What exactly did the French do for us?

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November 4th, 2015, 8:58 pm #21

One thing the French were good at supplying was money to help pay for Scots armies.

Another thing: As a thank you for Scots assistance during France's hundred years war with England, all Scots were made nationalised French citizens. Every Scot having a dual Scots/French nationality remained the case for about 450 years until it was revoked in the late 19th century.
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November 4th, 2015, 9:25 pm #22

lee1974:135379 wrote:One thing that is difficult to understand is why when asked for assistance by Edward 1st to fight the french did the scotts side with the french against the english? Surely an alliance between England, wales and Scotland would have been better? What did the french have to offer scotland? or was it just a hatred of the English?
Scotland already had a treaty with France (Franco-Scottish Treaty of Paris, 1295).

A treaty with Wales would have been an impossibility due to the fact that there would have been no-one in Wales to sign a treaty with. Wales had already been annexed to England by right of conquest (Edward I's Conquest of Wales, 1277-1283).

An Anglo-Scottish treaty wasn't on the cards. Edward did not want any kind of treaty with Scotland. He wanted to annex Scotland in the same way he had annexed Wales.
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November 4th, 2015, 9:46 pm #23

Local Zero:135380 wrote:The  Scotts have never sided with the French .
Nor have they ever been against the English , in fact  many of them are  English .
You're wrong.

The Scots fought in their thousands on the side of the French during France's protracted wars with England (1337 to 1453). The Battle of Bauge (1421) was considered by the French to be the turning point of the Hundred Years War. The Scottish army came upon an English army and routed it, killing England's heir to the throne in the process. Up until that point the French had suffered many setbacks from the English. The Scot's victory restored their morale. Pope Martin V was moved to say ""Verily, the Scots are well-known as an antidote to the English."

A large portion of Joan of Arc's army was made up of Scots.
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November 4th, 2015, 9:50 pm #24

Local Zero:130245 wrote:I haven't read it , but it is my understanding that the Treaty of Corbiel  between Scotland and  France , The Auld Alliance  was lopsided from the beginning
You're wrong.

The Auld Alliance dares fro 1295 (Treaty of Paris) until 1560 (Treaty of Edinburgh).
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November 4th, 2015, 10:02 pm #25

Local Zero:130318 wrote:There is only the one that concerns this issue , the 1326 Treaty of Corbeil ,  and it was a lopsided agreement . It obliged Scotland to wade into Anglo French  wars in France's favour  , but there was no such obligation for  France to do the same for Scotland  .
You're wrong.

The treaty of Corbeil (April 1326): Each country undertook to give military aid to the other against the King of England.
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November 4th, 2015, 10:06 pm #26

Local Zero:135363 wrote:The Scotts were  Reviers ,
they fought on their own account , not at the bidding of others .
You're wrong.

They fought at the bidding of their feudal lord or clan chief.
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