Photobucket Third Party Woes As Described By Nicod

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Photobucket Third Party Woes As Described By Nicod

Joined: Nov 3 2014, 08:36 AM

Jul 2 2017, 10:58 PM #1

Newsflash

CDO is well into manually salvaging massive amounts of surviving pictures from olden days. Lots more to do, of course. An organized volunteer effort will carry you far.

This is doable if a few members voluntarily sacrifice some days or a week of sparetime. Such a brief but intensive salvage sweep of old worthy pictures can save years and years of accumulated forum content!

Please think of the very best logs you have, and consider saving their images if their owners are inactive at the moment.

Worst of all? This Photobucket mess strikes in the middle of summer! Wanted to spend these hours outside. But long-term it will be worth it.

PS. Tech-savvy admins of this forum might wish to contact The Red Devil on Lustria Online right away. He might have found a loop-hole to automatically download Photobucket images and transform them into attachments. DS.
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amplebob
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Joined: Aug 3 2009, 10:19 AM

Jul 3 2017, 07:56 AM #2

Yikes!
This is no fun. Re-did my whole blog with photobucket after previous site called it quits. I imagine we'll lose a lot of great history on this site. Do you have a recommendation for an alternative image hosting site?
Forest gobling Blog - The Creeping Fang:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_ ... 3&st=0&hl=
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WarbossKurgan
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Joined: Feb 26 2004, 12:17 PM

Jul 3 2017, 11:36 AM #3

This (to me) looks like the final nail in the coffin for forums. Most of them have very low activity levels these days as social media sites have drained them of traffic. Now that many thread posted by "lapsed" forum users will soon be emptied of images, and even threads made by active users will be stripped unless they put in a lot of effort, means there will be even less traffic on forums.

Appalling. :(
Adm'rul Kurgan Grimjaw
Swashbuckling Pirate Orc Warlord of the Ironfang Fleet


Also available on Twitter and I have an actual Blog
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Theorox
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Joined: Apr 21 2010, 03:10 PM

Jul 5 2017, 05:23 PM #4

WarbossKurgan @ Jul 3 2017, 11:36 AM wrote: This (to me) looks like the final nail in the coffin for forums. Most of them have very low activity levels these days as social media sites have drained them of traffic. Now that many thread posted by "lapsed" forum users will soon be emptied of images, and even threads made by active users will be stripped unless they put in a lot of effort, means there will be even less traffic on forums.

Appalling. :(
Yeah, this really sucks for us. :(

I can hardly believe that Photobucket would do that. Who cares enough about their service to pay $40, much less $40 a month? I don't really care about the few pictures I have on there, but there is a wealth of hobby related stuff hosted there!

I know PB has been in decline for a long time (for obvious social media related reasons), but what is the best replacement nowadays? Imgur, maybe? Instagram doesn't allow photo sharing on forums and similar, does it?

Theo
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okkel
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Joined: Aug 11 2013, 10:18 AM

Jul 5 2017, 07:44 PM #5

I have have always wondered how they managed to pay their bills. Hosting huge amounts of pictures are not cheap and when these pictures are displayed on forums they will not get money from commercials so in principle I understand why they would like to ask money for that. But that can hardly be news to them and suddenly jumping from free to ridiculous expensive without warning seems like a business model of tricking people into using their service while accepting a substantial loss and then when sufficiently many people are dependent on them turning around and blackmailing them in the hope that some will be forced to pay up, ignoring the huge damage they do to online communities in the process. This is really a very bad move and I cannot say I hope they survive.

I do however hope that the many great online communities this impact finds a way to survive. Fortunately I have always been able to host pictures away from the big commercial servers so my posts are so far immune to this however I would really hate to see so much wonderful content in here get destroyed. :(
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Jul 5 2017, 10:29 PM #6

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WarbossKurgan
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Joined: Feb 26 2004, 12:17 PM

Jul 6 2017, 10:28 AM #7

I read the post linked and it looks like it's waaaay beyond my ability. I can't even get my head round how to start using that info. :(

#TechFail from old man Kurgan.
Adm'rul Kurgan Grimjaw
Swashbuckling Pirate Orc Warlord of the Ironfang Fleet


Also available on Twitter and I have an actual Blog
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Joined: Aug 29 2012, 08:17 PM

Jul 20 2017, 02:50 PM #8

That's some bad news right there :(

Still, not all hope is lost. I'll be moving to The 9th Age Greenskins FB group for good and would love to see you Boyz do the same!

Link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/145131642682686/
Battles in 2017: W-35 D-5 L-17
Models painted in 2017: 26

Battles in 2016: W-14 D-3 L-6
Models painted in 2016: 75

Battles in 2015: W-20 D-3 L-6
Models painted in 2015: 99

Battles in 2014: W-38 D-5 L-14
Models painted in 2014: 255


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WarbossKurgan
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Joined: Feb 26 2004, 12:17 PM

Jul 20 2017, 02:58 PM #9

Boss Wargut @ Jul 20 2017, 03:50 PM wrote: I'll be moving to The 9th Age Greenskins FB group for good and would love to see you Boyz do the same!

