists that moral decay occurs when there is no longer a respectable leader who sets high moral standards and when a politically free environment creates excessive individuality. This is the reason why United Arab Emirates dropped democracy for republic and they still have monarchy form of government. This is the reason they sky rocketed in just the same length of time as us, infact shorter than PNG.
-Democratic institutions work on consensus to decide an issue, which usually takes longer than a unilateral decision.
-Democracy only appeals to short term interests of the voters
- Another form is commonly called Pork barrel where local areas or political sectors are given special benefits but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.

Now how did UAE became so economically and politically stabilized in just the same short period of time since independence? They compromised their diverse cultures and ethnicity and they unite. Seven emirates consisting of different ethnicity and cultures said well we want our nation to be strong so they came together to unify into one of the most strongest and richest nations in the world the United Arab Emirates. They have a republic form of government. By the way, being a peer of PNG but very poor in natural resources and diverse in culture, it is a disgrace to see UAE being ranked third in GDP by the world bank and PNG right down there in the bottom ten.
And Australia, well Oz is a democratic nation but how did they go up there, they simply said no to MCult because they knew better.
I say PNG should compromise Mcult and adapt a Republic form of government.
True indeed. I think one way of breaking down this cultural thing is encouraging intermarriage. At the moment, we are not yet one nation. Probably, 50-100 years down the line, when our children/grandchildren cannot say whether they are from Goroka or Morobe, only then we can claim to be PNGeans.
At the moment, we still are divided along ethnic lines distrust people from other ethnic groups.
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zone attack
zone attack

May 2nd, 2011, 12:58 pm #4

Im a science major in biochemistry but I also have little understanding in socio-economics and politics from elective classes I took back when I was studying. These paragraphs below came out from my scribbled lecture notes and internet surfing. I just want to shed some light on two of the most significant aspects of this nation that was, is and will slow down this nation to become fully developed. Two countries that I like to compare Papua New Guinea (PNG) to are United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Australia. Common themes: PNG and UAE took independence at almost the same time PNG-1975 and UAE-1971 plus both nations are multicultural nations.
PNG and Australia have democratic form of government and are members of the Commonwealth. But why is that UAE and Australia are way up there on the most economically stabilized nations?

1. Multiculturalism (MCult), Divided We Stand, Together We Fall.

PNG is very terrifyingly diverse in culture. It is like 800 tiny nations clustered into one big nation. For years other developed nations such as the United States, Australia, Canada, Germany, United Kingdoms, and so on, fought so hard against encouraging Multiculturalism (MCult) to cripple their one unique culture. They knew that if they allow MCult into their country, the nation will be divided and hence collapse. It is however an unfortunate disaster for PNG. Culture is of course a unique form of identity but for so many different cultures to merge in harmony is a challenge that is so hard to master hence MCult especially in a young developing nation such as PNG will never get you anyway in terms of the country's political and economical standings. Right, let me break it down.

-MCult undermines national unity, hindered social integration and leads to the fragmentation of the society into several ethnic fractions.
-MCult causes friction in society and divides people although they need to unite to fight for social justice
-The more diverse a culture is, the greater the loss of trust in the government and religion
-MCult poses a threat to social and national cohesion or unity.
-MCult is morally, intellectually and economically a sham!
-Homogeneous societies invest more in public goods indicating a higher level of unselfishness. Homogeneous societies correlate more with the government’s share of gross domestic products as well as the average wealth of a citizen. On the other hand, MCult societies are less charitable/sharing and less able to corporate to develop public infrastructures hence they spend a smaller portion of their budget and less per capita on public services than homogeneous societies
Diversified cultural societies and ethnicity is unnecessarily causing division and threatened unity in a nation. MCult societies have failed and that the human cost of the failure have been high. (Note: for examples of Multiculturalism and it’s massive effect on Exploitation of Resources, see my thread under the title ‘Multiculturalism-a god that failed in response to Susan’s thread ‘PNG’s Real Resource Curse’ in this forum).

