OUTLANDER: Jamie appearing in the future

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Clan Fraser
Joined: September 19th, 2009, 5:20 pm

October 25th, 2014, 1:09 pm #31

Naomi wrote:Hmm, that's interesting. I didn't realize that. Maybe it's because she didn't actually see the ghost herself so she forgot about Frank's seeing it? I wondered if she might have discussed that with Frank but that's not in the books so ...
That's right, Claire doesn't see the ghost only Frank, it was one of those 'freaky' events in a spooky, stormy night. They talk about it briefly then let if go. :flower:

But the wine had been too strong for her, as it had for the others; and like the others she had stepped from the safe shores of friendship. She stood now in another country, whose sun burned and whose air was too rare for her breathing. Checkmate
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October 25th, 2014, 1:41 pm #32

Claire was likely more focused on the fact that Frank mentioned seeing the Highlander as a prelude to suggesting she might have been 'involved' with one of her patients, and didn't think about the possible ghostly prospects.
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October 25th, 2014, 6:25 pm #33

Yes, now I recall their conversation regarded whether or not Claire could have had a fling with one of her patients during the war. I don't recall Frank actually describing the ghost he saw so it makes sense that Claire would have put it out of her mind afterwards. On the TV show though you see Frank making the connection between the ghost and Claire's disappearance. I don't recall that from the book though.
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October 26th, 2014, 1:11 pm #34

Since Outlander is written from Claire's perspective, we would't read about what connections Frank made. That wouldn't even be in The Exile, which is Outlander from Jamie's perspective, because he wasn't there...I mean, he was there...no, he will be there...hehehe
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Rae
Joined: November 3rd, 2014, 8:44 pm

January 15th, 2017, 3:08 am #35

I have a question and I'm sure it's been asked and answered a few times. Does the subject of Frank seeing a ghost come up when Claire comes back through the stones and does Claire tell Jamie about Frank seeing a ghost before she went through? I haven't done a re-kilt of the last few books for a long time and I just can't remember. Thanks :)
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January 15th, 2017, 8:29 pm #36

I don't think it came up anywhere in the books. Which makes sense since the books are from Claire's perspective and Claire didn't pay much attention to Frank's story about the ghost and also didn't see the ghost herself so she couldn't know what it/he looked like.
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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Rae
Joined: November 3rd, 2014, 8:44 pm

January 15th, 2017, 9:49 pm #37

Thanks Naomi, I didn't think I read it anywhere but I was watching "Sassenach" the other day and started thinking about Jamie's ghost again. I can't wait to find out about that but that means the end of the story, so I'm torn! :)
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June 1st, 2018, 8:11 pm #38

Hi, I'm back here again on the OBC site as I can't stay away from Outlander for long, and now I'm rewatching S1 and re-reading the first book. 
I love all the thoughts about the 'ghost'. Personally, I'm fine with it being Jamie's ghost - we've seen a ghost elsewhere in the series so it's not outside the realm of possibility that Diana would include one here. I love the idea of an eternal time-loop though, as offered by another member earlier up the thread.
I also agree it could be Jamie projecting from one of his dreams - is there a thread to discuss Jamie and his dreams btw?
What I was thinking of was something similar to above, but with a little more 'stones magic' thrown in. We know that at this time in the 18th century (parallel timeline) Jamie and Dougal's gang are near the stones at Craig na Dune. We also know it to be the near the festival of Beltane (May 1st) in both times. I wonder if Jamie unconsciously performed a little magic... there are certain feast days when it was traditional for maidens to be able to see their future husband's face in a dream - herbs you'd put under your pillow, rising at dawn etc. I have thought for a while that the moment that Jamie meets Claire is critical for his falling in love with her: he's being brought back into the Mackenzie fold and back to Scotland, his mind might well be focused on his future and finding a wife, knowing all the while that his prospects as a fugitive laird were pretty bleak. Supposing Jamie, in a fit of wistful optimism, wished to see his future wife's face as laid his head on a mossy pillow a few miles from Craig na Dune... and his dream carried him 200 years into the future... Like the other members have suggested here, it fits with Jamie's special dreaming skillz but also collides with the magic... But did I get the timeline right?
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