Link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/145131642682686/
Same for me, but Age of Sigmar groups:

AoS28 / The Dark Age of Sigmar https://www.facebook.com/groups/AoS28/
and
Age of Sigmar Fans https://www.facebook.com/groups/1641718192732121/

And I'm slowly fixing all the old posts on my blog if you want to come by and say Hi without "gettin' yer feet dirty"! ;)
https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.co.uk/
Adm'rul Kurgan Grimjaw
Swashbuckling Pirate Orc Warlord of the Ironfang Fleet


Also available on Twitter and I have an actual Blog
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Joined: Nov 3 2014, 08:36 AM

Sep 12 2017, 09:18 AM #10

Stopgap fix to Photobucket images under lockdown (my emboldening), from Warseer's Captain Brown:
Gentlemen,

As some long term PLOGers and cornerstones of some of the Painting Log areas, the member Ash has come up with a fix.

"With the Photobucket pictures not showing; if you go into edit post and insert ~original between .jpg and [/img] as in .jpg~original[/img] then the original picture will show again..." and it works!

I have asked him to share that in the stickies at the top of each painting forum, but thought I would pass that on to you who had large PLOGs blocked in the meantime.

Cheers,

Phil
Those who have not yet replaced their own Photobucket pictures with identical pictures hosted elsewhere, may want to scour their army blogs and other hobby threads. However,  adding ~original to the address lines will not make the linked images compatible with more advanced solutions!

Note however that we cannot consider this a permanent solution, only a stopgap option. It is possible that Photobucket may come to block this fixture, transform itself beyond recognition or go down altogether as a site.
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okkel
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Joined: Aug 11 2013, 10:18 AM

Sep 13 2017, 08:18 AM #11

Excellent solution! I wonder if it would be possible for someone to go into the database of this sidse and make some advanced search and replace, replacing all photobucket links with the new improved version?
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Sep 13 2017, 09:06 AM #12

Just make sure you have a backup copy of the whole site before venturing for such a sweep!
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okkel
Orc
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Sep 14 2017, 08:54 PM #13

Yes that would be an absolute must. Though in the meantime I have heard that that it apparently doesn't work on this site. Apparently the forum code checks if [img...[/img] tag is a valid code and if it isn't it complains and unfortunately it thinks .jpg~original is an invalid name for en image. :(
I do however not have any photobucket pictures myself so I have not tested it.
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May 21 2018, 07:33 AM #14

Update: Photobucket has reverted their pay policy and restored most of their old 3rd party content for free. This means most of the dead threads on hobby sites such as this one can be enjoyed once again, without moderators or users doing anything.



While this is a fortunate boon to hobby forums, it should be remembered that many imagehosting sites have folded or changed beyond recognition (incl. Imageshack), while the once-default choice of Photobucket itself has proved unstable. While the large website of Imgur remains dependable for the moment being, things can change fast, as we saw with Photobucket. Digital storage is insecure and fragile, yet brilliant in its outreach.

As such, do consider these following two steps to backup hobby pictures and artworks for public view:

1. Upload your own hobby pictures into one or more Google Drive folders (or similar), set access to share, and insert a link to this folder in your hobby log(s) and showcase thread(s). That way, even if whatever imagehosting site(s) you are using folds in the future, or play 3rd party hosting rodeo, others may still be able to access your work, admire it and be inspired through this backup folder, even if you yourself have gone inactive.


2. Search out those old treasure threads which you know of, where masterclass work of conversions, sculpting, scenery making, miniature painting or artwork were created by very talented people. Save a selection of these images yourself, upload to both one or more imagehosting sites like Imgur, and to a Google Drive folder. Then you can either pool your and others' backup folders of the best of the best in some common thread, or perhaps commit thread necromancy (if this is not frowned upon on a particular forum) where you share links to these backup albums and folders in the thread in question - or send these links to an active moderator to have inserted into the first post of inactive treasure threads (if threadomancy happens to be frowned upon).


Note that this can be organized as a group endeavour, where a bunch of active members name and link the very best which their hobby site has to offer, and split salvage of these different inactive members' pictures between themselves. If this is done, then it may be advisible to avoid repetitive images, most WIP pictures that lead up to a finished result, pictures of sprues and so on: Salvage selectively, save the very best and don't maximize your voluntary burden.

Other ways of backing up images of others and sharing them publicly are possible - and please talk about them here or elsewhere - but the point to stress here is that inactive members do not save their own pictures for sharing: That is up to the active members to do, if they deem a particular hobby work or artwork worthy to save for future years to inspire themselves and others.

At the moment of writing, a majority of older wargaming hobby pictures online have likely been shared over Photobucket. We have been granted an unexpected reprieve with their reversal of the pay-to-share debacle*, meaning all those dead hobby logs are suddenly up with visible pictures again. A reprieve which we should all consider exploiting while it last: Now is your chance to salvage the true gems of others and help save the very best pictures for the future.

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* Which is why one shouldn't even consider to delete one's Photobucket account unless one have already backed up the images and re-uploaded those one wish to share. Redundancy is key.
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