Creating a better society

Creating a better society

the nationalist
the nationalist

June 28th, 2004, 6:07 am #1

People advocating self-governance or wanting to break away from Papua New Guinea should be shot.

Regionalists should be whipped and sent to prision.

Those who criticise the Government cause they just feel that they have the right to and just want to should be prosecuted.

Those who steal from the government should get a minimum of 40 years behind bars.

Those who promote immorality should be dealt with in the severest terms.

Those who ransom our countrys resouces should be shot.

Murderers and Rapists should be given the life sentence.

The flag must be once again raised in our schools.

Reciting of prayers must be mandatory in all schools.

Corporal punishment must be brought back.

Do this and we will not end up like the morally corrupt USA!

Respect and national unity must once again reign from the highlands to the island.


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Mangi Nating
Mangi Nating

June 28th, 2004, 8:10 am #2

I hesitated to respond to this post because I thought it was made in jest, but it seems you never know with posts on PNGScape. So I'm assuming you are being serious with most of what you said, except of course for the impractical suggestions such as shooting people.

I would be interested to know how a "United" PNG is superior to a Federal PNG? Think of it this way...

If during colonial times, the Europeans had decided, on a whim, that PNG, Vanuatu, and Solomon Islands were one country called NueveEuropa or some such name, and we today were convinced that NE was better left united than separated even though it was logical to give greater autonomy to the different countries (given the diversity of the peoples, administrative capabilities etc..), would such a situation make sense? Do you think NE would be properly managed from Port Moresby,(or Honiara, or Port Villa)?

The same logic can be applied with the PNG situation. We cannot properly control the rest of the country from the centre because the whole of PNG is so diverse. Attempting to do so has led to the problems we continue to run in, but just like a man who thinks he can break a brick wall if he just continues to knock his head against it, we continue to insist on preaching the virtues of unity, even though we do not know what these virtues are.

To sum it up: Federalism is a must, if someone thinks that PNG is better controlled from the centre, he must present reasons why this is so.

I like some of your ideas about morality & that.
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DeCay
DeCay

June 28th, 2004, 8:18 pm #3

People advocating self-governance or wanting to break away from Papua New Guinea should be shot.

Regionalists should be whipped and sent to prision.

Those who criticise the Government cause they just feel that they have the right to and just want to should be prosecuted.

Those who steal from the government should get a minimum of 40 years behind bars.

Those who promote immorality should be dealt with in the severest terms.

Those who ransom our countrys resouces should be shot.

Murderers and Rapists should be given the life sentence.

The flag must be once again raised in our schools.

Reciting of prayers must be mandatory in all schools.

Corporal punishment must be brought back.

Do this and we will not end up like the morally corrupt USA!

Respect and national unity must once again reign from the highlands to the island.


The nationalist






I was reading a little more on systems and the ideologies behind the different forms of governments and found that there is no true or acceptable form. The reality far defies the ideals and norms, although the tendency is to ram down people's throats what one thinks is the best for everybody. Our simple forefathers never asked for a unified government nor a unfied country; the missionaries decided that Christianity was the way, the truth and the lifeé; the British and the Aussies decided that parliament democracy was the best form of government - if not the only option left then.

I am not advocating what nationalist has expressed because to do so implies perpetuating the unequal social and economic structures that suppress our dignity and true worth as humans worthy of self-respect and pride. But I do consider myself a critical progressionist - to question that which is usually taken for granted in order to preserve that which is dear and valuable as we evolve. There are certain value systems and ideals that are far beyond our attaintmen given our present mediocre socio-political situations. My point is we do not have to find ourselves and our true worth using other people's value systems. We dont have to blame ourselves for all the negative things that befall us. The best location for discovering who we really are is to be self-aware of the unique position the forces and events of history have placed us. We have to understand who we really are and what we possess, be it to our advantage or disadvantage. After realizing our strengths and weaknesses, we look for methods to promote that which is advantageous and beneficial and suppress that which weakens our common purpose to progress.

Two of our biggest obstacles are FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN and the INSECURITY of taking that path. We cannot interact competently whether in our personal social encounters or cross-cultural ones. When we do interact competently, it is merely to fulfill our personal goals and interests. We lack the capacity to develop sustaining intelligence networks in order to overcome this fear of the unknown; and because we lack good intelligence, we are always insecure in treading upon unknown paths lest we fall and never recover.

Some of the objectives and goals expressed by The Nationalist are suggestive of our own weaknesses in dealing with our own problems. Psychologically, we are not internalizing the bigger picture of our national community; we are still insecure trying to express ourselves individually; we are still having difficulty trying to orientate our individual mindset to a common national mindset. We cannot think and act individually beyond our family and tribal boundaries. Our choice of action is limited to these two considerations. Thus we commit crimes and live immoral lives or commit other vices, comfortable with the knowledge that the family and the tribe will be safe havens.

OUr biggest task now is to look for methods or ways that will effectively create in each and everyone of us a feeling of national consciousness and a common mindset. It is only when we imagine ourselves as Papua New Guineans that that desire to put that name on the world map becomes real and with purpose. It is time to stop imagining ourselves as Hulis, Tolais, GoiPex, Oro, Sunamists or Madgauns and start imagining ourselves as PNG...

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Mangi Nating
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July 1st, 2004, 11:19 am #4

Hi Decay,

Bro, before I continue, I think I would like one day to meet you in Moresby. I have very high hopes for PNG, and I believe we will be a power in the pacific one day, and possibly in our lifetime!

