TFC: Audio & Readers: How do you feel about Bree?

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August 26th, 2014, 1:00 am #16

I also have to admit that I'm not a big fan of Bree. I don't think the fact that she's a head-strong/independent/modern woman should mean a lack of good manners, and swearing at your father, whether he brought you up or not, can never be justified by what century you grew up in, surely? It just makes one come across as a brat. Because of this I out and out disliked her in Drum, a member kindly said to continue reading and she'll get better...I've just finished TFC and, yeah, I still don't like her. I'm hopeful that in A Breath of Snow And Ashes she'll improve. Here's hoping; I feel bad wishing ill on Claire and Jamie's daughter :oops:
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August 26th, 2014, 9:30 pm #17

bookworm wrote:I like Bree, but she is young and headstrong and doesn't have the life experience that her parents have. I started the audiobook for this book, and I had to stop it because I cannot stand the way Davina Porter narrates. Sorry, but she distracts me from the story with her tone, and talks too fast and too cheerful when she shouldn't be. I also don't want to hear her reading the sex scenes because she just ruins it. It's like listening to your mother reading it aloud to you. Uncomfortable!
I'm with you Bookworm, in that I can't listen to Davina Porter at all - I loathe her interpretation of Claire especially. I thought I was the only one as everyone else raves! It's so sad as I love audio books. Thankfully I think the tv show is doing a great job with the characerisations, despite my inital concerns.
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February 1st, 2018, 7:31 pm #18

Bree is not my cup of tea.  She seems to combine the worst of her parents - Claire's busybody arrogance without thinking things through and though I have a harder time thinking of negatives in Jamie, his stubborn sense of righteousness, inability to let go.

And the wear and tear this Amazon puts on poor Roger!  Not knowing him well enough to guess he'd follow her through the stones and under much worse circumstances than if she had confided in him and they had co-operated.  And she seems on the frigid side in bed with him, possibly because their gender roles are switched and that's just not very romantic.  She has the masculine qualities needed to survive in the past (hunting skill, engineering ability) whereas Roger starts out as a pretty well useless historian and singer.  As he learns (and suffers) her respect and love for him grow.

But to be fair, after the massive fan love for Jamie and Claire and their intense relationship, any other couple is going to pale by comparison.  The Frasers are the sun, burning hot and Bree with Roger the moon, on the cold side. 
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March 29th, 2018, 6:56 pm #19


minaka wrote:Bree is not my cup of tea.  She seems to combine the worst of her parents - Claire's busybody arrogance without thinking things through and though I have a harder time thinking of negatives in Jamie, his stubborn sense of righteousness, inability to let go.

And the wear and tear this Amazon puts on poor Roger!  Not knowing him well enough to guess he'd follow her through the stones and under much worse circumstances than if she had confided in him and they had co-operated.  And she seems on the frigid side in bed with him, possibly because their gender roles are switched and that's just not very romantic.  She has the masculine qualities needed to survive in the past (hunting skill, engineering ability) whereas Roger starts out as a pretty well useless historian and singer.  As he learns (and suffers) her respect and love for him grow.

But to be fair, after the massive fan love for Jamie and Claire and their intense relationship, any other couple is going to pale by comparison.  The Frasers are the sun, burning hot and Bree with Roger the moon, on the cold side. 
I agree!! I often feel very sorry for Roger and wonder why she is that way towards him considering how passionately her parents approach pretty much everything in life.. surely she inherited some of that?

I have also felt her hesitance about child birth to be kind of strange. While pregnant it's like she is convinced she's going to die but then even after she has Jem successfully she acts like it's a death sentence if she gets pregnant again? Contrast that to Claire who quite literally nearly died with Faith, and yet she had no qualms about continuing in Jamie's bed and further chance of pregnancy? Of course Bree has sexual trauma in her past but it doesn't seem to come from that because she still wants sex just not the baby, so I've always been confused on that point.. I would totally get it if were the added responsibility of another child that made her hesitant but that doesn't seem to be her reason 🤷‍♀️

I just don't get her, and definitely struggle to see the good qualities of her parents in her.. maybe I just love them too much so she pales in comparison

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April 3rd, 2018, 1:49 pm #20

I think Brianna is used as a plot device more often than not and that hinders her character development. Diana admits that she only invented her because she felt that Jamie and Claire needed a child and having a child meant that they had to be separated to keep the story interesting. She didn't have a strong sense of Bree when she started writing her character. Nearly every time that I can think of when I've been annoyed with Bree's personality, I think, "Well, that was useful to drive the plot." For instance, when she got irrationally angry at Roger for keeping the secret of finding the story about her parents' deaths in the fire. It seems that after a bit of arguing, they could have talked about it calmly, but then there wouldn't have been all the drama of the second half of DOA!
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April 3rd, 2018, 2:44 pm #21


Vala wrote:I think Brianna is used as a plot device more often than not and that hinders her character development. Diana admits that she only invented her because she felt that Jamie and Claire needed a child and having a child meant that they had to be separated to keep the story interesting...
This makes a lot of sense! I will use that line of thinking about driving the plot and maybe she won't bother me so much 🤣

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April 5th, 2018, 9:59 pm #22

I just had a thought about Brianna.  She was raised by Claire (who was constantly studying while she was a baby, and then at work and on call when Brianna was a child) and Frank (who could never have children of his own and therefore wanted Brianna to be his 'Daddy's Girl' more than anything).  She was raised by two dysfunctional people; a mother who was never there as well as being emotionally unavailable and a father who somewhat spoiled her...is it any wonder that she is immature?  Having children of her own should/could help her to mature, but it doesn't necessarily.  A real conversation between Claire and Brianna about her childhood (and perhaps Claire apologizing for being so absent) would probably be helpful.  It sounds like I'm blaming Claire a lot, and I realize that her separation from Jamie made her life a living shell...but for the sake of her and Jamie's child it seems as though she could have done better.  Perhaps motherhood for Claire was her proverbial 'square in the round hole'. 
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April 5th, 2018, 10:12 pm #23


Zahia wrote: She was raised by two dysfunctional people; a mother who was never there as well as being emotionally unavailable and a father who somewhat spoiled her...is it any wonder that she is immature? 
 So true! I am just now watching the Starz series and feel like that's really being shown in the flashbacks to Claire and Frank's life while Bree is young.
Zahia wrote: Perhaps motherhood for Claire was her proverbial 'square in the round hole'. 
It does seem that way doesn't it? So sad considering how much she and Jamie both longed for a child.. if only things had been different! (Though what kind of story would we have without that epic 20 yr separation?!)


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