Why did forum 407559 get taken down?

Moderators: N54 Volunteer Moderator, Network54 Employee

Why did forum 407559 get taken down?

Joined: October 16th, 2005, 5:27 pm

May 15th, 2006, 10:20 am #1

Hi forum administrators!

I run forum 446944. It is chatboard about anything to do with the mafia, or about other mafia chatboards (there is great competition amongst mafia chatboards). A forum very similar to mine, #407559, got taken down and it says:

"This Network54 forum has been disabled due to a breach of the Network54 User Agreement by the owner of this forum. Network54 does not allow forums that contain or contain links to nudity, sex, pornography, illegal activities, unauthorized use or distribution of copyrighted material(s) (including 'warez' boards), mail fraud and pyramid schemes, hatred and racism of any kind, guns or firearms, or any other material that may be deemed libelous or offensive to another individual or organization."

As I say, this forum was VERY similar to mine - in fact, I knew the owner (although I haven't been able to reach him) and used to have admin privileges there. For a while, he had problems from people who didn't like the site - they would post all sorts of hard-core pornographic pictures on the forum and then complain to Network54. Network54 would then send a warning to the owner of the board (that's how I was given admin privileges - to help police the board and take down the porn quickly (because the owner frequently would disappear for weeks at a time). So, I am wondering what caused the forum to get taken down - so that I can avoid the same thing happening to my forum, because they are basically the same, or at least, very similar.

If you want to email me, that is fine. In addition to my email account shown above, an account that I check more often is "authoriseduser545@yahoo.com" (not that is with an "S" and not a "Z"), so if you email me, if you could please copy that address as well.

Thanks in advance.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: July 16th, 2003, 4:43 pm

May 15th, 2006, 3:56 pm #2

<P>Arturo,</P>
<P>For violation of terms of use. I've given this advice before on the support forum, but it is worth repeating, if you operate a forum that will likely attract posts that violate terms of use, then you must be vigilant about logging into the forum regularly and editing. If not, we don't have any choice but to close it down.</P>
<P>Regards,</P>

Nick
N54 Customer Support
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: October 16th, 2005, 5:27 pm

May 15th, 2006, 11:43 pm #3

Hi Nick.

I sort of knew that. After all, it said that it was taken down because of "violation of terms of use", and so I came to this forum to find out WHAT violation of terms of use caused that, and now you say that it was "for violation of terms of use". Uhhhh . . . . that really doesn't do me any good. Which violation was it? It could well have been something that I put up myself. I need to know this so that my forum doesn't run into this. Also, did you warn the forum operator beforehand?

Look, Nick, I'll be blunt with you - my forum is a BACKUP forum, intended just in case something like this happened. We always assumed that one of the mob people that we profiled would get us taken down by having a lawyer write a letter to guys, and you would simply roll over because of the potential costs involved. In fact, something like that just happened at eboards4all.com - they kicked off ALL mafia-related forums because one of their forums (a forum dealing with mafia activity in Cleveland, Ohio) got threatened with a lawsuit.

Nick, I need to know why the forum got taken down. I mean, for example, our forum talks about "spics and ******s" all the time - that's because that's the way mob guys talk - they're on FBI tapes talking that way, and we end up discussing it. Is that going to get us kicked off???? I have no idea, because your answer of "For violation of terms of use" doesn't tell me anything. We discuss murders. Just about anything goes.

If you don't keep a record of these things and simply don't know why that forum got taken down, I would appreciate an honest response along the lines of "We don't know why that forum got taken down, we don't keep records".

Thanks in advance.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: October 16th, 2005, 5:27 pm

May 17th, 2006, 10:49 am #4

More to the point, could you please be specific, such as:

1) We got a letter from a lawyer.
2) It was because porn was being put up and the owner wasn't taking it down
3) It was because racist posts got put up
4) It was engaged in illegal activities
5) It used unauthoriseduser copyright materials
6) It involved a pyramid scheme
7) It involved guns
8) Other (please specify)

Thanks in advance.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: July 16th, 2003, 4:43 pm

May 17th, 2006, 4:23 pm #5

Hi forum administrators!

I run forum 446944. It is chatboard about anything to do with the mafia, or about other mafia chatboards (there is great competition amongst mafia chatboards). A forum very similar to mine, #407559, got taken down and it says:

"This Network54 forum has been disabled due to a breach of the Network54 User Agreement by the owner of this forum. Network54 does not allow forums that contain or contain links to nudity, sex, pornography, illegal activities, unauthorized use or distribution of copyrighted material(s) (including 'warez' boards), mail fraud and pyramid schemes, hatred and racism of any kind, guns or firearms, or any other material that may be deemed libelous or offensive to another individual or organization."

As I say, this forum was VERY similar to mine - in fact, I knew the owner (although I haven't been able to reach him) and used to have admin privileges there. For a while, he had problems from people who didn't like the site - they would post all sorts of hard-core pornographic pictures on the forum and then complain to Network54. Network54 would then send a warning to the owner of the board (that's how I was given admin privileges - to help police the board and take down the porn quickly (because the owner frequently would disappear for weeks at a time). So, I am wondering what caused the forum to get taken down - so that I can avoid the same thing happening to my forum, because they are basically the same, or at least, very similar.

