DIA: Claire's Reaction at St. Kilda's

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December 17th, 2014, 8:04 am #16

Well, I think that somewhere Claire herself acknowledges that. She did intend to be gentle and to give her the information gradually. Actually she was trying to figure out how and when. It's just that she sort of snapped when she saw the grave and let it all out so it didn't go as planned.
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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December 17th, 2014, 7:06 pm #17

Chericola wrote:When I first read this scene, I actually thought for a second that she'd seen Jamie's ghost. :)
It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire book, purely because it's just so angsty. I love reading angst, because it makes me almost cry. Few books make me truly burst into tears, so when something makes me almost cry, I consider it an accomplishment. :) .
Chericola I have to agree with you. At my advanced age I'm a pretty tough, jaded character. I've lived a very full life and as a retired nurse I saw more than my fair share of heartbreak. There are very few authors who can make me cry. Unfortunately Gabaldon is able to do it on a regular basis with her Outlander series.

On my rekilt of DIA when Roger, Bree, and Claire visit Culloden is the exact point in DIA where I started crying. I think Claire's reaction at St Kilda's was typical for any widow. Put yourself in Claire's shoes and imagine yourself as a widow for the last 20 years (as Claire did) and then actually seeing your husband's tombstone for the first time. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I think Gabaldon pretty much nailed Claire's reaction. It wouldn't matter if it's only been one day or twenty years since your husband's death it would still be a shock to see that grave marker. I'm not a big fan of Claire but this is one situation where my heart just breaks for Claire.
"But what I would ask of ye- when you do tell me something let it be the truth. And I'll promise ye the same. We have nothing now between us, save—respect, perhaps. And I think that respect has maybe room for secrets, but not for lies."
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December 18th, 2014, 3:32 pm #18

Desertgirl wrote:
Chericola wrote: On my rekilt of DIA when Roger, Bree, and Claire visit Culloden is the exact point in DIA where I started crying. I think Claire's reaction at St Kilda's was typical for any widow. Put yourself in Claire's shoes and imagine yourself as a widow for the last 20 years (as Claire did) and then actually seeing your husband's tombstone for the first time. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I think Gabaldon pretty much nailed Claire's reaction. It wouldn't matter if it's only been one day or twenty years since your husband's death it would still be a shock to see that grave marker. I'm not a big fan of Claire but this is one situation where my heart just breaks for Claire.
:agree:
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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December 18th, 2014, 8:43 pm #19

Desertgirl wrote: Put yourself in Claire's shoes and imagine yourself as a widow for the last 20 years (as Claire did) and then actually seeing your husband's tombstone for the first time. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I think Gabaldon pretty much nailed Claire's reaction. It wouldn't matter if it's only been one day or twenty years since your husband's death it would still be a shock to see that grave marker.
Indeed, especially when he was not supposed to be there. She had expected all along Jamie would've have been buried in a mass grave in Culloden with the rest of the slaughtered clansmen. Finding Jamie's gravestone in St. Kilda was a brutal shock to Claire.

But the wine had been too strong for her, as it had for the others; and like the others she had stepped from the safe shores of friendship. She stood now in another country, whose sun burned and whose air was too rare for her breathing. Checkmate
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February 7th, 2015, 12:47 am #20

I think it also meant that since he didn't die at Culloden (or at least we assume he didn't since he isn't near the field and is in a marked grave)he might still be "alive" in the past so there was a possibility she could go back and find him (depending on when he died). -That all this time he was living in the past and she thought he was dead and had bee grieving him in the present. I'm sure I would have wondered why I hadn't just taken myself and the baby back to Jamie so many years ago- but she didn't know. There is a question that I have but I'm not sure if it could lead to a spoiler since i am on Voyager now- can someone remind me where Claire is at the end of DIA? I have been binge reading so I don't really know where one book ends and the next begins. I find reading at stop lights to be the most effective way to hit a hundred pages a day- : 0 :j/k:
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February 7th, 2015, 2:36 pm #21

At the end of DIA Claire is in the 20th century, telling her story to Roger and Claire and Roger tells Claire that he thinks that Jamie didn't really die at Culloden.
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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February 7th, 2015, 8:58 pm #22

then i think i will keep it to myself for now : )
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February 7th, 2015, 9:27 pm #23

There's a spoiler thread where you could put it. Or maybe on the Voyager parts.
Da mi basia mille, deinde centum, dein mille altera, dein secunda centum, deinde usque altera mille, deinde centum.

Donne-moi mille baisers, et puis cent, et puis mille autres, puis une seconde fois cent, puis encore mille autres, puis cent.
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February 14th, 2015, 3:59 am #24

I always wondered why Claire wasn't pleased to find his grave in a church graveyardbecause this would indicate that he did not die at Culloden,or he'd be in a mass grave. Finding the grave marker for the love of your life has to be heart rending,of course she wasn't thinking of him as being dead.
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April 16th, 2016, 5:37 am #25

Amazing I sights. Thanks Repoman, Jerry T, Naomi, Desertgirl, actually everyone. Seeing a grave marker puts physical evidence on an event...Jamie's passing and her identification as his wife. That's a shock. When I've received shocking news and I am asked...I spill. Claire, for all her planning couldn't stick to the plan. It was emotional. Guttural. She had to talk.

But yes , also I think the close proximity to BJR and his grave, must also have played on Claire. She and Jamie, she knew, detested the man, and the audacity of the fact that he was buried beside Jamie, her beloved, was too much. Claire wasnt about to share her husband with that detestable man, despite his delusions later displayed. It's a blow to the heart and the gut, your deepest emotions and your body's response to unpleasant news. The bowels of your heart, so you talk.

Claire desperately had to tell Bree, no matter what. It was pent up too long.
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April 16th, 2016, 11:43 am #26

:agree: Claire couldn't not have told Bree then. She was in shock and upset, and the words just came out. She also might have felt like she should explain herself, since her name was on the gravestone for all to see. Bree and Roger certainly saw it. It wasn't how she'd planned to have that conversation with Bree, but it happened that way and she had to make the best of the situation.

I always feel for poor Claire in this scene. Seeing your husband's grave (stone-cold proof that he is actually dead) has got to be horrible. I have no clue how I'd react in her place. I think I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but during my first read-through I really thought that she'd seen Jamie's ghost when she screamed. But discovering Jamie's grave was probably worse than seeing a ghost. If she'd seen a ghost she would at least have been a bit comforted by it. Seeing the grave was a punch in the gut, as it brought to mind the reality that Jamie had been dead and buried for centuries and was now just a corpse lying at the bottom of a grave.
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June 9th, 2018, 4:59 pm #27

I know this discussion is old, but I wanted to add that Claire's reaction at Jamie's grave is understandable to me. Twenty years and she had nothing physical to remember Jamie by, except his daughter, whom she could not acknowledge as his. So much she has repressed, and so much love she has had to lock away in her heart, so as not to hurt Frank or Bree, and so that she might survive her terrible grief for him and carry on for their daughter's sake. Then, in that moment she sees his grave, for the first time since the stones twenty years before, she is physically close to him again, albeit his bones, but just six feet of earth separates them...there's horror in that but also the need to be close to him would override those feelings, and the loss would feel raw once more. I can quite understand why she lost her composure, why she actually screamed. 
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June 11th, 2018, 1:31 pm #28

Topomostro, I like this explanation and it makes a lot of sense to me.
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