2. Democracy- Two Wolves and a Lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Democracy is economically inefficient, politically idealistic or morally corrupt.
Economic Critisms
-Voters are highly uninformed about many political issues especially relating to economics and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgable
-Democracy is too responsive to the desires of a large middle class increasingly willing to disregard the muted voice of the economically marginized groups within it’s own borders and the democratic majority’s will may not be in the best interest of all citizens within the country or beneficial to the future of the country.
Social Critism
-Lack of political education in which voters may not be educated enough to exercise their democratic rights. A population with low intellect may not be capable of making beneficial decisions hence politicians take advantage and compete more in tactic and political manipulation than in ideology.
-Government policies may be influenced by non-specialist opinions (majority speaks) and thereby the effectiveness compromised esp if a policy is of a more technical approach and/or the general public inadequately informed.
-Political Instability as governments are frequently elected on and off (Votes of no confidence) hence there tend to be frequent changes in policies both domestically and internationally affecting investment and so hinder economic growth. Democracy is undesirable for a developing nation in which economic growth and the reduction of poverty are top priorities.
-Oppression of the majority: when the majority speaks, there ain’t no freedom to the subdued minority. A majority bullying a minority is just as bad as a dictator, communist or otherwise doing so.
Philosophical Critism
-In democracy, people take over, electing someone who plays on their wishes, by throwing lavish festivals etc. Democracy results in the people's distrust and disrespect of governments or religious sanctity and this causes teenage crimes, vandalism, hooliganism and low education attainment. This is what’s happening right now as I write.
It is argued by Islamists that moral decay occurs when there is no longer a respectable leader who sets high moral standards and when a politically free environment creates excessive individuality. This is the reason why United Arab Emirates dropped democracy for republic and they still have monarchy form of government. This is the reason they sky rocketed in just the same length of time as us, infact shorter than PNG.
-Democratic institutions work on consensus to decide an issue, which usually takes longer than a unilateral decision.
-Democracy only appeals to short term interests of the voters
- Another form is commonly called Pork barrel where local areas or political sectors are given special benefits but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.

Now how did UAE became so economically and politically stabilized in just the same short period of time since independence? They compromised their diverse cultures and ethnicity and they unite. Seven emirates consisting of different ethnicity and cultures said well we want our nation to be strong so they came together to unify into one of the most strongest and richest nations in the world the United Arab Emirates. They have a republic form of government. By the way, being a peer of PNG but very poor in natural resources and diverse in culture, it is a disgrace to see UAE being ranked third in GDP by the world bank and PNG right down there in the bottom ten.
And Australia, well Oz is a democratic nation but how did they go up there, they simply said no to MCult because they knew better.
I say PNG should compromise Mcult and adapt a Republic form of government.
Dubai is a complete economic mess right now. The UAE is a group of countries, not just one. There are cracks appearing in their dictatorships as we write.

You have oversimplified the reality of the UAE.
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observor
observor

May 2nd, 2011, 1:09 pm #5

Sometimes economic success appears to come through autocratic role. It will always crack as better economics bring better education and a thirst for freedom and political liberty. UAE is a great example of this.
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Viktor
Viktor

May 5th, 2011, 5:03 am #6

Since UAE is located in oil rich Gulf, there is a common misunderstanding that most of the successes of Dubai was due to the oil. The real fact is that oil just comprised less than 7% of total revenue in the state. Most of the revenue came from real estate, various investments (ports, airlines and stocks). UAE is federally ruled i.e each state has it's own shiekh or ruler who has autonomy over the state. My friend UAE is a proud country made up of seven emirates with Abu Dhabi as the capital city. The UAE has an open economy with one of the highest per capita incomes in the world and a sizable annual trade surplus. In 2009, its GDP, as measured by purchasing power parity, stood at US$400.4 billion. The GDP per capita is currently the third in the world and second in the Middle East, after Qatar as measured by the CIA World Factbook, or the 17th in the world as measured by the International Monetary Fund and 6th on the World Bank.

I understand that there are autocratic roles as well as speculations flaring the super rapid growth of the nation but it's a classic example of a young developing nation making it's earth-shattering stand in the modern world. It's a nation growing more stronger and richer by the moment despite their national debt, multiculturalism and speculated revenues. Dubai is up on the richest cities in the world and trust me, it was never in a mess and it will never fall, infact in the next 5-10 years Dubai may become the most richest city in the world as calculated above.

