Joined: September 30th, 2014, 4:13 pm

November 1st, 2014, 10:29 pm #61

Don't worry I speed read through those too.....maybe I will read the book again later but as for now I only run through (I wish there was a cliffs notes for chapters William LOL)
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November 1st, 2014, 10:31 pm #62

DLT wrote:So William is a bit like the white sow - tolerated for his usefulness?

I kind of prefer the white sow....she's a hero of mine :lol:
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November 5th, 2014, 6:51 pm #63

I am one of a few no doubt that finds it better to have less Jamie and Claire and more of the others. They where becoming boring and a little far fetched in their antics considering ages, time and conditions. Nice to have just a sprinkling of them
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November 6th, 2014, 2:36 pm #64

Gilligogs wrote:I am one of a few no doubt that finds it better to have less Jamie and Claire and more of the others. They where becoming boring and a little far fetched in their antics considering ages, time and conditions. Nice to have just a sprinkling of them

I'm always anxious to make it to Bree and Roger chapters. The Lord John areas of the book aren't that bad either.....and I want to know more about this Fergus mystery! :thinking:
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November 14th, 2014, 12:38 am #65

Amanda wrote:
DLT wrote:So William is a bit like the white sow - tolerated for his usefulness?
I kind of prefer the white sow....she's a hero of mine :lol:
I think I'll mourn pretty hard when the sow finally passes. :D
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December 1st, 2014, 6:21 pm #66

I'm more bored with Ian's POVs. His adventures are really dull for me, especially his "affair" with Rachel Hunter (another character I consider unnecessary). There was no build up, no interactions between them which could lead them to falling in love with each other.
William's POVs are maybe not the most exciting thing ever, but a)they have John in it, which is a value itself b)it's refreshing to see something from the Brit's side, c)I liked Willie's reaction after he founds out who his real father is and it made him 100% more interesting. BTW, does anyone find it unbelievable that William didn't recognise Jamie? He remembered Alex McKenzie, had his wooden rosary all these years, not to mention, than Jamie's looks was extraordinary and he and Willie spent some amount of time together at the stables. Willie was like 6-7, when Jamie's left Helwater, if I;m not mistaken. He was big enough to remeber someone like him :thinking:
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March 15th, 2015, 12:14 am #67

slainte wrote:BTW, does anyone find it unbelievable that William didn't recognise Jamie? He remembered Alex McKenzie, had his wooden rosary all these years, not to mention, than Jamie's looks was extraordinary and he and Willie spent some amount of time together at the stables. Willie was like 6-7, when Jamie's left Helwater, if I;m not mistaken. He was big enough to remeber someone like him :thinking:
To be honest, no that doesn't bother me all that much. I want him to recognize Jamie but realistically, no there are a lot of reasons why he might not: 1) name change, 2) faulty memory and size perception due to the fact that Willie was a small child when he last saw Jamie, 3) out of context - not even the same country and Jamie is in a far different position in his life, 4) efforts on the part of everyone concerned not to allow Will to make that connection.

Personally I think it was a mistake not to tell him the truth about his parentage - but I'm not going to question it too far, this is a novel not real life lol!

And on another note, the person who said that "the first 700 pages could have been 100 and the last 100 pages could have been 700" was absolutely right.
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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October 25th, 2016, 6:01 am #68

Old thread, I know, but I wanted to express how much more I am enjoying Echo (on re-kilt) having given myself permission to skip chapters. The first read I persisted because I didn't want to miss anything, but I reached the end of the book and asked myself what the point of some storylines were? Much happier this time to skip over these. Everything to do with Percy/politics/war stuff is gone, and John and William are only tolerated when they are interacting with the main characters.

Having been persuaded to read The Scottish Prisoner, and feeling that it contaminated my Outlander mindset, I will now only read the series itself and ignore the irrelevant characters and storylines.
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October 26th, 2016, 3:23 am #69

Oh, Fiona, but they are relevant. Ask Diana :)
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November 9th, 2016, 10:08 pm #70

I know Diana considers them relevant, but we will have to agree to disagree. I didn't like the LJ books at all, Scottish Prisoner was just OK, and I prefer to keep the Outlander story restricted to what happens in the central books. That way, my love for the story stays pure.

I wasn't intending to imply criticism of those who enjoy the extraneous storylines, but to add my voice to those who were struggling with the random threads that emerged in Echo.
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June 9th, 2018, 12:27 am #71

I fell in love with potential Willie the night Jamie had sex with his mother!  I could not wait to love him when he was born!  The "Stinking Papist" scene sealed my love for Willie forever.  Jamie is my first concern.  I am not a fangirl of Claire.  It will always be Jamie. There!  Over time though things changed....slightly.  I find I can love more people.
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