sanni
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August 18th, 2012, 1:08 pm #11

If a stick has more than 85 or so steps in one direction it can lead to bugs in certain games like Turok 1
If you look up with the gc style replacement stick Turok is almost looking behind him.
But those are only minor side effects and only affect "bad" programmed games.


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bluedogrulez
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August 18th, 2012, 2:56 pm #12

@sanni: great stuff! It is interesting to see graphical proof of what we think we know from gaming experience. If I could trouble you or mac for one more--the Hori mini, the circle would be complete for me. (i suspect identical performance as LodgeNet within the more limited, standard 86-step range)

Turok's neck...very funny!
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August 18th, 2012, 5:24 pm #13

wrote:sensitivity and precision
they're not too sensitive, they are inprecise.
A movement of plus or minus 1 would become 2 or even 4 if steps are skipped.
This would feel like the controls were "jumpy" aka "too sensitive"

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August 20th, 2012, 12:38 pm #14

bluedogrulez wrote:If I could trouble you or mac for one more--the Hori mini, the circle would be complete for me.
Here's one for the Hori Pad Mini. The resolution stinks, but hopefully this will do for now:
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August 20th, 2012, 2:57 pm #15

Thanks, mac64! Looks very much like the LN without the LN's additional range. Based solely upon the above date, would you or sanni agree with the following rankings/analysis:

1) OEM
2) LodgeNet (less precise that OEM, but larger range)
3) Hori Mini (same precision as LN, but about same range as OEM)
4) 3rd party Gamecube-style (remarkably poorer precision as OEM, same range as OEM)
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August 20th, 2012, 6:05 pm #16

First, about the Hori pad...

Everyone seems to love them, but, at least with the one I have, movements to the right are much more "forceful" than movements to the left - leading to a severely unbalanced controller. You can see it in the benchmark I took:
macN64 wrote:
[+] Spoiler

I've thought for a long time that my Hori Pad is defective, as I've never known anyone else to complain about this. Is anyone able to confirm or deny if this is just limited to my controller?

Anyway, going only on my single Hori Pad, I would still choose the Hori Pad controller over the Gamecube style sticks (ignoring price), but there's not much in it at all - they both have their own, different problems.

Of the controllers/sticks you list Bluedog, I would rank them the same as you (with the Hori Pad only being slightly ahead of the Gamecube style sticks):
1. OEM
2. LodgeNet
3. Hori Pad Mini
4. Gamecube style

If I could include any controllers/sticks, my list would look like this:
1. OEM
2. Sharkpad Pro/LodgeNet (tied)
4. Hori Pad
5. Mako Pad
6. Gamecube style

I've a good way of arranging the controllers to visually convey where I feel they "fit". I'll see if I can get a picture up fairly soon.

One last question - how would the third party OEM style sticks (which I haven't tried yet) fit into your list Bluedog?
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August 20th, 2012, 6:37 pm #17

macN64 wrote:One last question - how would the third party OEM style sticks (which I haven't tried yet) fit into your list Bluedog?
Wow, good question! Without any emperical data: Out of the box (wait, no box; out of the mail parcel), dead last. My issue (as others have observed) is that after 2 hours of game play, the spring bends and becomes useless. During that 2 hours though (or if you put an OEM spring in there), about same as OEM (betting sanni's program shows clone's performance is close but not identical to OEM).

Data aside, I am really loving the LodgeNet gamecube-style stick right now.
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August 20th, 2012, 9:44 pm #18

bluedogrulez wrote: I am really loving the LodgeNet gamecube-style stick right now.
Have you managed to connect the Lodgenet to a normal N64? Or did you just take the joystick out?
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August 20th, 2012, 11:44 pm #19

Fascinating stuff. I'd be interested in seeing the Makopad on the skip test.
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August 21st, 2012, 12:37 am #20

@norcal: harvested LN stick and connected it to OEM board, then put it in a modified OEM controller. Check out pic on Working LodgeNet thread. Mac64 and Sanni did better jobs!

@slowbird: bet the mako tests like a champ. Forum legend alxbly's favorite stick as i recall.

@macN64 and sanni: To run your tests, are you both using flash carts on an N64 console or do you have the controller hooked up to a PC somehow?
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