Im starting to wonder if our government has seen a pattern in the growth of her peer nation. UAE has oil and oil alone in the first place but made something out of that. We have more than that, we have oil, we have gas, we have land and underwater mines of gold copper silver, we have minerals, we have loggings and forests and tourism sites and fishery and the list goes on. My god, what have all these riches got to show today? Olsem mi tok tasol, stap lo het blo yupla wanwan.
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PNG Futurist
PNG Futurist

May 10th, 2011, 7:55 am #7

Im a science major in biochemistry but I also have little understanding in socio-economics and politics from elective classes I took back when I was studying. These paragraphs below came out from my scribbled lecture notes and internet surfing. I just want to shed some light on two of the most significant aspects of this nation that was, is and will slow down this nation to become fully developed. Two countries that I like to compare Papua New Guinea (PNG) to are United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Australia. Common themes: PNG and UAE took independence at almost the same time PNG-1975 and UAE-1971 plus both nations are multicultural nations.
PNG and Australia have democratic form of government and are members of the Commonwealth. But why is that UAE and Australia are way up there on the most economically stabilized nations?

1. Multiculturalism (MCult), Divided We Stand, Together We Fall.

PNG is very terrifyingly diverse in culture. It is like 800 tiny nations clustered into one big nation. For years other developed nations such as the United States, Australia, Canada, Germany, United Kingdoms, and so on, fought so hard against encouraging Multiculturalism (MCult) to cripple their one unique culture. They knew that if they allow MCult into their country, the nation will be divided and hence collapse. It is however an unfortunate disaster for PNG. Culture is of course a unique form of identity but for so many different cultures to merge in harmony is a challenge that is so hard to master hence MCult especially in a young developing nation such as PNG will never get you anyway in terms of the country's political and economical standings. Right, let me break it down.

-MCult undermines national unity, hindered social integration and leads to the fragmentation of the society into several ethnic fractions.
-MCult causes friction in society and divides people although they need to unite to fight for social justice
-The more diverse a culture is, the greater the loss of trust in the government and religion
-MCult poses a threat to social and national cohesion or unity.
-MCult is morally, intellectually and economically a sham!
-Homogeneous societies invest more in public goods indicating a higher level of unselfishness. Homogeneous societies correlate more with the government’s share of gross domestic products as well as the average wealth of a citizen. On the other hand, MCult societies are less charitable/sharing and less able to corporate to develop public infrastructures hence they spend a smaller portion of their budget and less per capita on public services than homogeneous societies
Diversified cultural societies and ethnicity is unnecessarily causing division and threatened unity in a nation. MCult societies have failed and that the human cost of the failure have been high. (Note: for examples of Multiculturalism and it’s massive effect on Exploitation of Resources, see my thread under the title ‘Multiculturalism-a god that failed in response to Susan’s thread ‘PNG’s Real Resource Curse’ in this forum).

2. Democracy- Two Wolves and a Lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Democracy is economically inefficient, politically idealistic or morally corrupt.
Economic Critisms
-Voters are highly uninformed about many political issues especially relating to economics and have a strong bias about the few issues on which they are fairly knowledgable
-Democracy is too responsive to the desires of a large middle class increasingly willing to disregard the muted voice of the economically marginized groups within it’s own borders and the democratic majority’s will may not be in the best interest of all citizens within the country or beneficial to the future of the country.
Social Critism
-Lack of political education in which voters may not be educated enough to exercise their democratic rights. A population with low intellect may not be capable of making beneficial decisions hence politicians take advantage and compete more in tactic and political manipulation than in ideology.
-Government policies may be influenced by non-specialist opinions (majority speaks) and thereby the effectiveness compromised esp if a policy is of a more technical approach and/or the general public inadequately informed.
-Political Instability as governments are frequently elected on and off (Votes of no confidence) hence there tend to be frequent changes in policies both domestically and internationally affecting investment and so hinder economic growth. Democracy is undesirable for a developing nation in which economic growth and the reduction of poverty are top priorities.
-Oppression of the majority: when the majority speaks, there ain’t no freedom to the subdued minority. A majority bullying a minority is just as bad as a dictator, communist or otherwise doing so.
Philosophical Critism
-In democracy, people take over, electing someone who plays on their wishes, by throwing lavish festivals etc. Democracy results in the people's distrust and disrespect of governments or religious sanctity and this causes teenage crimes, vandalism, hooliganism and low education attainment. This is what’s happening right now as I write.
It is argued by Islamists that moral decay occurs when there is no longer a respectable leader who sets high moral standards and when a politically free environment creates excessive individuality. This is the reason why United Arab Emirates dropped democracy for republic and they still have monarchy form of government. This is the reason they sky rocketed in just the same length of time as us, infact shorter than PNG.
-Democratic institutions work on consensus to decide an issue, which usually takes longer than a unilateral decision.
-Democracy only appeals to short term interests of the voters
- Another form is commonly called Pork barrel where local areas or political sectors are given special benefits but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.