But I do consider myself a critical progressionist - to question that which is usually taken for granted in order to preserve that which is dear and valuable as we evolve.

I do not know what a critical progressionist is, but I'm assuming it isn't too different from being a skeptic. I was reminded when I read this of Descarte's Principles; i.e. not to accept anything until it has been proven to be true. I think this is a good attitude to have towards the social, economic and political arrangements that we have had, or as you have said, that have been forced down our throat. It is our task to examine them critically, even our very own traditional beliefs about doing things.

The best location for discovering who we really are is to be self-aware of the unique position the forces and events of history have placed us. We have to understand who we really are and what we possess, be it to our advantage or disadvantage. After realizing our strengths and weaknesses, we look for methods to promote that which is advantageous and beneficial and suppress that which weakens our common purpose to progress.

Bro, this is a very important point. We must not judge ourselves by the standards that others use to judge us. That is just as crazy as a marathon runner judging his speed by a Sprinter's. This failure to understand who we really are is what is leading many of our people to emulate westerners and to judge their success in life based on Western notions. Now, I realize that there are some standards that are universal and we should aspire to be successful according to those standards, but there are others, which as they say, are 'culturally defined'.

We cannot think and act individually beyond our family and tribal boundaries. Our choice of action is limited to these two considerations. Thus we commit crimes and live immoral lives or commit other vices, comfortable with the knowledge that the family and the tribe will be safe havens.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that we have not developed a national mindset because of our insecurity? But, isn't modern society about expressions of individuality? I think trying to create an artificial sense of nationhood is bound to fail because it is based upon a fiction. This is similar to what you mentioned above: 'ram[ming] down people's throats what one thinks is the best for everybody.' Tribal groupings exist, (possibly because of insecurity as you said) but the fact is they exist and no matter how hard we will them to cease, they wont. So we have to work with this reality.

I think that we will enventually become a nation and lose our strong sense of affiliation to our tribes, clans etc... once we develop into a modern society. That is gradually happening now. Modern society focuses upon the individual, for better or worse, and this will be inevitable for us. But what is important for us now, in order to transform into the modern society, is to get our house in order, and given our inability to manage the whole nation, we need to manage smaller chunks; autonomous provinces (Did you see this coming?)

Autonomous provinces = Homogenous peoples = A sense of 'nationhood', which facilitates the developments of legal institutions that are prerequisites for economic growth.

I would like to go on, but I think slow-and-steady is better.

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nationalist
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July 12th, 2004, 8:51 am #5

What PNG needs is a benevolent dictator.

We cannot fully understand and appreciate democracy for it just isnt compatible with our myriad of cultures.
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DeCay
DeCay

July 16th, 2004, 8:57 pm #6

Very true, Nationalist. If worst comes to worst, a benevolent dictator is on order. What we need is human development before democracy. Let the international community think what they want to think about us, but we have our own lives to live...the international community does not know our way of life, and cannot live it. Everything good has a price, sometimes paid dearly.

It requires sacrifice and humiliation, but at the end of the day, we will discover that our path to prosperity and happiness is a unique one, not to be subsumed into the mainstream mode of thinking and living.


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July 17th, 2004, 6:27 am #7

People advocating self-governance or wanting to break away from Papua New Guinea should be shot.

Regionalists should be whipped and sent to prision.

Those who criticise the Government cause they just feel that they have the right to and just want to should be prosecuted.

Those who steal from the government should get a minimum of 40 years behind bars.

Those who promote immorality should be dealt with in the severest terms.

Those who ransom our countrys resouces should be shot.

Murderers and Rapists should be given the life sentence.

The flag must be once again raised in our schools.

Reciting of prayers must be mandatory in all schools.

Corporal punishment must be brought back.

Do this and we will not end up like the morally corrupt USA!

Respect and national unity must once again reign from the highlands to the island.


The nationalist






Very interesting....we have a form of government in the past rite ...tradition...with its own set rules that holds the very fibric of our community...but it wasnt accepted internationally by colonisers....it was view as primitive n barbaric....they gave theirs....ad sad enough we trying to find solution for the present problems we facing in their form of government...do you ppl think if we were using our traditional from of government we will solve all social..economic etc problems we facing??? and secondly...how is our traditional form of government view as? Is it Democratic...Communist....Socialist..etc...????


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July 21st, 2004, 10:47 am #8

Very true, Nationalist. If worst comes to worst, a benevolent dictator is on order. What we need is human development before democracy. Let the international community think what they want to think about us, but we have our own lives to live...the international community does not know our way of life, and cannot live it. Everything good has a price, sometimes paid dearly.

It requires sacrifice and humiliation, but at the end of the day, we will discover that our path to prosperity and happiness is a unique one, not to be subsumed into the mainstream mode of thinking and living.


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The greatest form of deocracy is found on the rugby feild as two teams struggle for a win.
Imagine a team whose captain is the 'benevolent dictator' who orders and every one does.
It will never work nor will it ever last.

In our country's short history we have seen incidents of the dictator extending his power. The Mekere governmet went against the value of collective bargaining and used the special clause in the constitution that gave the govt exclusive veto rights and torpedoed the decison by the industrial tribunal to raise wages in the earl 00's. since then there has been no wage increase though the price of evrything else is skyrocketting.


I belive in the power of the masses though the time for vision to become reality. for PNG to reach its true potential through the principles of democracy i don't belive i will see in my life time, i can only dream and act in my small way.
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