Barb A.
Barb A.

February 7th, 2018, 3:43 am #11

Just throwing in my CM experience—
I’ve had amazing progress with the electric Accupuncture.
I tried it this cycle 3 times a week for the 2 weeks of stims.
My best numbers as far as eggs responding retrieved and fertilized.
In the past I would have 3-5 retrieved- this time 7 with 6 mature. Previously 2 was max fertilized this time 4.
Also my highest E2 per follicle -triggers at 1217. Previously highest was 800 something.
Good luck!
Hi Dove,
I have tried regular acupuncture but not electric. I'm not sure there is anyone near me that does this but definitely worth looking into. Thanks for your thoughts!
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Barb A.
Barb A.

February 7th, 2018, 3:45 am #12

I like acupuncture and did it, but saw no real response except for when I did it actually during the cycle. So, if you are trying to conserve funds, I would do it during cycle and after transfer only. I found it to be quite expensive.

I can't offer much on DHEA, one of my docs said they had seen some improvement with it, but I personally found no improvement so didn't take it much.

If your estrogen is not rising appropriately by your next appointment, I would probably cancel and conserve funds for your next cycle.

I agree that sometimes you will respond poorly, sometimes better, with no rhyme or reason. Sometimes even using the exact same protocol. Unfortunately, with poor responders, it seems to be a numbers game.
Hi Houston,
I know the time/numbers game thing and the no rhyme or reason drives me crazy! It's like this constantly moving target. I always blame myself and think, should I have done something different,i.e., more supplements, less supplements, etc. So frustrating!

Thanks for your thoughts!
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Barb A.
Barb A.

February 7th, 2018, 3:48 am #13

I am sorry to hear that, What is your husband open to at this point???
He is only open to trying with our own bio material so to speak.

I am open to adoption and embryo adoption but he isn't, at this point anyway.
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Barb A.
Barb A.

February 7th, 2018, 3:49 am #14

Catching that golden egg when you're severe DOR/POF is unfortunately a waiting game. Which some of us don't have. The only thing I would recommend is HGH, but I know Dr. Check can't prescribe it for off-label purposes (something about NJ laws that prevent off-label use). There are other clinics you could try if you're done with Cooper for good, like Hanabusa (though you would be completely OOP), and CNY (which I think has a philosophy that every patient has a right to try IVF with own eggs at least once).

You could also try these other supplements, if you aren't already taking them. These are for egg quality, rather than quantity, and you need to take them for at least 3 month to see results (if any):

Pycnogenol, 100mg
Trans-resveratrol, 500mg
Melatonin, 3mg
Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer (Life Extension), 4 capsules per day
Vitamin D3, 4,000iu
CoQ10, 300mg+ (Ubiquinol is best)
Vitamin E, 200iu
Vitamin C, 500mg
Folate, up to 4,000mcg
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 600mg
Hi WoofMeowOink-
Thanks for your thoughts and the list. I haven't heard of a few so am definitely going to look into these. I appreciate your thoughts, as always!

How are things going for you? Are you back on Check's protocol?
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February 7th, 2018, 1:53 pm #15

He is only open to trying with our own bio material so to speak.

I am open to adoption and embryo adoption but he isn't, at this point anyway.
Barb
I think if he has year to ponder the reality he will come around. Adoption is about $40,000,and embryo donation is about $6,000. As they day time heals all wounds. Sounds you have come to the end of the road with IVF. Try naturally at home with no baby discussion. He will come around the corner with you on embryo donation in a year.
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February 13th, 2018, 3:20 am #16

Hi WoofMeowOink-
Thanks for your thoughts and the list. I haven't heard of a few so am definitely going to look into these. I appreciate your thoughts, as always!

How are things going for you? Are you back on Check's protocol?
Barb
Hey Barb,

I'm OK. Nothing has changed for me; no improvement, unfortunately. Had a single follicle on CD3 this cycle, but it didn't grow, and my FSH has been trending up again. So, I'm moving on to DE, with transfer hopefully this summer. My endocrinologist, who was a fellow at NIH under Dr. Lawrence Nelson (POF expert), suggests that I continue trying until my DE plans have firmed up and I'm ready for transfer. She's rooting for me, and I appreciate it, but I don't hold up much hope. Nonetheless, I'm following her advice and that's why I'm still cycling with Dr. Check.

I hope you'll have a better cycle, soon! And hope you can try another clinic, and have success.

(If anonymous is reading this, as much as I think there are good intentions behind you relentless and unsolicited advice, your words and attitude are not very convincing. Some of us who are POF come to accept the need for DE on our own, at our own pace, after too many failures and too much heartbreak. That's what happened in my case. In other words, your advice had nothing to do with my moving on to DE).

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February 16th, 2018, 7:07 am #17

Hi Barb A., I'm really sorry things haven't been going well.. It's you ladies that give me hope with your success stories. Does DH have any sperm issues? If not, and as you're producing one egg, you're seriously better off trying naturally. Someone posted a list of all the people on here that had success with their own eggs and I was shocked over 95% of them found their success naturally.. These IVF drugs are just not helping and I seriously am starting to believe are causing damage to our eggs..

In terms of supplements, the list suggested by WoodMeowOink is a good one.

I'm sorry it's such a struggle.. I may have better levels but I haven't found success either and my endo has become the sole reason so surgery again for me, as that's the gold standard for improving fertility; to remove all the endo and other parts of the peritoneum whether there's endo there or not...
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Barb A.
Barb A.

February 18th, 2018, 9:36 pm #18

Hey Barb,

I'm OK. Nothing has changed for me; no improvement, unfortunately. Had a single follicle on CD3 this cycle, but it didn't grow, and my FSH has been trending up again. So, I'm moving on to DE, with transfer hopefully this summer. My endocrinologist, who was a fellow at NIH under Dr. Lawrence Nelson (POF expert), suggests that I continue trying until my DE plans have firmed up and I'm ready for transfer. She's rooting for me, and I appreciate it, but I don't hold up much hope. Nonetheless, I'm following her advice and that's why I'm still cycling with Dr. Check.

I hope you'll have a better cycle, soon! And hope you can try another clinic, and have success.

(If anonymous is reading this, as much as I think there are good intentions behind you relentless and unsolicited advice, your words and attitude are not very convincing. Some of us who are POF come to accept the need for DE on our own, at our own pace, after too many failures and too much heartbreak. That's what happened in my case. In other words, your advice had nothing to do with my moving on to DE).
WoofMeowOink -
Wishing you baby dust no matter what road you go down!
Barb
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Barb A.
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February 18th, 2018, 9:40 pm #19

Hi Barb A., I'm really sorry things haven't been going well.. It's you ladies that give me hope with your success stories. Does DH have any sperm issues? If not, and as you're producing one egg, you're seriously better off trying naturally. Someone posted a list of all the people on here that had success with their own eggs and I was shocked over 95% of them found their success naturally.. These IVF drugs are just not helping and I seriously am starting to believe are causing damage to our eggs..

In terms of supplements, the list suggested by WoodMeowOink is a good one.

I'm sorry it's such a struggle.. I may have better levels but I haven't found success either and my endo has become the sole reason so surgery again for me, as that's the gold standard for improving fertility; to remove all the endo and other parts of the peritoneum whether there's endo there or not...
I'm tending to think I will go more on the natural side. Based on what I see, it seems that it can be as effective as anything else. I may also consider adding HRT but we'll see.

My latest results still show my estrogen as just in the 20's and my fsh elevated but a little bit lower. I'm most likely ending the cycle this week if the results don't show an uptick in the estrogen.

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February 21st, 2018, 5:30 am #20

WoofMeowOink -
Wishing you baby dust no matter what road you go down!
Barb
Thanks Barb! <3 And baby dust to you, too!
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