Now how did UAE became so economically and politically stabilized in just the same short period of time since independence? They compromised their diverse cultures and ethnicity and they unite. Seven emirates consisting of different ethnicity and cultures said well we want our nation to be strong so they came together to unify into one of the most strongest and richest nations in the world the United Arab Emirates. They have a republic form of government. By the way, being a peer of PNG but very poor in natural resources and diverse in culture, it is a disgrace to see UAE being ranked third in GDP by the world bank and PNG right down there in the bottom ten.
And Australia, well Oz is a democratic nation but how did they go up there, they simply said no to MCult because they knew better.
I say PNG should compromise Mcult and adapt a Republic form of government.
I agree with your points especially on Multiculturalism.

The great example of multiculturalism is the United States when they opened their borders to take in people from Europe - especially during the great Potatoe Blight when there was massive starvation across Europe(Ireland).

The key for the US was that they put the American way ahead of the individual cultures. Thus New York was known as the melting pot where the American spirit was forged and people then travelled West to build a nation.

The lesson for PNG is that our individual cultures will need to be subjegated under the PNG national identity. We need to create a national identity that reflects what we as a nation want to be in the future - key themes should come through like strength, self dependence, fairness, bravery. Our symbols should reflect these themes. It should give our people something greater to aspire to.

We still do not know who we are as a nation. We are represented by the Bird of Paradise - where is the strength. Look at the strong nations - US(Eagle), Great Britain(Lion) Russia (Bear) China(Dragon). The colour red on the flag was inspired by the red from chewing bettlenut.

We will become a nation once we know who we are.....















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Cultism
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May 10th, 2011, 11:34 pm #8

We will never know who we are as a nation until we have to fight to the death to defend our independence as occurred with the countries you have mentioned. This is so often what happens - we look at only one part of the equation and think we've found the answer when actually the answer is something else again.

Multiculturalism only worked after the USA, Australia, etc FIRST exterminated the multi-culturalism of land ownership. Until you do that, you can't follow their model. Which means that our PNG government needs to exterminate customary landownership and rights and make all the land available for the multi cultures from abroad to come in and get the best stuff. They can push us over to the poor remaining land. The multi cultures arriving in PNG will, in fact, create exactly the kind of nation you see in Australia or America.

Over to you.
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deeboog
deeboog

May 11th, 2011, 3:14 am #9

I'm guessing you are not from PNG. If you are, then I suggest you come out from under that rock and look at the etnic communities in Auz and the U.S.A.

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PNG Futurist
PNG Futurist

May 11th, 2011, 7:24 am #10

We will never know who we are as a nation until we have to fight to the death to defend our independence as occurred with the countries you have mentioned. This is so often what happens - we look at only one part of the equation and think we've found the answer when actually the answer is something else again.

Multiculturalism only worked after the USA, Australia, etc FIRST exterminated the multi-culturalism of land ownership. Until you do that, you can't follow their model. Which means that our PNG government needs to exterminate customary landownership and rights and make all the land available for the multi cultures from abroad to come in and get the best stuff. They can push us over to the poor remaining land. The multi cultures arriving in PNG will, in fact, create exactly the kind of nation you see in Australia or America.

Over to you.
Multiculturalism and landownership are two separate beasts. Customary Landownership is too big to discuss here; it requires a discussion thread of it’s own.

The key point here is the detrimental effects of multiculturalism or multi tribalism here in PNG & what we can do going forward.

Multiculturalism for PNG is the tribal elements that we are more loyal to vs. national elements which then breeds the nepotism and distrust that negates nation building activities.

PNG with it’s 800 different languages and even more tribes is something that we celebrate yet, it hinders our national growth.

We need to start building a common PNG identity that all can aspire to. It will then give a mutual goal for all PNG to strive towards. To do this, we can learn from other great nations. Another example was the USSR made up of the many different ethnic groups (Asiatics, Eurasians). They all contributed to build a great superpower in less than 43 years from 1917 – 1960 with the Communist ideal as their national identity. It was in the decline of communism due to the inherent flaw of the Communist economic model that saw these different ethnic groups break away to form their own countries. .
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