If you want to email me, that is fine. In addition to my email account shown above, an account that I check more often is "authoriseduser545@yahoo.com" (not that is with an "S" and not a "Z"), so if you email me, if you could please copy that address as well.

Thanks in advance.
<P>Arturo,</P>
<P>Sorry, I cannot go into more detail. But, if you carefully read our terms of use and abide by them, your forum should be fine.</P>
<P>Regards,</P>

Nick
N54 Customer Support
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: February 20th, 2011, 2:30 pm

February 20th, 2011, 2:37 pm #6

Nick,

It's been almost five years, but we found out the real reason the forum got cancelled. It's got nothing to do with what you said. The person who did it told us that she sent you an email claiming that our forum was promoting "child prostitution" and "child sex trafficking" and "paedophilia". You, or somebody at Network54, believed it and just took the forum down. This happened about four or five times (we put up a new forum each time).

Anyway, I would have appreciated it if you had told me the truth back in 2006. The fact is, there was never a violation of the TOS. By the way, the woman that was able to take down our forum is a welfare case up in Hinton, Alberta - we found out she lives in a rundown trailer home and the Canadian gov't is trying to depart her for fraud (she is American). But you bought what she told you, hook, line and sinker.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: April 25th, 2002, 12:58 am

February 20th, 2011, 2:58 pm #7

<p>If your forum did not breach the terms of use, it would not have been closed. End of story. Network54 doesn't just randomly close forums for un-substantiated complaints. There must be proof, or the forum would still be there. The forum owners either allowed terms of use violations (and it's not only child porn that will get you shut down, a forum about the Mafia would almost certainly include posts that would breach the terms of use, simply for the subject matter at hand) or did not remove offending posts in a timely manner. Read the terms of use before spouting false accusations.</p><p>http://www.network54.com/Help/?topic=Terms</p><p>Here, in case you're too lazy to click. I see at least 2 in the list where a Mafia based forum would fail immediately, without a single post.</p><p></p><table width="560"><tr><td>8. PROHIBITED CONTENT. </td></tr><tr><td>It is Network54's function to operate as an Internet Service Provider, facilitating the free exchange of ideas, opinions, and information. However, Network54 prohibits content or links to content or Network54 Resources that contain(s): <p></p>
  • Nudity, sex, pornography, and/or excessive profanity. </li>
  • Adult services. Network54 may not be used to promote, store, or display information or data pertaining to or about escort services or paid companionship services of any sort. </li>
  • Material that violates or solicits the violation of any applicable local, state, national or international law. </li>
  • Viruses, hacking or other harmful computer software programs. </li>
  • Unauthorized use or distribution of copyrighted material(s). </li>
  • Warez boards, CD-keys, and serial numbers. </li>
  • Mail fraud and pyramid schemes. </li>
  • Hatred and racism of any kind. </li>
  • Violence, guns or firearms. </li>
  • Illegal gambling. </li>
  • Any other material that may be deemed by Network54 to be libelous or offensive to another individual or organization. In most instances, however, Network54 will require more than an unverified email or Support Forum post to substantiate such an allegation. </li>
  • Information that infringes upon privacy rights, such as specific addresses, phone numbers, Social Security numbers, or credit card numbers. </li>
  • Any content that is in violation of the terms provided by Network54's own Internet Service Provider. </li>
<p>Network54 reserves the right to remove any such content or Resource from the Network54 services at any time and at its sole discretion. It also within Network54's sole discretion to revoke a user's login/account for violation of the Prohibited Content guidelines or for no reason at all. If the user is a Premier or Select Network54 member and the login/account are revoked as result of a Terms of Use violation, the payment for any unused portion of Premier or Select services is nonrefundable. </p></td></tr></table> 



Ripper


Network54 Forum Tech Tips
Airbrush and Paint Tech Forums
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: February 20th, 2011, 2:30 pm

February 20th, 2011, 6:30 pm #8

She has admitted to the whole thing. That's how we know how it got taken down. We could never figure it out at the time. She worked at a two-bit lawyer in Hinton, Alberta, as his secretary. This lawyer has since been disbarred, by the way. Anyway, she sent emails to Network54 using the lawyer's email address etc and said that the site was a danger to children and that they would sue Network54 if it wasn't taken down. Network54 caved and took it down. Not just once - we had several forums (each time one got taken down, we put another one up - we must couldn't figure out why the were being taken down). Anyway, she has now admitted to the whole thing.
Quote
Like
Share

Joined: April 25th, 2002, 12:58 am

February 21st, 2011, 5:35 am #9

She may have, but that doesn't mean that was the case. Like I said above, there HAS TO BE PROOF. Network54 has faced lawyers before, I don't see them "caving" just because a lawyer sent them an e-mail.



Ripper


Network54 Forum Tech Tips
Airbrush and Paint Tech Forums
Quote
Like
Share


Confirmation of reply: